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Should "I Love Boobies" bracelets be banned from school?
Caldwell High School bans all students from wearing the "I <3 Boobies" bracelets because they are "inappropriate" and "shameful". I personally don't own one, but i don't see the issue with them. According to students they support breast cancer. Now the new punishment for students who where them is getting them cut off their wrists. Opinions?
I don't really think it's that big of an issue. It's pretty harmless, I think. Unless it becomes a huge distraction, then I think people are blowing this way out of proportion.
Well in my school the banned them too. Teachers say that most of the money doesnt go to breast cancer only a little bit of your money goes to help breast cancer. They said at my school that its a distraction.
The thing about the money was just an excuse for the teachers to be polite. The real reason they took them away from you in your school is because they understand that many of you (not necessarily you yourself) are obnoxious, perverted assholes who want to try carrying the word 'boobies' around with them in school.
Another example as to the atrocity that is the public school system. Not only are children forced to go, but they are forced to obey their rules on free speech... as dumb as "I love boobies" bracelets that are meant for breast cancer awareness.
I Love Boobies as well being that is a breast cancer awareness campaign, but they are awesome, they bounce and jiggle, what there is not to love about boobies. For the school to ban the bracelets is obviously big brother. People using power to enforce their ideals onto others.
Apparently, the farmer is one of those stiffs whom doesn't like boobies. Rihanna
I honestly don't see it as a problem. Yeah it is funny but it is not like it would distract children any longer than one minute. Unless, they are as young as 8 or immature. And im not saying it is wrong to be immature. :)
But if it is going to be banned, who cares. Wear the dang band after school. If this happened to me, yes, i wouldn't care.
Wearing a band do help the cause. It is like promoting the "help" of breast cancer. It can make someone happy and happiness is needed when you want to fight to live. If you donated and/or help someone to donate, then you are helping the cause. But if you didn't do either of the three, then you really aren't helping the cause.
That is why i mostly say that wearing the band doesn't neccessarily help the cause. Donating does and i feel like students feel like they are helping by just wearing the band.
cut off their wrists that is destruction of property, sue the school and press criminal charges against those that actually do the cutting. I would if a teacher or principle did it to my kid.
Also, while students have a more limited right to free speech with in schools, they still have it. You could have an argument there. It seems the school's claims about the bracelets are very subjective...
I don't understand why the school has to make a big deal of it. Me and my friends wear them all the time, we weren't thinking of it in an inappropriate way, we were thinking of it as raising awareness. No they shouldn't be banned, they're a way to raise awareness of the problem at hand. I think that's perfectly fine. It isn't us that are thinking inappropriate, it's the ones trying to ban it that are thinking inappropriately.
I don't see what's wrong with wearing a bracelet that promotes awareness of breast cancer. Even if not all the money goes to breast cancer, its message is at least spread out that it could find potential donors that do more than just see or buy the bracelet.
Schools are known for discouraging individualism and not allowing freedom of speech - so no they SHOULDN'T be banned from schools, but unfortunately they are allowed to ban them in schools :(
Of COURSE they're a distraction to teenage kids. Someone tried to capitalize on the rubber bracelet market and the people who wear them the most are teen boys. I have yet to see an adult professional, male or female, wearing one - and I live in a big city! Here's my thought - I have a 15 year old stepson whose mother allows him to wear it. He is an only child in their house. We have three young girls in our house, who we are trying to raise up to be aware of how much the world pressures girls to look sexy, act sexy, talk sexy ... and that in our family, we don't act like those girls. We want our girls to be strong from the inside out - not get their self-esteem from guys telling them how sexy they are - specifically, teen boys. ANYWAY, there is so much breast cancer awareness out there, it's hardly something most people aren't aware of. So I came up with a great marketing idea myself - how about, for prostate cancer awareness, I wear a bracelet that reads, 'I love penises'? Or 'I love balls'? Now if that caught on and my girls were allowed to wear them to school, what would they look like? As my husband says to his son, you have little sisters, and you need to show respect to the female body parts. He said he understands that he thinks it's cool, but if he really wants to do something about breast cancer, then we will complete a breast cancer walk, or something like that.
