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In your sick selfish world, there is not one unborn life deserving of protection!
You vote for the Democrat Party where every Presidential candidate supports NO RESTRICTION ABORTIONS!
These are not life of mother or other extreme case abortions. The vast majority of these abortions have nothing to do with a mother's safety!
These radical pro abortion Democrats are tied hip line and sinker to the feminist abortion lobby! They have sold their souls for money and votes. People like you support their radical policies when voting for them.
Do you think you are kidding God? LOL, as if you even cared!
In your sick twisted view, rape victims should be forced to give birth. A zygote is not a baby, and there are a few situations where I support the mother's choice. if abortion is outlawed, mothers will die in back alley abortions. I would be happy to look up some information for you, and no, I DON'T like abortion, I just don't want pregnant mothers to die. All safe legal and rare abortion means is that all choices are presented, and the abortion is a last resort. I noticed how prolife compassion stops at birth. Why is that?
The Democrat Party, that you vote for, does not stop at extreme case abortions! THEY SUPPORT ALL ABORTIONS, SO THIS IS WHAT YOU SUPPORT WHEN VOTING FOR THEM!
The GOP compromise supports extreme case abortions, and up to a 20 week limits,so stop spewing such ludicrous excuses and denials!
Appeal to emotion fallacy, feed it once it's born, or you are not prolife...........................................................................................................
You vote for the Democrat Party where every Presidential candidate supports NO RESTRICTION ABORTIONS!
Show evidence of this. What I'm finding is that most support abortion in some form but there is absolutely nothing about your favorite claim of no restriction abortions.
I haven't seen a single reputable thing that collaborates what he's saying, so I'm giving him the chance to prove that every single democratic presidential candidate supports no restriction abortions. Not just they support abortion, but no restriction abortions.
You still have not shown me the evidence that every single Democratic Presidential Candidate supports no restriction abortions. Your opinion on it doesn't mean it's fact, so show me again where every single one said they support no restriction abortion.
You don't have the right to be abusive and call yourself a christian. I am not a communist, nor am I on the left. Social democracy is in the center. You don't have the right to say what is not true.
Absolutely. Abortion for convenience ought to be opposed as a crime. That being said, underage girls, rape victims, chid abuse victims, people whose kids are going to be in a life-long vegetative state, and women whose pregnancies risk their lives, all ought to have safe access to abortion.
And if this is refused and access to abortion at will is adopted, then men also ought to have the legal right to give up all their responsibilities and duties in fatherhood. It would require only the signing of a document to the effect of "I legally relinquish all rights and responsibilities", and would have the same legal, financial and cultural implications as a woman giving her child away at a safe haven zone.
One rule for one gender and another for the other, is not equality. It is precisely, by definition, the opposite.
If a man is legally compelled to shoulder parental responsibilities, barring exceptional cases, then why should women be any different?
To that effect, we must hold both sexes accountable for providing for and nurturing healthy babies, exempting the cases mentioned above.
If my girlfriend were to get pregnant, I would be furious with her if she had an abortion. Legally, it is her right, where I live. But I would probably never speak to her again. Because I believe there is such a thing as an unborn life. And it is as much a part of my progeny and my legacy, as it is her's.
I also am angry at the fact that, while she has at least three avenues out of parenthood: abortion, adoption, or legal relinquishment, I as a man have none. If she gets pregnant and decides to abort: I have no legal input. If she gets pregnant and decides to keep the child, I must be legally compelled to provide for it. If she gets pregnant and decides not to name me on the birth dcertificate, I must spend tens if not hundreds of thousands fighting for paternity. If I decide that I don't want to be a father, she can legally compel the government to take a significant proportion of my income to finance her own parental decision.
As a man, there is no such thing as reproductive rights. And I must admit, I resent her somewhat for having this level of power over me in society.
But I also care about her, and I care about unborn children, and I would be completely against abortion in a personal circumstance. However, the fact that it is a legal choice, makes me question whether society and women really want true equality. Because: what would that look like? Men can legally give up all responsibility: who would pay for all the children out there whose mothers get child support payments?
It is a screwed up system. As a man, I can have my child taken away from me and spend years in a legal battle even just to have any access to them. But if the shoe were on the other foot, I would be legally culpable for kidnapping.
It is atrocious. I despise this system.
But I also believe in a fair medium: abortion that is rare and necessary, safe, and legal, equal parental rights, equal parental responsibility, and equal financial culpability, with no advantages or biases for either sex.
Absolutely. Abortion for convenience ought to be opposed as a crime.
I think people are looking at this backwards. I think that, unless you can prove you are a fit parent, you should not be allowed to have kids and the crime should be not having an abortion.
Put it through the democracy. Debate it and then vote on it.
It's bordering on eugenicist.
It has nothing to do with eugenics. Eugenics was grounded in the belief that undesirable qualities can be bred out of the species. This is about stopping idiots from causing misery to their kids.
