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Debate Score:57
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Should Representative Weiner resign?

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Side Score: 21
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Side Score: 36

Representative Weiner takes full responsibility, yet he will not resign.

This is an typical response of a politician to a scandal where the suspect admits to the scandal, yet he will not resign because his constituents are counting on him.

Side: yes
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

yet he will not resign because his constituents are counting on him

His constituents are the ones who elected him. If his constituents are "counting on him" I fail to see how this is a reason for him to resign. Maybe you're confused what a representative's job is. Their job is to represent constituents. If constituents are happy with how they are represented why should you care what he or she does in private?

Side: No
ThePyg(6736) Disputed
1 point

Well, I am one of the people saying that resignation should be solely up to him, but this is more than just privacy. He put pics up on the net and, when he was questioned about it, not only did he lie, he attacked the people questioning him.

The people who are upset with Weiner are completely justified. The man was being a scumbag towards the public. My issue is that if the electorate still wants him, there's no reason for him to resign (unless he personally wishes to).

Side: yes
1 point

Maybe you're confused what a representative's job is. Their job is to represent constituents.

Really, dipshit! Is that how it works? Thanks Professor davidh

You're right, I don't care what he does in private, I am all for privacy, but when you send pictures over the internet, which now makes them public, and when someone calls him out on the pictures, and deny and lie about those pictures with attacking those accusing him, that is disgraceful and he should choose to step down like John Ensign.

Side: yes
1 point

He has disgraced his position as a member of congress and as such should have the grace to resign his position.

I must add that I wonder if any of the 'young women' that he 'chatted' with were under-age...

Side: yes
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

>< I think it is pretty apparent he was not going after underage girls. Kind of a silly innuendo there but hey, there's always something new and awful for republicans to stay awake and scared about.

At least we know they were all female. He is a dem after all and not one of those "Christian Conservative" family-value in the closet head-cases, so no little boys or anything.

Side: No

He has humiliated his wife and his district and himself, but he does not get it and more importantly he does not care. One lie...two lies, three lies......how much more will we find out? Now we find out that he talked to an underaged girl. And some of you say he should not resign? Well some people have standards and class....some people don't. When you accept a position to represent the people of the United States that should mean something. That person should be intelligent, that person should have character. Weiner put himself and his sexual addictions first in his life. My heart breaks for his pregnant wife. If she knows what is best for her...she ought to run. Although Weiner is now going for help......its only to keep his job and to hide until things calm down. The Democratic Party should ask for his resignation, just like they should have asked for Clintons.

Side: yes
3 points

Where's the scandal? Sending photos of yourself to a willing adult is not illegal or immoral. It may possibly count as infidelity toward his wife, but that's an issue for them to sort out in private; it has nothing to do with the government or the general public. If anything, governments need more representatives who aren't dull old men thinking along 1950s morality, but are more in touch with the modern world.

Initially lying about it did lose him points in my eyes, but considering the absurd "moral" rules that government representatives are supposed to live by, I can understand why he would try to cover it up.

Side: No
1 point

See you admit that lying about it is just cause for his resignation. Bill Clinton was impeached for lying but never convicted. The problem isn't two consenting adults engaging in legal matters, but it is the lying to the public, which then it is the concern of the general public and maybe the government.

Side: yes
Peekaboo(704) Disputed
3 points

Nowhere in my post did I "admit that lying about it is just cause for resignation".

Side: No
chatturgha(1630) Disputed
1 point

That's your argument?

All politicians lie.

Because they know that if they reveal themselves to be imperfect, people are going to hammer them and stop them from doing what they believe in.

Side: No
2 points

Representative Weiner, despite this scandal, is still one of the more moral members of Congress. He has spent his time in office aggressively fighting for the rights of people who have none, since he is a young man who can spot the injustice of the older generations.

But he's a young man. A man. Human, like everyone else. So he made a mistake? Big deal. The world shouldn't judge a man by a few minor mistakes. He never even physically cheated on his wife, he merely flirted around with these women over the internet. Whatever this means for his marriage, that's between him and his wife, not him and the public.

Should he resign? No. It's not his fault he's human. Your God knows, not anyone has gone without making a courtship mistake at least once.

Side: No
1 point

Now, if this same indicate would have happened in my shoes in my job, I would be fired or forced to resign because I have to bear sole responsibility, and that what Rep. Weiner has said, that he takes full responsibility. Where is his resignation?

He simply doesn't want to resign because he has no where to go.

Side: yes
chatturgha(1630) Disputed
3 points

You seem to be missing the point. If he were any other guy, no one would know about this and demand his resignation. This is a marital issue on his part. It has nothing to do with politics or his career. It's not his fault the media personal blows on the hidden dicks of Congress. They're like celebrities, except people like to blame them for things they aren't responsible for.

