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Debate Score:126
Arguments:98
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Should abortion be made legal?

Should abortion be made legal if not in the case of incest, rape or if the foetus is a danger to the mother's life?

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Side Score: 63
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Side Score: 63
3 points

Of course not!

Listen to the excuses from the Left. They talk about the mother being able to exercise her authority over the child, or not being forced to keep her child.

CAN YOU IMAGINE THESE TOTALLY SELFISH EXCUSES FOR HUMAN BEINGS?

Using that twisted logic, a mother shoud be able to kill her new born baby if she deos not want it, or she thinks she would be a bad parent, etc. etc.

WHAT ABSOLUTE DRIVEL!

This is why we have mothers throwing their babies unto dumpsters after they are born!

There is no difference between that late term viable baby before or after birth!

An innocent human life is the most precious thing in this world, and you don't make excuses for taking that life.

Side: no
Wishing(2) Disputed
0 points

People distmiss the specifics of this. There is always different circumstances of whether this could be morally correct or not just like in other situations like euthanasia. Examples of obscure circumstances are happenings of rape, should the mother have to birth the child she did not want? what if the pregnancy was an ectopic pregnancy where the mother's life really is at risk. It is also impossible to counter act this. I believe the woman should have the right to do what she pleases with her body as she is in a current living state and my personal belief would say that she is not more important than the foetus in question but she takes priority in the sense that she is present in life and is living so should have the right to carry on doing so the way they want. In many countries woman can't just have them for the sake of it and have them at a constant rate which cuts down the number of abortions. It is legal in most western countries anyway.

Side: yes
FromWithin(8245) Disputed
1 point

As always, bring up life of mother, or rape excuses to condone the vast vast vast vast vast majority of abortions done purely for birth control.

I'm so sick of deceptive people like yourself.

NEWSFLASH, a woman has a couple days to go to the doctors to get pills to prevent conception after a rape!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In the very rare occurences of those types of pregnancies. The GOP has already compromised on rape abortions, life of mother abortions, and other extreme case abortions, but FOOLS WILL KEEP USING THOSE PATHETIC EXCUSES!

Side: no
-1 points

1. It's a fetus not a baby

2. This debate is asking about abortion in general, not late term. It is possible to legalise abortion without having it legal during the third trimester.

3. Up until 25 weeks the fetus has no regular EEG (brain activity) and therefore has no mind, is not truly alive. But I guess anything scientific means nothing to a religitard young earth creationist like you.

Side: yes
FromWithin(8245) Disputed
0 points

To the idiot that pretends to not know what he supports when voting for Democrats.

THE GOP HAS A NUMBER OF TIMES TRIED TO COMPROMISE AND ALLOW ABORTIONS UP TO 20 WEEKS(WITH EXTREME CASE EXCEPTIONS UP TO BIRTH) AND THE DEMOCRAT PARTY ALWAYS STOPS THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You just said it would be possible to not have third trimester abortions legal. THE DEMOCRT PARTY WILL NOT ALLOW IT.

WHEN YOU VOTE FOR THEM, YOU ARE SUPPORTING KILLING ANY BABY UP TO BIRTH FOR ANY REASON!

Side: no
2 points

Abortion should not be made legal. If scientist found a single cell organism on mars they would classify it as life on mars, but people won't call a human fetus life. Abortion is murder. Abortion is either poisoning the child with a pill or the doctor will go into the womb and crush the human fetus's head. In addition, some of the previous debaters have mentioned that the mother may not have wanted to have the baby or won't be able to afford the baby. You decide if you want to have the baby where ever you have sex, not in the hospital or birth clinic. Also, putting your own comfort above a baby's life is selfish, and you are putting money and materials over a living baby. If the baby came into an impoverished family then that family can put the baby in an orphanage, into the foster care system, and family members.

Sorry if i offended you in this argument

Side: no
3 points

I totally agree.

We once had laws that protected innocent life and those laws were not worried about offending the killers.

Those who support abortions for any reason are lacking in many of humanity's core values.

Democrats have long ago sold their souls for sake of elections.

Side: no
NowASaint(1389) Clarified
2 points

Don't apologize for speaking the truth. Whoever gets offended by it needs to apologize to God.