I think Those kind of bracelets should be banned from school and in place of those, School Authority should make mandatory to wear RFID wristbands for the safety of young ones as it will have practical use like authenticated check-in within school campus.
Supporting Evidence:
RFID wristbands
(wristbandsireland.com)
Let's get one this straight, maybe they're making a big deal out of this, but you people are making an even BIGGER deal out of this, you loons! Right, this is such a serious, heinous violation of constitutional rights! This country is coming to an end!
... Jebus Krist. What in the name of...
Look. I can guarantee you, if there are any teenage boys wearing an 'I Love Boobies' bracelet, they're lying if they tell you it's for breast cancer. It's a lie. They're obnoxious, perverted shits that are just saying it's for breast cancer when they're actually just being brats. Unless they have a close family member dying of breast cancer, the school has every right to punish them for acting so inappropriately as to wear that bracelet!
But if they're girls wearing the bracelet, or any student with someone they love dying of cancer, then of course it's stupid for them to cut it off their wrists. Otherwise, there is no reason an immature teenager should wear one.
Okay, so if a boy is wearing a bracelet, he's just a lying, immature teenager and should be ashamed (unless, of course, he knows someone dying of cancer), but if a girl is wearing one... it's okay.
So you're sexist.
We're making a big deal out of this because it's on the internet and we have ideals to put forth. The Public School system is a cartel that has to be dealed with eventually. Examples like this only help some of our sentiments. But I understand:
You don't care about Liberties.
Keep in mind, I only go to the insults because you have done the same (in attacking random teenagers you have never met before and attacking us for thinking that this is an injustice).
Alright, so if the boy is a homosexual, then yes, it's okay for him to wear one. If he's a heterosexual teenage boy, on the other hand, whom has nobody he loves dying of cancer, then yes, there is no reason the school shouldn't assume he's an obnoxious shit. I grew up in a normal public school when I was your age (since you imply in this argument that you're a teenager), and everyone who was popular and had a 'personality' was just a lying shit, and everyone who was strange was just a quiet automaton trying to not commit suicide or commit to a school shooting. Unless we take liberties away from children like we're supposed to, they grow up in terrible conditions where school life teaches them that being pretty or handsome and an obnoxious rebel makes them successful.
And for the record... if a girl is a homosexual, she might also be considered an obnoxious shit for wearing the bracelet, since teenage girls are not absent from being as perverted as teenage boys. Then again, the issue of breast cancer relates more to women then men, so the chances of a lesbian teenager being a pervert over it is dramatically less likely then a straight teenage boy being a pervert over it.
Yes, the public school is a cartel, I agree. When comparing it to drug cartels, it gives unwanted liberties to it's subjects. Just as a drug cartel makes it's dealers into monsters by giving them the resources to break the law, the public school system makes it's students into monsters by giving them the liberty to become egocentric bullies who are the cause for future racism, fascism, and hatred.
You're right, I don't care about liberties. I don't care about liberties that cause suffering. The world is better off with a perfect mixture of liberty and order. Too much liberty causes suffering because of people who exploit the freedom. Too much order causes suffering because of people who exploit the order. So in a way, you're right. I don't care about some forms of liberty, especially the liberty that allows children to ruin people's lives, including their own.
I don't really care if you attempt to insult me. I know what's true and I know what's not true about myself and my surroundings. Your 'insults' won't change that, boy.
Right, because homosexuals are harmless and heterosexuals are just sexual deviants...
And I'm not a teenager.
You're really just a very bitter person who can't understand the youth... I'm assuming. That this trend that started in getting people to be aware of breast cancer is just something for horny teenage boys to make fun of breast cancer... It's sad, really.
And who's life is being ruined by breast cancer awareness, exactly? I don't have AIDS and don't know anyone who has AIDS, yet I wear a wrist-band that has to do with AIDS awareness... do I have some kind of deviant plot behind my motivations?
Homosexual men has no chance of being obnoxious perverts about breast cancer awareness, and heterosexual women have almost no chance of being obnoxious perverts about breast cancer. So yes, homosexuals, in this case, are more harmless then heterosexuals.
