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Should Parents or Fast-Food Restaurants Be Blamed For Growth in Obesity


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Parents who allow their children to become obese through eating fast food rubbish are guilty of child abuse , restaurants do not force these pathetic parents in and make them stuff their children with their junk , if your child is obese through bad diet and overeating you’re abusing your own child

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marcusmoon(586) Disputed
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Hello, Dermot.

Parents who allow their children to become obese through eating fast food rubbish are guilty of child abuse , restaurants do not force these pathetic parents in and make them stuff their children with their junk , if your child is obese through bad diet and overeating you’re abusing your own child

Despite the involvement of parents, I think you are missing the core of the problem.

...fast food rubbish...

There is nothing nutritionally wrong with hamburgers, potatoes, and dairy products, whether they are cooked at home or in a fast food restaurant.

Think about the nutritional elements in fast food. Fast food tends to be high fat, high carb, and, particularly in the case of burgers, high protein. If people were lacking appropriate nutrition due to eating fast food, we would see nutrient-related health issues like rickets and scurvy in addition to obesity. We don't.

Don't forget, the original purpose of calorie monitoring in the US was to help people make sure they were getting enough calories.

Calorie intake is not really the core of the problem, nor is nutrition.

...if your child is obese through bad diet...

Diet is not the primary cause of obesity.

If diet were the primary cause of obesity, then obesity rates would not have been so much lower in the decades before the 1980's, particularly in the 1950's and 1960's when the nutritional base of home-cooked diets closely mirrored a fast food restaurant menu (high carb, high protein, high fat.)

True, the home-cooked diet was higher in fiber, vitamins, and minerals due to more vegetables, but as I said, we don't see youth health problems related to vitamin and mineral deficits.

What changed in the past decades is how much time kids spend outside running around, and more importantly, how much time kids spend inside sitting down.

Doing enough to use the calories in fast food is the problem.

Living a sedentary lifestyle is the problem.

Televisions, computers, and video games are probably the major part of the problem. These are the main differences for kids since the 1950's, and became particularly more central to childhood in the 1980's with the advent and increasing access to home video games, and have become and increasingly so since then.

Two decades ago I read a study that showed that obesity in kids 9-12 (if memory serves) has a higher correlation with the number of hours per day) spent watching television than any other identified factor, even more than how often they were active enough to be out of breath for 20 minutes or more.

...you’re abusing your own child

First, what you mean is neglect.

None of this is active effort directed at hurting a child.

Second, I think you are overstating the point.

When I worked for Child Protective Services, I saw real abuse. Kids eating burgers and fries and sitting down more than is good for them is a far cry from bruises, broken bones, pedophilia, and being locked in closets.

I can understand if you think it is irresponsible when parents let their kids spend more than an hour or two watching TV, being on computers, and playing video games.

I can understand if you think it is poor parenting when parents don't kick their kids out of the house by telling them to "go outside and play!"

I can even understand thinking that leaning on fast food instead of making hamburgers (or something else) at home is lazy parenting.

However, over-reacting is silly.

What do you think the solution should be if we classify this as abuse?

Have child welfare agencies take custody of half the children in the West and raise them all in combination orphanage-fat farms?

Side: No
Dermot(5796) Disputed
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Despite the involvement of parents, I think you are missing the core of the problem.

I’ve actually addressed the core of the problem as in bad parenting

...fast food rubbish

There is nothing nutritionally wrong with hamburgers, potatoes, and dairy products, whether they are cooked at home or in a fast food restaurant.

I’m afraid nutritionists as do I totally disagree with your assessment.

Junk food doesn't contain the nutrients your body needs to stay healthy. As a result, you may feel chronically fatigued and lack the energy you need to complete daily tasks. The high levels of sugar in junk food puts your metabolism under stress; when you eat refined sugar, your pancreas secretes high amounts of insulin to prevent a dangerous spike in blood sugar levels.

Because fast food and junk food don't contain adequate amounts of protein and good carbohydrates, your blood sugar levels will drop suddenly after eating, leaving you feeling grumpy, fatigued and craving sugar.

Also obese children are being stuffed by parents too lazy to care

If people were lacking appropriate nutrition due to eating fast food, we would see nutrient-related health issues like rickets and scurvy in addition to obesity. We don't.

But we do see nutrient related health issues with obesity , we see diabetes , circulation problems , heart conditions and numerous other conditions all over poor diet from fast foods and sodas

Calorie intake is not really the core of the problem, nor is nutrition.

I disagree

Diet is not the primary cause of obesity.

It certainly is

If diet were the primary cause of obesity, then obesity rates would not have been so much lower in the decades before the 1980's, particularly in the 1950's and 1960's when the nutritional base of home-cooked diets closely mirrored a fast food restaurant menu (high carb, high protein, high fat.)

True, the home-cooked diet was higher in fiber, vitamins, and minerals due to more vegetables, but as I said, we don't see youth health problems related to vitamin and mineral deficits.

