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As long as we have religions we'll have wars. Yes, Islam needs to reform more than most, apparently. I am not well informed about Islam but it seems to be stuck in the Dark Ages more than some. The three Abrahamic religions will NEVER see eye to eye, never have peace between them. A shame. Time to turn to science/ drop the wars of mythology!
Most wars and almost all genocides of one's own people have been started by people who mocked religion. Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao's atheism didn't seem to be the magic cure to your scenario. As a matter of fact, it seemed to escalate the problem. I know you have a very strong cognitive dissonance, but that doesn't change reality or facts.
It's when one gets anxiety that results from simultaneously holding contradictory or otherwise incompatible attitudes, beliefs, or the like, as when one likes a person but disapproves strongly of one of his or her habits. I've notice a lot of things about you too, but alas, I try to not pick on the kids that are wearing the helmets.
People will always find reasons to rage wars and religion is one of the least cited reasons for conflict.
However, whilst Christianity preaches a peace which it has never achieved, Islam comes unashamedly with sword in hand preaching a doctrine of intolerance and contempt for all non-believers, the infidels.
Yes, Islam needs to at least find a way of rewording some of the more aggressive passages of it's scriptures.
I tried to read the bible once.. But, I couldn't get past all the smiting going on.. Maybe you Christians should temper that BEFORE you call for other religions to temper theirs..
Why did you not make reference to, or comparisons with, the other popular faiths?
Who said I was a Christian?
As it happens I am not.
If you or anyone else raises a topic on a specific religion and I feel motivated to express my opinion I will do so, but I shall restrict my comments to the specified religious denomination.
The only place where this topic could have been interpreted as the pot calling the kettle black was inside your unsound and prejudiced mind.
By your shallow and superficial reply you have unsuccessfully tried to side step my perfectly reasonable questions.
How do you know the debate creator is Christian?
If he is not then he is neither a pot nor a kettle, to use your terminology.
How do you know, or why did you assume that he was not of any of the other non Christian religious persuasions?
How do you know that he is not an atheist?
Like all bigots you are unable to control your outbursts of hatred for anyone or anything which you perceive as being alien, and therefore a threat to your own beliefs.
By doing so you have tainted any opinion you may express in future and all past viewpoints with the poison of bigoted religious and racial discrimination.
ANYTHING WHICH YOU MAY STATE FROM HERE ON IN MUST, AND WILL BE TAKEN WITH AN ENORMOUS DOZE OF SALTS.
Why did you automatically and without due consideration attribute to him all the things which you claim he must have been thinking?
I ask again, why have you side stepped my original questions?
Are you not man enough to admit that you were wrong to jump to such conclusions?
Can you not see that you have paralysed your powers of rational thought and reason with your all-consuming engrossment in racism and underlying hatred for all white people?
Go and take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself a few pertinent and searching questions about your own deep seated racial attitudes.
Please don't bother to provide answers any of my questions as I'm certain I already know the answers.
Yes. God should use his beam of light to write an update to it. And one of the martyrs should come back long enough to say the 77 virgins are ugly and smell like old fish.
Meanwhile he also should update the Bible, and he should state that it literally is not to be taken literally. For proof he'll have it written down through a legless Cherokee veteran with a robotic arm. People will get the hint very quickly that you have to take it with a big grain of salt.
Firstly, the practice of Islam is based upon the Quran which is a sacred book, so you can't just change what's in it and expect people to follow the new rules you have set for them. Hence it doesn't seem possible to reform Islam, it's just absurd.
Secondly, I think the fact that people are abusing Islam has not much to do with the religion itself, but rather with the people themselves, who need something to legitimate their beliefs and who are given the opportunity to use a religion to rebel against society and let out their anger.
Therefore, I think reforming Islam to stop the abuse is not the solution, because the main values of Islam-or of any other religion-have nothing to do with the awful things that people are doing in its name.
Firstly, the practice of Islam is based upon the Quran which is a sacred book, so you can't just change what's in it and expect people to follow the new rules you have set for them. Hence it doesn't seem possible to reform Islam, it's just absurd.
If that were true then Christians would still be burning witches and murdering Muslims. Oh wait.... They are still doing that. You're right. Reform is not possible. However, why do both you and the OP seem to believe it is only Islam which needs to reform? The damage done (and being done) by the other two predominant monotheistic religions is acceptable, is it? We should pretend that Islam rather than religion is the problem? And why? Because it suits the powerful Christian and Jewish hypocrites in America is why.
