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College yes. K-12 no. College is the extra step you take. All your basic logic is in K-12. Colleges need money because of all the stuff they offer and they usually aren't funded by the state.
but what about someone whose dad makes $2000 a month?
Do you believe that only, er 1/10 kids maybe, deserve an education?
And how much do you think it would cost you personally to employ several teachers with different expertise for 40 some hours per week?
How much lower would your taxes be if you are still paying for all of the roads, military, infrastructure, etc?
Do you think the say, extra 300 a month you save by not putting any taxes toward school, pay for an education equal to what you are receiving?
The fact is that, all through history in every single case, when we share the cost to educate all kids, everyone pays less then they would otherwise (even your dad), and everyone gets a better education.
If you don't believe it look at the U.S.
We used to be #1 in everything, everything.
Every year we want to invest less and less because so many think like you,
and every year we fall further and further behind.
I know what you say is true - but I'm a libertarian, I want to be the boss of my own money.
People who make 2000$ a month can barely survive - sure they have free healthcare and school, but what about food? Food is expensive, and especially where I live.
And even if they had enough money to buy food and stuff, why am I supposed to pay for their school system, what if I don't even want to go to school myself?
And the free healthcare and education is not as good as you think - because it is free, there is no competition, and competition is good - when you compete, you try to be better than everyone else, there is no need for that here, because everything is sponsored by the country.
Also hospitals and the education isn't the best you can get when it's free - because the hospitals and the schools are not on a very high budget, therefore they can't hire the best doctors or the best teachers.
I'd rather pay my hospital bill, and get real healthcare, than get free crappy healthcare, and I'd rather pay for my education, and get a real one, than get a crappy one for free.
More and more people who have the money to do it, choose a private school, because they are much much much better - and MOST of the people can't afford schools like that, because 60-70% of their salary goes to taxes.
Yes, I feel bad for those who can't afford to provide school for their children.
But if I want to donate my money to those kids, I want to do it voluntarily.
but I'm a libertarian, I want to be the boss of my own money.
Then you are not a libertarian, you've just drank their koolaid. Find an issue of freedom, any, where individual clashes with business, and you will find libertarians are suddenly less concerned with individuals and more concerned with business.
The fact is we are social and our societies at this time depend on exchange of goods and services through money. The money you have is always controlled by outside forces. The less say society has in that does not result in more say for you, it results in more say for whatever fills that void, in the libertarian world--big business.
The difference between society control and business control is you have a say in one and not in the other. Libertarians support less freedom for everyone ultimately accept the very few richest of the richest who can afford themselves their own police, schooling, roads, etc (we're talking 7 million a month, not 7 thousand), everyone else is at their mercy, what prices they set, how well they decide to check the food they make for disease, what schools they deem should be made affordable for you. This is the ultimate result of libertarianism, which is why it is only attractive to the young and inexperienced and to the older and slightly unhinged.
People who make 2000$ a month can barely survive - sure they have free healthcare and school, but what about food? Food is expensive, and especially where I live.
True. Now imagine they don't have healthcare or school as well. That is the result.
And the free healthcare and education is not as good as you think - because it is free, there is no competition, and competition is good - when you compete, you try to be better than everyone else, there is no need for that here, because everything is sponsored by the country. etc.
Theoretically, but not in practice. Every single country with Universal care pays less for better care. This is a long established fact, and the only thing clouding that debate is the money private care in the U.S. and abroad is able to spend on ad campaigns telling you to say what you just said.
More and more people who have the money to do it, choose a private school, because they are much much much better - and MOST of the people can't afford schools like that, because 60-70% of their salary goes to taxes.
This is a misconception, a huge one. Private and public schools perform the same when compared across socio-economic class.
You can't state that the public is better before you have experienced it for yourself.
I would loooove to go to a private school, and I would afford it if it weren't for the taxes my parents and I pay.
The private schools ARE better here, they have checked the grades of students from public and private schools, and the result was that the students who go in a private school are statistically better.
People who make 2000$ a month can barely survive - sure they have free healthcare and school, but what about food? Food is expensive, and especially where I live.
True. Now imagine they don't have healthcare or school as well. That is the result.
No, what I meant is, that they can barely survive, because of the taxes they pay. 2000$ is 1000$ after taxes, and that is a tough budget to live of.
I really want to clarify, that I don't want 0% in taxes, I just don't want 60% in taxes, there is a huge difference, and I know that if I want the taxes lowered, then I have to give something up.
Education is one thing I'd have no problem in giving up, and here people get money when they retire - I have no problem in saving money up for myself to live of when that time comes.
Health care is one thing I personally believe would be better if there was some competition, we would probably get better doctors.
One thing I think is stupid is, that there is no way I can get a full body check, without leaving the country - it is pretty popular these days, to go to a doctor, and he checks every part of your body for potential diseases and stuff like that - my country doesn't have the budget to provide me that for free, and they refuse to make this a service one can pay for to get, and it is a shame, because many people would be willing to pay for those, and the hospital could get some money.
Btw - does anyone know what the down votes mean? I'm getting really many down votes in this particular debate, and I wonder if it is because someone just disagrees with me, or because my statements aren't correct?