What changed in the past decades is how much time kids spend outside running around, and more importantly, how much time kids spend inside sitting down.

You’re from a culture awash in fast food , in my country as a child obesity was rare , class photos clearly demonstrate that an obese child was a rarity and normally not diet related , growing up in my country as child fast food was practically non existent , now our country is also awash with it and the results are seen everywhere

Approximately 10 percent of U.S. adults were classified as obese during the 1950s. In 2011 to 2012, however, the CDC reported approximately 35 percent of U.S. adults were obese; the prevalence of obesity among American adults has more than tripled within the last six decades.

National surveys of childhood obesity weren't recorded before 1963; however, the rate of childhood obesity in the U.S. began to rise in the 1980s. In 1980, 7 percent of children ages 6 to 11 were obese; in 2012, the rate was nearly 18 percent. In adolescents –12 to 19 years of age– the increase in obesity rates was more striking, climbing from 5 to 21 percent during the same period.

The average restaurant meal is four times larger than it was in the 1950s. Similarly, the size of American-manufactured dinner plates has increased nearly 23 percent, from 9.6 inches to 11.8 inches, since 1900. A study published in a 2012 issue of the Journal of Consumer Research describes the subconscious bias to consume more food when served on larger dinner plates. These larger portions at restaurants and at home, increased added sugars; uneducated parents are stuffing their kids to obesity

Living a sedentary lifestyle is the problem.

Really , yet pensioners over here and I’m sure in your country who excercise very little and eat healthily are not obese why’s that ?

Televisions, computers, and video games are probably the major part of the problem.

So not fast foods ,sodas , candies and poor diet ?

Two decades ago I read a study that showed that obesity in kids 9-12 (if memory serves) has a higher correlation with the number of hours per day) spent watching television than any other identified factor, even more than how often they were active enough to be out of breath for 20 minutes or more.

Oddly enough I’ve read several reports stating fast food was the biggest culprit in obesity levels being so high

First, what you mean is neglect.

No , I mean abuse , why do you tell me what I mean ?

None of this is active effort directed at hurting a child.

Yet parents see what it’s doing and carry on either way , what’s that an act of love ?

How come if you starve a child it’s abuse but if you stuff a child so it’s health is damaged it’s not ?

Second, I think you are overstating the point.

I disagree, my neighbor is a surgeon and has seen the appalling effects of abuse of fast foods on children

When I worked for Child Protective Services, I saw real abuse.

Real abuse , oh right a child with a heart condition throug being stuffed with crap has not been abused ?

Kids eating burgers and fries and sitting down more than is good for them is a far cry from bruises, broken bones, pedophilia, and being locked in closets.

Kids not being able to walk , having breathing and heart problems are just as badly off as any of the above

I can understand if you think it is irresponsible when parents let their kids spend more than an hour or two watching TV, being on computers, and playing video games.

I can understand if you think it is poor parenting when parents don't kick their kids out of the house by telling them to "go outside and play!"

I can even understand thinking that leaning on fast food instead of making hamburgers (or something else) at home is lazy parenting.

However, over-reacting is silly.

I’m not over reacting and you now resort to calling my opinion on the matter “silly” this seems to be a typical reaction in my last few encounters with you

What do you think the solution should be if we classify this as abuse?

Parents should be held responsible for the welfare of their kids

Have child welfare agencies take custody of half the children in the West and raise them all in combination orphanage-fat farms?

So half the children in the West are clinically obese now ?

If you’re such a pathetic parent that you destroy your own children they should be put into state care and the stupid parents re -educated , what do you suggest just bury your head in the sand and say “well it’s only neglect nothing to worry about let’s just all carry on “

Side: Yes

Both are equally responsible...............................................

Side: Yes
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The majority blame lies with the parents. Sometimes it's so much easier when one is tired from a hard days work to just pop by and pick up some fast food but ultimately it's their choice. Restaurants are simply providing a service, if you take part in that it's your choice.

Side: Yes
1 point

I'd say mostly parents, they set the tone for the future. However, I do believe resturaunts should also give healthier options

Side: Yes
1 point

High government subsidy for corn farmers leads to an overabundance of corn syrup that leads to companies buying it on the cheap and using it as a calorie buffer in everything they sell, which leads to increased addiction to sugar among consumers and a greater desire for sweetened goods, which leads to ill health among consumers, which leads to profits for big pharma, all of which increases the stock value of corporations and makes America's balance sheet look healthier to the rest of the world.

Malignant consumerism is the new Constitution.

Brainwashed parents are the least concerning aspect of this.

Side: Yes

Parents for sure..............................................................................

Side: Yes
1 point

Hello a:

Parents who CHOOSE to feed their children fast food ARE not good parents.. However, many hard working POOR family's feed their children fast food because they're working all the time, and they probably live in a food desert.

excon

Side: No