CHICAGO -- A Chicago-area family was mourning the loss of eight relatives killed in Egypt when masked militants fatally shot at least 28 people and wounded 25 others on a bus filled with Coptic Christians Friday, CBS Chicago reports.
Mohsen Morkous, an American citizen, was killed in the attack. His wife, Samia Ibrahim, also was shot but survived and was recovering Sunday in Egypt.
Family members in the Chicago area were left trying to make sense of it all.
At the St. George Coptic Orthodox Church in Monee, Illinois, Gerges Morkous turned to his Christian faith for strength after eight of his relatives were killed.
The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has claimed responsibility for the murders.
Christians are murdering Muslims ? Now that is a new line of insanity
It's a fact.
Christian militias in Central African Republic 'burnt witches at stake', says UN report
The militias, who have fought a vicious sectarian war against local Muslims, kidnapped people they accused of witchcraft, tied them to stakes and then burnt them alive, the report disclosed.
Once again Outlaw, the loony left Muslim terrorist sympathizers never let the truth influence their vicious anti-Christian propaganda.
The leftists on this site are dedicated to the promotion of anti-American feelings and stirring up anti Christian hysteria while promoting the cause for Muslim terrorists.
I trust the appropriate home security agencies are taking note, but in the meantime it's important that all pro-American patriots confront ''the enemy within'' with fortitude, stamina and tenacity.
I didn't say that Islam was the problem. On the contrary. I said people were the problem, and religion has nothing to do with the fact that there are people out there looking for recognition and ways to gain it, because they are troubled and feel rejected by society. And nowadays, they find that claiming they're muslims gives them a legitimate excuse to act upon their beliefs and start killing people.
I disagree. Just because you didn't spell it out phonetically doesn't mean you didn't say it. The only thing which lets you off the hook is that the debate itself is about only Islam. Hence, it's the OP's fault for raising such a biased question in the first place.
religion has nothing to do with the fact that there are people out there looking for recognition and ways to gain it, because they are troubled and feel rejected by society
I agree with you, but religion is a channel for that aggression. It is like boxing, only in many cases a lot more harmful.
And nowadays, they find that claiming they're muslims gives them a legitimate excuse to act upon their beliefs and start killing people.
But this statement assumes (or at least appears to assume) that Muslim beliefs consist predominantly of wanting to kill people. That simply isn't the case. It isn't the case with Christianity and it isn't the case with Islam either. The scripture of all three major monotheistic religions can be used as a legitimisation of violence, but the point is that, these days, it usually isn't. This brings me neatly to the final point, which is that in developed societies all of these religions function mostly without violence. In non-developed countries all of these religions are used to promote violence and death. Hence, the common denominator is not Islam, it is international development.
But this statement assumes (or at least appears to assume) that Muslim beliefs consist predominantly of wanting to kill people.
No. This statement assumes that disturbed people are turning Islam into a violent religion that gives them the right to kill people. But that doesn't mean Muslim beliefs consist in wanting to kill people, they're just used as an excuse.
in developed societies all of these religions function mostly without violence. In non-developed countries all of these religions are used to promote violence and death. Hence, the common denominator is not Islam, it is international development.
I don't understand how international development has anything to do with people's religious beliefs and the psychological problems that lead them to committing crimes. Most developed countries nowadays are secular, meaning that the exercise of religion is not influenced by the country's policies. People believe what they want to believe, and if they are troubled enough to use religion to justify killings and death, they'll do it regardless of the level of development of their country. In fact, there are French people who go on to become djihadists just like, say, their Moroccan counterparts. There are people who can be influenced by this kind of indoctrination in every country, no matter how developed it is.
The damage done (and being done) by the other two predominant monotheistic religions is acceptable, is it?
These faiths aren't gathering up Muslims and slaughtering them like animals in mass. Muslims ARE gathering up minorities in their countries and have slaughtered millions in this decade, including Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and Gays.
These faiths aren't gathering up Muslims and slaughtering them like animals
Yes they are, you lying idiot. Non-developed countries have precisely the same problems with Christianity that they do with Islam.
Christian militias in Central African Republic 'burnt witches at stake', says UN report
The militias, who have fought a vicious sectarian war against local Muslims, kidnapped people they accused of witchcraft, tied them to stakes and then burnt them alive, the report disclosed.