And for the record, heterosexual teenage boys are deviants. I was once one you know, along with all of my male friends. We are not strangers to how we acted and felt in those days along with 90% of our classmates.
I don't particularly care.
I understand youth plenty. I've studied psychology enough to know that it forms a person's personality greatly, almost more then adulthood. Letting their primordial minds form into bullies and psychopaths by giving their egos huge freedom isn't a particularly good idea.
Why is it sad? Why is it so unbelievable to you that most teenage boys are immature hacks that mostly care about their sexuality and hobbies?
In relation to your last paragraph, I wasn't speaking of the actual beast cancer awareness. People's lives are ruined, on the other hand, when children are given free rein to become terrible adults... one example being a perverted, lying teenage boy's liberty to wear a bracelet with 'boobies' on it just so he can joke about it with his friends, perpetuating his immaturity and ignorance.
Of course you wouldn't have a deviant problem from wearing a bracelet about AIDS. Most men aren't automatically aroused when they think of AIDS. Anybody wearing and AIDS bracelet would have a good reason, unless they truly were a very very sick person on the inside.
So you've never heard homosexuals tell very explicit jokes about lady parts? Do you even have any gay friends?
And this really does come down to you making an assumption about someone who wears a breast cancer awareness bracelet JUST BECAUSE they do not fit a criteria that you would be okay with (not a straight male). Because, to you, heterosexual boys can not have a good intention on wearing a bracelet that is about breast cancer, so clearly they're just terrible adults who ruin people's lives.
I have gay friends. Telling jokes about lady parts does not mean it's for the purpose of inner arousal. If it was, they wouldn't homosexuals.
Why not make the assumption? It's not a big deal. If they really had good intentions, then they would be okay with just donating even if they don't receive a bracelet or have a bracelet cut from their wrists. Since that is such, there's no reason to not make the assumption when a smart, obnoxious teenage boy will just lie about his reasons for wearing it.
That's right. I can assume a heterosexual boy do not have good intentions about wearing a bracelet with the word 'boobies' on them all I want. To the people who really care, it won't matter to them if the bracelet is cut from their hands. The very fact that you support it not being cut from their hands means that you don't care about the donation and you only care about their rights to be immature brats.
There's nothing wrong with taking away people's rights if they're happy. Freedom is ideal because it's assumed by everyone that to get freedom only means liberation from oppression. What if law does not oppress? What is law, dare I say, does good things for you?
That's why I support law in an amount that protects people fully in conjunction with freedom in an amount that does not destroy society. Is that an evil thing to believe? Not at all. Unless you're a one-sided, brainwashed fool.
Well excuse me for not growing up long ago in a city where heterosexual teenage boys were intelligent, mature and respectful.
Once again, if they had good intentions, they would care only about the donation they made and wouldn't be upset with having the bracelet cut off as to root out the obnoxious people who cared more about being 'cool' then the actual donation.
The difference between black people and children is that children actually follow cultural stereotypes to the letter. Are you really about to argue that teenage boys are not disrespectful, immature and snotty?
I can admit that not all are, but the ones that aren't won't mind their wristbands being cut off if it means rooting out the ones that don't deserve to act like they support breast cancer awareness.
No act is unjust if it helps people. Denying black people of jobs because of their stereotypes hurts them as a people. Denying a possibly snotty teenager a joking point they can carry around with them at all times does not damage them as a person. In fact, it can even lightly contribute to making them grow the hell up faster.
Yes, I just said it: denying immature children of certain rights can help them.
Cutting off a teenage boy's wristband for likely acting like a brat serves the same purpose as grounding them for staying up past curfew possibly doing bad things.
So now "treat em like shit, they're not real citizens". After all, I'm sure the blacks build character through that (they were also considered not real citizens at a time, and that, for some reason, made people think they could treat them like shit. I'm sure they were as positive about it as you were, though... no mal intent).
Yup, pretty much. Children are not people. They're children. I don't mean, like your lack of tact implies (don't try and hide it, asshole), that we should treat them in an way that is not humanitarian, but we have every reason to deny them of a plethora of rights so that they are protected properly, so that they grow into adults that are even better adults then their parents.