Side: no
Jace(5078) Disputed
0 points

You are attempting to arrive at an ascription of "human life" from an ascription merely of "life". One might well regard the fetus as life just as one regards the single cell organism on Mars as life, but one cannot get from there to a conclusion that the fetus is human life because one would not say the single cell organism on Mars is human life.

If the fetus is not regarded as a human life, which you have not established it to be, then it does not really matter what reason a woman has for wanting an abortion. With respect to the issue of resources, I think you are not considering that matter in its entirety; it is not a question of the mother's comfort but of the quality of life of the prospective child. It takes money and materials to give a child a quality upbringing that respects their human value, and if those resources are not available (and especially if one does not regard a fetus as being a human life yet) then there is a defensible ethical ground for not bringing that child into a life of suffering. Suggesting that the child would have a quality life in an orphanage or foster care demonstrates a rather woeful ignorance of the quality of life these options actually afford, nor is it reasonable to suppose that family would be in any greater position to care for the child.

Also, not sure why you're apologizing. Nothing you said was particularly offensive, and even if it was so what?

Side: yes
Amarel(5150) Disputed
2 points

We label life forms all the time. The organism on Mars would be some form of Martian life. An oak tree has an oak tree life. Dog life for dogs etc.

If we cannot ascribe "human" to the life of a fetus, what form of life is it? What would you ascribe?

Side: no
1 point

Well you wouldn't kill your next door neighbor (Unless you're a psycho) so why would you kill an innocent human? Now if the mother's life is in danger or if you got raped then go ahead and rip it out. Simple...

Side: no
lexihatesyou(10) Disputed
1 point

Yes I actually would...............................................................................................................................

Side: yes
1 point

No because abortion is murder, and as I recall murder is wrong.

Side: no

NO! Abortion is only another excuse for young non married couples to go and have sex without using protection methods. ABORTION IS AN EXCUSE NOT A RIGHT!

Side: no

Abortion is already a right under a different name confession. We already have a legal right to confess. Confessions never directly insures and addresses punishment for the crime that is being admitted too, by the person admitting or those it is incriminating with the person confessing.

At some point a proper Medical term should be developed that is not directly describing a confession, as Abortion does. Offering a somewhat less self-incriminating request for medical treatment. A term that might match the many witness descriptions or Medical reasons behind their use publicly.

The suggestion from reading the Hippocratic Oath is to generalize the Medical procedure to offer a Doctor patient privacy. Abortion has a specialized set of conditions which label it as illegal. Those limited conditions do not apply to all (Basic Name) Gender Specific Amputations that are performed by the Medical community.

Side: no

The term Abortion has a specialized limit already in place as a confession, a position between sexual misconduct and rape. With protections and opportunity for many reasons to extend the legal reach of sexual offences beyond Statutes of limitation. The extension comes with a direct cost not just in dollars and cents but in criminal investigation time as a common defense to the general welfare of all people.

That this topic, abortion has not been addressed fully by the Civil, Medical, Criminal, and Judicial governing bodies is questionable.

Side: no

Abortion is either legal or it is illegal by the fact it is nothing more than a confession made when spoken or written down. It is describing an action a woman is taking, it describes evidence that can be collected.

To fully understand the issue at hand, a non-biased description taken from both men and woman as a witness, Gender Specific Amputation. Which is clearly not a confession in any way.

The agreement is the mother should choose, which means she will have to make a choice. Confessing to a crime or give birth to a child does not describe all legal choices, and to have only this choice to receive medical treatment and care.

Side: no

Abortion can always be proven as legal or illegal with no exception. It is a confession and that is the way all confessions work. They are not deemed by a court to all be justified and instantaneously declared legal as a group. (That’s religion not law) Gender Specific Amputation is a term that is always legal, it doesn’t contain a confession and falls within the Medical Hippocratic Oath. This term and terms described like it, at some point when abused may be proven to be illegal. But, do not imply in advance of medical treatment that they are.

Abortion will always have the troubling convenience of having a confession being made in writing for any woman to receive Emergency medical care. Meaning, No Woman! Facing medical dangers should be forced under United States Constitution to bear witness against herself to receive licensed medical treatment.

Side: no

No insult intended.

How is making the confession to any crime legal, changing the circumstance and outcome behind why a possible crime takes place, it doesn’t.