The problem isn't Islam. The problem is that you are a lying neo-Nazi moron who excludes all violence from his vision which isn't committed by Muslims, and then claims it proves Muslims are the problem. You do exactly the same thing with blacks, because you're a bigoted neo-Nazi nitwit who lies faster and more frequently than a machine gun spits bullets.
No it isn't you nonsensical retard. Nobody, I repeat, nobody has ever killed anybody "in the name of no God."
Oh good. The Crusades weren't done in the name of God. We have no tape of the Crusaders telling anyone who's name they did anything in if any. See how that works? You're a little clown.
Josef Stalin’s “very religious” mother named him after St. Joseph, and wanted him to become a priest. Stalin himself supposedly claimed that his father had been a priest, and he was purportedly “damaged by violence” while being “raised in a poor priest-ridden household.” As a youth, Stalin spent five years in a Greek Orthodox seminary, after which he purportedly renounced his religion. In his later years, Stalin apparently embraced Christianity once more. As Stalin biographer Edvard Radinsky remarks, “During his mysterious retreat [of June 1941] the ex-seminarist had decided to involve the aid of the God he had rejected.” Radinsky likewise chronicles a number of religious comrades in Stalin’s immediate circle. It is evident that, whether for good or bad, religion played a significant role in Stalin’s life.
In fact, not only are you lying, but you are pretending that, if a mass murderer happens to be an atheist, he must therefore be a mass murderer because he is an atheist. It's retard logic. Same as usual. Please quote where you think the atheist no God has ever commanded one human to kill another, you utterly backward clown.
Josef Stalin’s “very religious” mother named him after St. Joseph, and wanted him to become a priest. Stalin himself supposedly claimed that his father had been a priest, and he was purportedly “damaged by violence” while being “raised in a poor priest-ridden household.” As a youth, Stalin spent five years in a Greek Orthodox seminary, after which he purportedly renounced his religion. In his later years, Stalin apparently embraced Christianity once more. As Stalin biographer Edvard Radinsky remarks, “During his mysterious retreat [of June 1941] the ex-seminarist had decided to involve the aid of the God he had rejected.” Radinsky likewise chronicles a number of religious comrades in Stalin’s immediate circle. It is evident that, whether for good or bad, religion played a significant role in Stalin’s life.
And then he grew into a grown ass adult and was... an Atheist. God I'm tired of being right. Of course, I didn't grow up in the British cult education system.
In fact, not only are you lying, but you are pretending that, if a mass murderer happens to be an atheist, he must therefore be a mass murderer because he is an atheist
You're lying again Quantum. You are pretending that, if a mass murderer happens to be a Christian, he must therefore be a mass murderer because he is a Christian.
And why? Because it suits the powerful Christian and Jewish hypocrites in America is why.
Christianity started in your part of the world. Israel is not in America. Europe is predominantly Christian. Most Jews do not live in America. Poland is over 90% Christian. Guess what their stance is on the religion of the psychopath named Muahammed... It's really a good thing that you met me. You needed to be taken to school to learn, so I took you to there.
I don't care where Christianity started. I wasn't talking about where Christianity started.
Israel is not in America
Thanks Sherlock. Did I say it was? Oh no wait, you're using straw man argumentation again aren't you? Misrepresenting what other people say so that it becomes easier to attack.
Most Jews do not live in America.
I've gone three sentences deep into your shitpost now, and none of them have countered, or even addressed the point you quoted. It suits the powerful Christians and Jews who run America that Islam rather than religion is attacked, for obvious reasons.
Thanks Sherlock. Did I say it was? Oh no wait, you're using straw man argumentation again aren't you? Misrepresenting what other people say so that it becomes easier to attack.
No. I showed that America is not the capital of Jews, nor is it some magical Zionist entity. Most Jews in America are liberals you ignorant twat.
It suits the powerful Christians and Jews who run America that Islam rather than religion is attacked, for obvious reasons.
Islam isn't real popular with Christians because they are commanded in the Quran to kill every last one of us by name. They are literally looking for the Mahdi and the final caliphate. In their version of the apocalypse, they kill every last Christian on the planet. We didn't choose their religion and beliefs for them. They did.
Most Jews in America are Liberals. You have proven your ignorance yet again. How many times have I proven you dead wrong now? 100? More? Probably more. Why? Because you don't even have the slightest clue about what the hell you are talking about on any subject. You're an uneducated pleb. Of course, I love plebs. You are what I eat for dinner every night.
Islam isn't real popular with Christians because they are commanded in the Quran to kill every last one of us by name.