I know it's probably hard for you to believe, but I actually have faith in the possibility that law and order doesn't necessarily destroy people's lives, and I actually understand the fact that too much freedom can turn some people into monsters. I know you like to act like that's a horrible thing for me to believe and therefore compare it to racism against American minorities, but unfortunately, this is a totally different ballpark in relation to that former issue. It's nothing like that, and it never will be because children are not like any other portion of human being.
You can't tell me it's sensible to treat a 4 year old and 14 year old and 18 year old with all the same rights. Two of those age groups shouldn't have certain rights for very important reasons, and I certainly hope you aren't so blind as to be unable to see that.
If the government is forcing these individuals to take part in something, than yes, they must allow them their rights.
If the parents had a say, I'd have a different opinion. But they don't, so I don't. Public sector isn't going to all of a sudden decide what is and isn't right for our kids to say.
What automatically makes you think that denying these children some rights is such a bad thing? Oppression is defined by harm. I don't see any harm in cutting off a bracelet.
Its harmful for our children to learn to respect the authorities too much, for them to feel powerless from a young age, for them to learn civic interaction in what is more or less a dictatorship, for their rights to be violated at a young age or any age, for them to learn that its ok for rights to be violated, etc. All that, leads to a plethora of problems obvious enough I shouldn't have to list them.
It's harmful for our children to learn to disrespect authorities too much, for them to feel like the boss from a young age, for them to learn civic interaction in what is more or less anarchy, for them to be given an exorbitant amount of rights at a young or any age, for them learn that it's wrong to trust the law, etc. All that leads to a plethora of problems obvious enough that I shouldn't have to list them.
It is bad when people don't respect heir authorities, because the authorities are failures then.
Children need guidance, and a boss gives it. However, there is a difference between guidance and treachery.
Depends on what you mean by anarchy :)
what would constitute an exorbitant amount of rights?
No one should trust the law, especially children. The law isn't made by them, its made more for parents and industry then for them, etc. In general, the hand that holds you down; isn't a hand you should hold.
Ideally they should, because ideally they shouldn't be authorities without having already earned respect in somebody's eyes.
It is bad when authorities are 'failures' just because people are obnoxious and distrustful of people that they gave authorities in the first place.
Exactly, which is why children should never be the boss anything they haven't been gifted with until they are legally adults.
Anarchy as in complete chaos and freedom without any order whatsoever... which is exactly what anarchy is.
Do I really need to list as many as I can? Because I frankly shouldn't have to.
This is where you look so crazy I'd almost think you were stupid. Have you ever considered the possibility that laws hold you down so you don't trip and fall on the scissors you decided to run around with?
Freedom is not essential to happiness; safety, love, accommodations, and physical needs are. Whether or not your accommodations include a set amount of freedom should be up to the amount of happiness you receive from all the other factors. If you think a lack of freedom from the government is what stops people from being happy with their lives, you'd be mistaken. Unless you're a homosexual, the government works very hard as a while to make you equal to everyone else. Sometimes it makes mistakes because it is comprised of a group of human beings, but it's idiotic to assume that they don't give a shit about the people that they have to stand on the shoulders of to be at the top of the human pyramid.
not all boys are being immature about the whole bracelet thing thats nothing but an assumption. as far as the bracelet being a "distraction" i don't see how. its just a bracelet that says i love boobies but also underneath it the bracelet explains the breast care awareness. you don't have to know anybody in particular with breast cancer to be able to wear the bracelet. there are plenty of people who show their support for it that don't have it or know anyone with it. and lets say it is wrong and a big deal for students to wear them, that doesn't mean the school faculty has the right to cut your bracelet off. they can ask you to take it off and if you refuse punish you in some type of way. i mean how would you feel if something of yours was just cut off of you bc somebody else thought it was inappropriate? its not a big deal but the school and students make it a big deal. when you tell a teenager not to do something or that they cant do something that they want to do, most teenagers do it anyway bc they feel you're taking their freedom and their say so in their life.
Students should be able to wear t-shirts with kitten's heads being squished by a topless porn star if they wanted to.
