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You betcha!! I should HIDE from them
Debate Score:151
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Total Votes:193
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Should a Jewish Warrior STICK it in the eye of the anti-Semites and science deniers?

Hello:

6,000,000 Jews were murdered because they didn't STAND UP.

NEVER AGAIN!!!

excon

You betcha!!

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I should HIDE from them

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If you lived in Hitler’s Germany, how would you have been identified?

Hello A:

The Germans wouldn't have said, excon, you're NOT a Jew. Have a nice day.

They would have said, LINE up over there, filthy Juden!!

excon

Side: You betcha!!
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A good read on this very subject is a book by Shlomo Sand ....who is an Israeli Emeritus professor of History at Tel Aviv university, the book is aptly titled ......The invention of the Jewish people .....

Book summary

Sand began his work by looking for research studies about forcible exile of Jews from the area now bordered by modern Israel, and its surrounding regions. He was astonished that he could find no such literature, he says, given that the expulsion of Jews from the region is viewed as a constitutive event in Jewish history. The conclusion he came to from his subsequent investigation is that the expulsion simply did not happen, that no one exiled the Jewish people from the region, and that the Jewish diaspora is essentially a modern invention. He accounts for the appearance of millions of Jews around the Mediterranean and elsewhere as something that came about primarily through the religious conversion of local people, saying that Judaism, contrary to popular opinion, was very much a "converting religion" in former times. He holds that mass conversions were first brought about by the Hasmoneans under the influence of Hellenism, and continued until Christianity rose to dominance in the fourth century CE.

Jewish origins

Sand argues that it is likely that the ancestry of most contemporary Jews stems mainly from outside the Land of Israel and that a "nation-race" of Jews with a common origin never existed, and that just as most Christians and Muslims are the progeny of converted people, not of the first Christians and Muslims, Jews are also descended from converts. According to Sand, Judaism was originally, like its two cousins, a proselytising religion, and mass conversions to Judaism occurred among the Khazars in the Caucasus, Berber tribes in North Africa, and in the Himyarite Kingdom of the Arabian Peninsula.

According to Sand, the original Jews living in Israel, contrary to popular belief, were not exiled by the Romans following the Bar Kokhba revolt. The Romans permitted most Jews to remain in the country. Rather, the story of the exile was a myth promoted by early Christians to recruit Jews to the new faith. They portrayed that event as a divine punishment imposed on the Jews for having rejected the Christian gospel. Sand writes that "Christians wanted later generations of Jews to believe that their ancestors had been exiled as a punishment from God."Following the Arab conquest of Palestine in the 7th century, many local Jews converted to Islam and were assimilated among the Arab conquerors. Sand concludes that these converts are the ancestors of the contemporary Palestinians.

Jewish peoplehood Edit

Sand's explanation of the birth of the "myth" of a Jewish people as a group with a common, ethnic origin has been summarized as follows: "at a certain stage in the 19th century intellectuals of Jewish origin in Germany, influenced by the folk character of German nationalism, took upon themselves the task of inventing a people "retrospectively," out of a thirst to create a modern Jewish people. From historian Heinrich Graetz on, Jewish historians began to draw the history of Judaism as the history of a nation that had been a kingdom, became a wandering people and ultimately turned around and went back to its birthplace."

In this, Sand writes, they were similar to other nationalist movements in Europe at the time that sought the reassurance of a Golden Age in their past to prove they have existed as a separate people since the beginnings of history. Jewish people found theirs in what he calls "the mythical Kingdom of David". Before this invention, he says, Jews thought of themselves as Jews because they shared a common religion, not a common ethnic background.

Excon should demand his 49 bucks backs he was made a mug off no doubt in his desperation to feel like he “ belongs “

Side: I should HIDE from them

Should a Jewish Warrior STICK it in the eye of the anti-Semites

Sure should. The Muslims & Democrats have oppressed your people for way too long.

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Oceaneer(13) Disputed
3 points

The Muslims & Democrats have oppressed your people for way too long.

Hi bronto.

Funnily enough I had a DNA test done last week and it turns out I'm 97 percent Muslim Democrat.

LOL!

Side: You betcha!!

"Stick"? What are you sticking in anti-Semites?

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Side: I should HIDE from them
Amarel(5669) Clarified
1 point

What are you sticking in anti-Semites?

A little Semite?

Side: You betcha!!