And you are commanded by your own Holy Book to kill every one of them. You are such a galactically stupid hypocrite that even this becomes a matter of debate with you. You are spreading vile hate speech about Muslims, while simultaneously you deny that your own Holy Book tells you to do so. You're an idiot. Plain and simple.
Okay. Show us any single verse in the Bible that says to kill Muslims. I'll wait.
You are ordered to kill the entire town if one person living in it is discovered to worship another God, you spectacularly stupid buffoon of death.
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
You are ordered to kill the entire town if one person living in it is discovered to worship another God, you spectacularly stupid buffoon of death.
Not in the Christian New Testament and not about Muslims.
1)We aren't Jews, nor do we practice Judaism.
2)You claimed we are commanded to kill Muslims. So find us THAT verse.
3)It's not Jews or Christians waging jihad on the West.
4)Islam has no Jesus, nor does it have a New Testament. It has Muhammed. Muhammed was a psychopath who claimed to be demon possessed and married 6 year old Aisha, the mother of his children.
Okay. Show us any single verse in the Bible that says to kill Muslims. I'll wait.
Or I said this ver batum, of which you still cannot provide the verse. So go ahead. You claimed the Bible says to kill Muslims. So provide us that verse. Man you are getting torn a new hole in this debate. This is getting ugly. You might wanna go get your mom and come back.
Reform to stop people abusing it ? Who is abusing it ?
Members of ISIS and other such hard line followers of Islam are actually following the direct teachings of Islam as written , people such as this are not abusing Islam but are followers of what the hate filled Quran commands them to do in Allahs name .
It should be recognized that the cockeyed, irrational blustering from the anti American, pro Muslim terrorism communist is nothing more than futile wishful thinking.
Note of caution there Abdul;- 'you should be careful what you wish for', as in the most unlikely and undesirable event of a Muslim vs West confrontation the head hacking back shooting Muslims would be annihilated on their homeground and, along with their fleas and clanging pots and pans expelled from the western nations which they currently infest.
The only reason we aren't dead is that we created the nukes and got the technology first. Without them or if they ever get them, we ARE all going to be dead.
I agree. America has defended itself and has survived by doing what it took to survive.
I have noticed that the polluting and contaminating of the environment is one of the main ways that America survives.
America, who has defended and is still defending herself today - it is following / after WW ll - 70 years later we are still forced to contaminate, pollute, smog and filthy up the environment - to continue on to fight endless continual wars against the ALLIANCES of communism, socialism and Islam today.
This war is not only physical - but even an economical and a political and even a financial war today.
THE FACT IS - we needed to pollute, we needed to contaminate and be destructive to the environment just for us and our allies to survive, endure and go on with our daily lives and continue to exist and stay alive - and our pollution and contamination output and harming of the air, water, soil and environment was the only way that we can possibly keep up with the oncoming attacks
and the only choice we have in winning these wars and surviving.
This was and is a matter of survival - as Germany, Italy and Japan mass produced their weapons and powered up their economy - with polluting and contaminating factories, industrial plants and factories and industries to produce their weapons, in order to attack and wage a bloodbath and exterminate and butcher and murder their neighbors.
This was just 70 years ago - that - The United States - American people were forced into also producing their weapons and economy and energy in order to defend ourselves and survive and protect all of our European and global allies. AND THIS WAS NECESSARTY AND AN EMERGENCY AND A MUST
that we - pollute and , that we contaminate and destroy the environment and mass produce factories, industrial plants and factories and industries to produce the economy and the weapons and tools and weapons technology and the materials .
We did not start the war and we have been defending and fighting the civil wars of our allies in Korea, and Vietnam – defending The countless arising Muslim governments in civil wars.
And defending ourselves - { I personally say, for myself } don’t You ever allow - the demented, perverted and political prostitutes of Democrat party of socalism - or Popes and Liberal Socialist who are Ignorant liars - to make You feel bad for working hard and maintaining Your economy and for being industrially equipped and economically and fanatically and ready - and prepared …..
The fact is - the more we pollute - the more we wreck the environment - the more poison and contaminants and pollution, toxic waste, greenhouse gasses, smog, fumes and litter and garbage and trash that we pump into the environment - The more American lives we save and the more we have of a chance to survive and continue our lives. The better the economy - the better the military - and the better we are at standing up equipped and prepared and ready economically - against an attack as our enemies are lying in wait for an opportunity to strike again.