Abortion is saying something is officially being stopped. What is being stop? Human life. If any person officially stopes human life, how else can that be described by some-one who witnesses it? Murder? Can evidence be collected in a possible murder? Should evidence be collected in a possible murder?

Gender Specific Amputation describes an Emergency or Accidental removal. It has no confession tide to it. As a person defending the “United States Constitution” form incrimination here is a question. Why is a woman being ask to confess to a crime by other woman before receiving Medical treatment?

Side: no
1 point

At what point does it convert from abortion to murder? When the baby comes out of the womb? I don't think passing through a small hole changes your status as a human being unless I am mistaken. The only logical argument to make for abortion being legal is a case in which the mother's life (not health but life) is in danger. If the mother is in fact going to die from childbirth, then abortion is appropriate. If a woman is raped that does not justify her to murder a child. There is no reason to murder a child in that situation. There has been no evidence to suggest that bad behavior or immorality is genetic. The baby won't be a rapist just because its father was. If the mother can't support the baby she can always put it up for adoption. Any argument for abortion can be countered by adoption except the case in which the mother's life is at stake. If the mother deserves rights to her body where are the rights of the child? Why just because the baby can't open its eyes yet it suddenly doesn't have the right to a free life? The Declaration of Independence specifically states that each man is born equal with certain unalienable rights that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Just because a fully developed baby hasn't been born yet it suddenly loses those rights? Not to mention the process by which they perform an abortion is just vile. One method of an abortion is the crack the baby's skull open and suck the brains out so the skull collapses and they can pull the body out. Does that sound humane? Doesn't that sound like a sick way to go? Having your skull crushed before you even have a chance to open your eyes and see the world?

Side: no

I support someone's right to choose from the moment of conception. Use contraception, or don't have sex.

Side: no
JustIgnoreMe(4334) Clarified
1 point

And, in the case of rape or contraception failure?

Side: no
5 points

News flash!

It IS legal.

Thank god.

As it should be.

At ANY time during pregnancy. Even at 3rd Trimester.

A woman's body and life is her own business.

So sayeth Roe v Wade.

SS

Side: yes
Harvard(660) Disputed
1 point

A woman's body and life is her own business.

However, the distinct life within her (especially during the third trimester) is the government's business (so saith the constitution).

Side: no
Jace(5078) Disputed
1 point

According to the judiciary, whose prerogative it is to interpret and apply the Constitution, the interest of the government is limited according to how the term "life" has been construed by that adjudicating body. Not that I am clear in the first as to why we should restrict this discussion to a strictly US jurisprudence. Nor is it given beyond such a context that anything unborn at any stage is defensibly construed of as constituting "life", though you assert it as if it were.

Side: yes
John_C_1812(279) Disputed
1 point

News flash!

Only the confessing part is legal in abortion as it is only an admittance, confession too. The law broken will still need to be justified or dismissed to be legally cleared? A basic separation to the insured would requires a Grand Jury evaluation by case, not consensus.

Roe vs. Wade is based on restriction placed on, and based on a right to privacy. The Supreme Court overturned a Texas interpretation of “abortion law”, not Federal or State law regarding a person’s Confessions.

Side: no
Lopilulu(286) Disputed
1 point

USA is not the only country in the world.

Side: no

In addition to the reasons that abortion itself can be justified:

Self-defense - All pregnancies pose a risk to the mother.

Mercy - a fetus that is in pain and will not live.

Selective reductions - from triplets to twins, or twins to a single, etc. - to improve the overall chances for those remaining.

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There are additional arguments against making abortion illegal:

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Ineffectiveness:

"Highly restrictive abortion laws are not associated with lower abortion rates." (ref)

Laws making it harder to get abortions are making them happen later in the gestation, and are more dangerous/costly, etc.

Complexity:

The actual complexity of writing a law that applies for the range of possible circumstances:

Should selective reductions to improve the health of multiples be legal?

Should it be legal to protect the life of the mother? (how certain does the doctor have to be that death is likely?)

Should it be legal to protect the health of the mother? (how do you define "health" - severe organ damage? mental health?)

If a 10 year old is raped by an uncle and becomes pregnant - which is better: having the child or an abortion? Who gets to make the decision?

Should embryonic stem-cells be used for research or in curing diseases?

