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What do you mean? We are in a population crisis right now. The total fertility rate is declining since 1968 and the planet for sure is not massively overpopulated.
What do you mean? We are in a population crisis right now
Banning abortion in a population crisis is a ridiculously stupid thing to do. Does any part of you comprehend that?
In 1800 there were a billion people on the planet. In the last two hundred years that has increased to almost 8 billion!!!!! Your use of the phrase "right now" is clearly not accurate, is it?
I agree that we have too many people, so let's talk about voluntary contraception, to prevention abortion, unwanted people being born, and maternal mortality, rates. My Mom, rocks the house!
I agree, but the problem is, responsible adults with Godly morals, are rarer, than black diamonds, I'm for real. Doo you know how many babies have been born due to the mother's drugged out sexcapade, or the father was a magarapist? Anyone who puts Vaseline on a condom, needs to go back to Sex Ed Class, learn about sex, contraception, all of that, you know? Despite our history of bitter arguing, I STILL, would want you to be secure, healthy, and joyful, in Yeshua.
Of course it should be! It comes down to a matter of bodily autonomy. Pregnancy completely disrupts a person's life and body, and what happens with it should be up to them
So I guess following your point humans should be eradicated because it's ruining the planet? Non-sense.
No, that would actually be quite accurate. Humans are ruining the planet. All the data illustrates this. I think the issue is more that you are biased because you are (arguably) human.
This doesn't affect me, because I have my tubes removed for contraceptive reasons, but you are supporting rape. Forced ANYTHING, regarding the reproductive organs of any person, place, or thing, is rape. I will ask Yeshua to protect you.
Absolutely. None of that "inherent value in a life" garbage or "the fetus has the potential to become a human". That life only has value once it votes democrat and pledges allegiance to the anti-racist cause. Moreover, the convenience of the woman is more important. And so is the climate. We need to kill people to save the planet. May as well kill the most innocent and those with the longest to live first. After all, in my pathetic zero sum game view of the world, that baby could take my place! Unthinkable!
You know what, what about those post-birth fetuses? Can we abort those too? They'll probably live crappy lives anyway, it's a mercy really.
Actually, why not abort the babies that contribute less to society? Like those babies that come from those rich capitalists that steal from all the workers, just abort them before they can continue stealing as part of their oppression dynasty. Then we can just have more productive welfare babies instead.
Absolutely. None of that "inherent value in a life" garbage or "the fetus has the potential to become a human". That life only has value once it votes democrat and pledges allegiance to the anti-racist cause.
Oh, shut up. You guys want to force women to have kids they can't afford to support, while at the same time you want to dismantle the social security system which keeps them alive!!! The hypocrisy of it is just mad. Pro-life until 18. Anti-life after 18.
You guys? I'm in the middle. I think a woman should be held responsible for having unprotected sex only if she chooses to, the same way a man should and already is, because the two did so knowing full well the risks and what it means, and consented to it. I think in cases where there was no consent then it may be immoral (as in a two wrongs don't make a right), but fair, to have an abortion. This is literally the mid-way position, the consensus that we're supposed to be sitting in.
However I do think the left's argument for unrestricted abortion is insane. It is quite literally a position where it is acceptable to kill another person for ideological reasons. The same standard does not apply anywhere else. Even killing someone else to survive is morally ambiguous, so why would killing someone for convenience, and to avoid the consequences of your own actions no less, be at all reasonable?
Yeah incidentally I do think the social security system should be dismantled, or rather, limited, it creates an issue of depandance. For example, in the US, black families have been falling apart for 60 years because mothers will kick out the men for a welfare check, and the child suffers overall. So yeah, get rid of it. Not because I want people to suffer and die after they turn 18, but because if it was dismantled, then those people would still survive, but by other more productive means that can go on to save others as well, whether that's towards raising their own kids well, or towards strangers through the economy. But as things are, what do you think people will choose between welfare and a job that pays at or a little above welfare?
I'm sorry, but fascism really isn't in the middle.
I think a woman should be held responsible for having unprotected sex only if she chooses to
I can't even make sense of this. Nevertheless, obviously pregnancies still occur during protected sex because contraception is not 100 percent effective. Ask your science teacher about that.
I think in cases where there was no consent then it may be immoral (as in a two wrongs don't make a right), but fair, to have an abortion. This is literally the mid-way position
There is no "mid-way position" in the same sense that there is no "mid-way position" about whether or not the sun is real. Either you accept that abortion is part of modern day life (and sometimes a medical necessity), or you don't.
I didn't. But if you do have sex, you should be prepared to suffer the consequences of raising a child. If you evade your responsibility by killing that which you have been made responsible for, then you have comitted a crime, a crime called murder.
Demand only the woman should be held accountable.
I specifically said both should be held accountable. But, that said, men are already held accountable. There's even a case where the man had to pay child support even after a dna test proving the child isn't his.
Unless of course she doesn't want to.
I explicitly accounted for this scenario as an exception, and that's why I refer to my position as the middle position; I'm against abortion, but you can do it if you aren't responsible.
Now you are being delusional. You said the woman should be held accountable, but the woman hasn't done anything wrong.
But if you do have sex, you should be prepared to suffer the consequences of raising a child.
Stop being utterly ridiculous. The urge to have sex is a natural part of human biology, like eating and sleeping. Implying that people should be punished for their own biological needs is as absurd as it gets.
Implying that people should be punished for their own biological needs is as absurd as it gets.
Well, you're going to have to take that up with nature. I'm sorry you disagree with biological reality, I do too. But it makes more sense to live with it than it does killing people to pretend it it isn't.