It might be bad taste, but it doesn't violate any other rights of other people.
"distractions" are subjective, and most exists because people allow them to be; a policy which allowed almost anything would quickly find itself desensitized to many "distractions".
Right, because it's a good thing to be desensitized to all violence, sex, humor, and shock. That's exactly what the solution is. We should totally let children have the ability to do and say whatever the hell they please no matter the circumstances. I'm sure it'll turn out great.
I don't support mass desensitization, but the debate's not primarily calling for that, is it? It's not helping anyone when you shelter kids, and fully expect them to behave inappropriately because they're 'only children'. You want them to grow up? Treat them like a grown up. Give them the same rights as adults, but that also means the same expectations. Show the kids that words are nothing without a reaction, and if you don't give them a reaction, they'll learn and get over it.
Did I ever say you were supposed to shelter children? That's just as much child worship as is giving them all the rights they want. It's crazy and inappropriate to helping them grow.
The entire point of my entire argument is that you people need to stop being so uptight about the school being offended by the possibility that their students are being obnoxious pricks and stop preaching about how this is such a heinous violation of humanitarian rights.
Seriously...
It's a wrist band...
If the child was mature and cared more about supporting breast cancer awareness with their donation, then they wouldn't give two shits of the bracelet was cut from their wrists! If they care only about the wrist band, then the school has every reason to assume they're brats.
Giving children as many rights as an adult is not going to ensure that they grow up. Nor will them growing up will be ensured by treating them like an infant until the day they turn 18. The only logical choice is a balance!
That's why you people are crazy for freaking out so much over this irrelevant shit! Jesus. This is not even mentionable in comparison to, oh I don't know, that woman on Saudi Arabia who got whipped 10 times recently for attempting to drive a car.
It doesn't matter if they are in for cancer support or for the humor, you cannot cut a bracelet off any student, or off anyone. This has been pretty well discussed in other arguments. And one well has the right to be upset if it happens.
And no, it will not ensure that kids grow up, it doesn't even guarantee that adults grow up. But it's a better start than assuming that all teenagers (sorry, NOT THE HOMOSEXUAL ONES, apparently) are wearing the bracelet for their own amusement.
... and one well has the right to be upset if it happens.
This is where your argument doesn't make sense. If somebody cannot cut a wristband off a student, why would you have logic that covers the possibility of it being cut off? That's illogical, considering you just said the wristband cannot be cut off.
But it's a better start than assuming that all teenagers...
I didn't assume that all teenagers were doing anything. Maybe the school was, which was wrong, but the school can't tape their student's mouths shut. All a student has to do is explain that they aren't wearing the wristband for immature purposes. It's up to the teachers to determine whether or not the student in question is lying or not.
And for the record, a homosexual teenager does nothing as serious and immature as mock breast cancer awareness for their own amusement, considering almost all homosexual teenagers are miserable because of societal restraints choking their inborn nature to death...
It's damage of personal property. A school may have legislation to remove a bracelet, but not to cut it. It's not like it's the only choice either; if the student refuses, they can be given detention or suspension.
*cannot as in it's emphatically wrong. Sorry, it was a poor word choice.
I left our discussion about homosexuals because I realised that I couldn't talk for them. So I asked my (gay) friend about it and he said it was no more repressive than what he feels as a Filipino, or as an academic at school. And that being gay didn't stop you from having the same fun as other teenagers.
Wearing the bracelets would not have been amusement at the word boobies, like some Freudian psycho-logic, but that they were annoying the school because it was a legit cause. Being homosexual wouldn't stop them because it was less a matter of the boobs but pushing the school to it's limit.
And you wouldn't stand for someone to break your stuff, even if it was free. My school asks us to restrict accessories to those of religion and current events being held. If theirs was the same, wearing the bracelet should not have been punishable. (Only talking about the actual bracelet and not any distracted behaviour, of course.)
Being desensitized to depictions of violence, sex, etc is different then being desensitized to the actual thing.
Allowing them to do and say whatever the hell they please when the consequences would be better than otherwise would turn out great... by definition eh?