What about extra fertilized eggs created for in-vitro fertilization?

Would several forms of birth control pills, IUDs, etc. become illegal?

What penalties should be imposed on the woman, the doctor, other people who knew?

Enforcement:

Is it reckless endangerment for child-capable women to consume coffee/soda/tea, sushi/oysters/clams/mussels/crab, several types of fish, homemade ice cream, mayonnaise, lox, steak tartar, pâté, unpasteurized milk, soft cheese, deli meat, etc. etc.? If she has consumed any of these and has a miscarriage, is she guilty of negligent homicide?

Should all miscarriages be investigated as potential abortions/murders?

The cost of investigating all the new potential crimes and jailing of all the new criminals, etc.

Scarcity:

Are there lots of 9 month pregnant women getting abortions to fit into a dress for a party?

Alternatives:

Focusing on education about the responsibilities of sex, using protection, etc. reduces abortions.

An IUD program in Colorado was very successful at reducing both teen pregnancy and abortion rates (ref)

Side: yes
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
1 point

Minority women constitute only about 13% of the female population (age 15-44) in the United States, but they underwent approximately 36% of the abortions.

According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are more than 5 times as likely as white women to have an abortion

On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States.

You going to mention the black genocide that is taking place ? Or did you skip that fact

Side: no
1 point

If self-defense was disparately carried out on black men, would that mean self-defense should be illegal?

A black woman choosing to not have a black child is not genocide.

Side: yes
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
1 point

This incidence of abortion has resulted in a tremendous loss of life. It has been estimated that since 1973 Black women have had about 16 million abortions. Michael Novak had calculated "Since the number of current living Blacks (in the U.S.) is 36 million, the missing 16 million represents an enormous loss, for without abortion, America's Black community would now number 52 million persons. It would be 36 percent larger than it is. Abortion has swept through the Black community like a scythe, cutting down every fourth member."

16 million aborted black babies posed a risk to the mother ?

Side: no
1 point

All pregnancies pose a risk to the mother.

Side: yes
John_C_1812(279) Disputed
1 point

Complexity:

How does abusing any woman’s confession in any way fix all pregnancy issues?

Enforcement:

There are legal responsibilities that are required when a confession is made, the rules are different for public confession, and private confessions. The United States Constitution describes law enforcement as only a part of the separation process. The United States Constitution does not enforce the law. It enforces the contesting of law, for the general welfare of the people.

Security:

How many woman understand that abortion is a confession to a crime?

Side: no
JustIgnoreMe(4334) Clarified
1 point

um, what?

Side: no

Those who have the responsibility of the child (in this case, I assume the preconception is about mothers) ought to be allowed to exercise their authority on what they want to happen. Because responsibility and authority go hand-in-hand.

If a religion is to be given the authority to decide, then they must be willing to take the responsibility if no one else is. For starters, eliminate world poverty to show that they can be trusted with the responsibility.

Side: yes
FromWithin(8245) Disputed
1 point

This is why we have mothers throwing their babies unto dumpsters after they are born!

Abortion cheapens life!

People like you think a mother has the right to kill her baby if she does not want it. SICK!

Side: no
2 points

Unless you are arguing for throwing them in dumpsters, I doubt you mean anything at all.

Side: yes
1 point

A lot of mothers who have went through abortion say they regret doing that. It leaves a permanent scar and a long lasting guilt that you have killed an innocent fetus.

Side: no
1 point

Of course, if they have taken the responsibility and authority, then they can't run from the psychological consequences.

That'd be a flaw in their individual judgement, an error for which they must suffer.

If, say, you are embarrassed for posting something online, then would your first reaction be that you should never have been allowed to use a device in the first place?

Side: yes
2 points

Yes abortion should be made legal because some of the reason why mothers get abortions are related to health and financial issues. Making abortions illegal will result in people being forced to keep the child/children. This can lead to bad parenting which can have serious consequences on both the parents and the child.

Making abortions illegal will result in people carrying out illegal and unsafe abortions. Which will than lead to the government spending more money behind these illegal actions.

Side: yes
FromWithin(8245) Disputed
3 points

That mother chose to have unprotected sex. She must live with her choices and it matters not if she might be a bad parent.