Sir, if you had a normal job, and your boss found out you were having marital issues, then it's wrong for him to fire you, because it's not his damn business, it's yours.

Side: No
churchmouse(328) Disputed
1 point

Well anyone can give the excuse that they are human. Hey I robbed the bank officer because I AM HUMAN. I killed that guy BECAUSE I AM HUMAN. I cheated on the exam because I AM HUMAN. I raper her BECAUSE I AM HUMAN.

It is what it is and Weiner blew it. This mistake affected a lot of people whether you think it did or not. He is a representative of the United States of America. If he is that stupid...to take naked pictures of himself and send it out on the internet....he deserves what he gets. He can no longer be affective....and should resign. NOW

Side: yes
chatturgha(1630) Disputed
1 point

What the hell are you talking about? No, it did NOT effect anyone but him and the people involved. If it did, then they chose to let it effect them! It's his personal life! If you had an affair and some journalist tattled about your affair to your boss, why should he fire you? Your affair has nothing to do with your job! The same applies to every Congressman. Their sex lives and personal lives have nothing to do with their politics and their actions in their politics.

Yes, he made a poor moral decision. Don't let that cloud your mind just because you disagree with his moral choice. I disagree with it, I hate it even, but it has nothing to do with his job.

I can tell you're pissed at him, but guess what: Non-physical adultery is not equal to murder or rape. Yes, his character is compromised, but he's human. And since non-physical adultery is not equal to murder or rape, saying that he's human is the ONLY argument I need to explain that he doesn't need to step down morally.

Side: No
2 points

I guess everyone deserves one free pass, but I'm sure he'll be under the microscope for a good while after that.

Side: No
1 point

I do not believe that he should resign, there are so many politicians who have done the same thing and did not resign. I do however think that he should not be re-elected.

Granted he lied but do you know any politician who hasn't?

Side: No
1 point

No politicians lie until they are caught in the lie.----------------

Side: yes
1 point

Bill Clinton lied under-oath... had to do with him and Lewinsky and the sexual harassment charge from Paula Jones. In that case, it was right to consider impeachment since he was committing perjury.

However, Weiner is a liar, sure, but for what? About a twitter pic. I think his sexual misconduct is between him and his wife, and while he did lie to the public, it was because of something of a personal nature that the public didn't need to know in the first place. If it was about taxes or some political shit, I'd agree that it would be wise to resign, but I don't care about him being a pervert...

Side: No
1 point

You're right, this was in his personal life, but unfortunately you don't have a personal life once you have entered politics. Sure he's lied and made bad personal mistakes, but what keeps him from doing the same in the political arena? I think he should gracefully bow out while he has the opportunity.

Side: No
1 point

I don't see how lying about a picture of his dick is similar to lying about what piece of legislation he voted for. It's not like this guy has a track record for being dishonest to the public. He's a perv, and now that it's out I think he's suffered enough.

Side: No
1 point

Sure, the Bill Clinton fiasco had legitimate legal issues, but as of right now, there are none with Weiner, so what about his integrity to the nation and his constituents? John Ensign had extramarital affairs, and guess what, he lied about his personal life as well, which eventually led to his resignation.

Side: yes
ThePyg(6736) Disputed
1 point

And that's up to the politician. As of now, it seems that Weiner may resign because he is having troubles in coping with all of this attention, but that is up to him. Personally, I find more of the fault to be towards the people who defend the guy (Stephen Colbert) despite that he was a liar. The ones who have exposed him should not be vilified and should actually be seen as heroes (specifically, Andrew Breitbart), but at the same time, I feel that Weiner should make the decision himself. And even more so, the media that defended Weiner and attacked people (including some other media members) should be held accountable for their misconduct as seekers of the "truth".

Side: No
churchmouse(328) Disputed
1 point

It is more than one pic. He is now envolved with an underaged girl. You think this is not serious? His sexual conduct is our business...he is a represents the U.S. He stood up and lied.....just like Clinton did. But even Clinton was not with a teenager.

Its not personal...when the whole world can see your naked body.

Side: yes
ThePyg(6736) Disputed
1 point

As investigations continue on what kinds of women he spoke to, we will see whether he was acting criminally or not. Keep in mind that this debate started after he finally admitted that he had been cyber-sexing college chicks.

I never said that his sexual conduct was or wasn't our business. I find it a problem, though, when people see his sexual actions as a reason for him to resign. I find the whole thing about him lying as a justification for other's anger towards him, but to me, that's up to his constituents since they are the ones he effects.

And as a pointed out about Clinton, he committed perjury. That is a criminal act.

Side: No