No parent has the right to kill their babies just because they don't think they would be a good parent.

We have laws protecting our children from bad parents!

Side: no
2 points

Did you deliberately ignore the most important part of her argument?

Making abortions illegal will result in people carrying out illegal and unsafe abortions. Which will than lead to the government spending more money behind these illegal actions.

Side: yes
Brendan1095(29) Disputed
1 point

If the mother cannot afford to keep the child, put it up for adoption. It's as simple as that.

Side: no
Lopilulu(286) Disputed
1 point

You ever had a child? Talking from experience or just for the sake of argument?

Side: yes
KJVPrewrath(979) Disputed
1 point

So you support murder for money? You must work for Planned Murderhood.

Side: no
1 point

Is self-defense "murder for money"?

Side: yes
2 points

It shouldn't be the government's choice, nor should it be yours. The mother should choose whether or not to have an abortion. If abortion was illegal, some women may go through with it anyway. It would be unsafe, and would most likely lead to both the mother and baby passing away.

Side: yes

The planet is overpopulated, we cannot keep reproducing at this rate. You can say it is killing Innocent human beings, but every day 15,000 children die of hunger anyways. I dont see any of you "Pro-life" people doing much to stop that.

Side: yes
FromWithin(8245) Disputed
4 points

You are a liar. Christians are the biggest organizations feeding starving children around the world.

Christians and Conservatives care for all our innocent lives, before and after birth!

You sit there and talk about 15,000 children dieing of hunger, and rather than fighting for better ways to feed these children, your answer is KILLING THEM!

LOL, what pathetic garbage you spew. On one hand you worry about babies starving to death, and then your answer is to kill them! HELLO? Not only don't you care about these lives, you support killing them before you even know if they would starve.

You can't make this stuff up! How inhuman your thinking!

Side: no
2 points

Haha :p

Side: yes
1 point

Why isn't it good to end misery that can't be solved?

Or, put it this way, what is there you care about in their lives?

Side: yes

You are a liar. Christians are the biggest organizations feeding starving children around the world.

This.

Side: no
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
3 points

15,000 children are dying of hunger in the United States ? Where did you come up with that number.

Side: no
2 points

I didnt say 15,000 children die of hunger in the US

I said 15,000 children die of hunger, and this number is global. My source is statistics from UN

Side: yes
2 points

The very fact that 15,000 children die everyday from starvation shoes that we do NOT need abortion as a control for overpopulation.

Side: no
1 point

This number is rising, we are heading towards 8 billion people very fast, and our earth cannot sustain with this many people. There is not food for all of us, and after sick people the first to die are usually children.

Side: yes

Abortion is great. I don't want the underclass of society who rely off taking government handouts who are too dumb to use birth control to continue reproducing uncontrollably.

Brain activity can't even be measured until 25 weeks, If something doesn't have regular brain activity, it's like killing pondweed.

Side: yes
1 point

Of course it should,

If you had a daughter and she fell pregnant through the act of rape, would you make her keep it? Would you let her relive an experience as traumatic as that every time she looked at her baby? Could you do the same? No.

There are circumstances where abortion is magnificent act and a pregnancy resulting from rape is one of them.

Side: yes
1 point

Making abortion illegal doesn't stop abortion... it only stops safe abortion.

Side: yes
1 point

Stopping safe abortion is still stopping part of the number of abortion cases. At least now when safe abortion is stopped, ladies now think twice before having sex without protection methods

Side: no
1 point

Sadly it is legal and should be made illegal immediately. The fetuses have a right to life. They are living people too. And no, abortion should not be allowed in the case of rape or incest.

Side: yes

Of course it should be legal

Making them illegal will just lead to problems such as people performing abortions incorrectly and illegally, people using unsafe equipment to carry out abortions, people asking for a lot of money for an illegal abortion, even law obeying citizens might be forced to get abortions illegally.

Abortion is not something that can be handled properly if it is made illegal. Yes make tighter laws but making it illegal is too much.

Side: yes
1 point

Well the baby is reliant on the mother so it's up to the mother.

Also the baby will never know what happened as it's brain haven't developed to comprehend it's own existence outside the womb. The baby loses out on the chance to live but it's dosent know that.

It was the mother who made the baby and it's like correcting a mistake where there are no negative effects

Side: yes