When my sister got pregnant at 17, I thought: her life is over. She will be a terrible parent. She was impatient; immature; financially unstable; crass; rude; quick tempered; selfish; sullen; lazy; entitled; oblivious to her own faults; callous at times; irresponsible; shallow.
When my nephew was born, she became the most concerned, open-minded, tirelessly patient mother. And my nephew and I now have a relationship that is, honestly, the closest relationship that I have ever had to another human being.
Under your proposals "the democracy" could compel her to abort her child because she is "unfit". I'm sorry, but listen to yourself. What you are saying is eugenics. Weeding out those whom a privileged minority deem too inferior to procreate. It is a violation of the living right to diverge our own lineages, a most fundamental force that drives the continuation of life itself.
What you are saying is the ultimate offence to nature.
I disagree. Bodily choice is a human right..............................................................................................................................
Because it is their choice. Plenty of women will happily give up their own lives to save their unborn children. What you are doing is twisting my argument. I said that in the case where a woman's life is threatened by a pregnancy, she ought to have access to safe and legal abortion, should she choose to go that route. That does not mean that I believe that we should sterilize women with fertility issues.
I don't know how many more times I need to say this, but I am not an American. I don't vote in your elections. And I have made my position on abortion abundantly clear. It is there, in writing.
I have forgoten what you said. Forgive me. Now let me tell you once more... I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU WHEN DISCUSSING THE DEMPCRAT SUPPORT OF NO RESTRICTION ABORTIONS.
Stop addressing my debates when I am not talking about you or your nation.
If it is true what you say about not supporting convenience abortions, I applaud you. Can you understand the people I am speaking to?
I'm speaking to the phonies who do vote for Democrats,yet call themselves pro life.
My debate, my rules. If you don't like it, let me show you the door. I am a Democrat, and I support some restrictions on abortions. I don't think a fetus is a baby until it has brainwaves, and find you to be a strange sort of fanatic when addressing the aubject of fertilized eggs. You furthermore care nothing about right to life, as you oppose single payer healthcare rights. One thing you will realize when participating ing my debates, is that I will speak to you, whenever I want. You will not ban me from my own debate. Ha ha, sucker, you're in my court now.
You don't have the right to be abusive..................................................................................................................................
How Christian of you. My life should not have to be in danger to receive my healthcare rights. You are opposed to human rights, and I feel sorry for your wife and children. Do you abuse them too?
And also, you country is effectively a two party state. Are you saying that people, even if they disagree with 10% of Democrat policies, should vote for the opposite Republican party when they disagree with 90% of their policies?
It seems to me like people tend to vote for what they believe is the lesser of two evils in the USA: Dem or Republican.
That doesn't mean that every voter agrees with the most extreme policies of their chosen party.
Perhaps, rather than attack everyone who votes differently to you, you could work instead to give people more voting options.
I know for a fact that not everyone who votes Dem agrees with no restriction abortion, but perhaps that issue is only one of a multitude of issues that are important to them. And perhaps, by voting Democrat, a majority of their viewpoints are likely to be pushed for, even if there are those tehy don't agree with.
I mean, I am sure there are elements within the Republican party who you disagree with. Yet you still vote for them.
Now you are actually getting close to an intelligent response. HOW REFRESHING!
I have explained this many times before, but let me enlighten you to my point.
I agree with you that there should be more choices, but sadly there are not. Most every Left wing Party supports No Restriction abortions, so therefore when it comes to picking the lessor of two evils (which I agree with), we must weigh which Party stands for basic humanity, and which Party supports depravity.
To people like yourself, and myself, convenience abortions should be illegal... AND ESPECIALLY LATE TERM ABORTIONS OF VIABLE BABIES!
So if I supported a Conservative Party, where I agreed with 90% of their positions, but disagreed with an inhuman position of wanting to make slavery legal once again, what would you say to me?
Would you say you understand my problem with a two Party system and that I should vote for pro slavery politicians? OR, would you say that I am a radical Right wing nut job for supporting a Party that wants to make slavery legal?
You would tell me not to vote before voting for a Racist trying to make slavery legal. You would be 100% correct!
That's what I am saying about Democrats. They can scream and whine about not personally agreeing with No Restriction abortions, but when they elect the evil people who keep it legal, they are culpable!
These are issues of humanity and should ALWAYS supercede all the other issues they agree with in a Party.
No, you don't get to do that. Slavery isn't abortion. They aren't compatible issues.
You are appealing to historical atrocities and trying to equalize them with your own hates. Slavery is illegal. That debate is already settled.
We are debating abortion now.
And, both you and I disagree with no restriction abortion. And yet, you vote Republican, and I live far away where I vote for mostly left wingers.
The real issue in American politics isn't what I believe: it is what is available to vote for. I don't blame democrats for voting for other democrats who present them with a means to get their own policies put into place.
I knew it, you almost started to make intelligent conversation, and then of course you went back to denying the obvious.
The simple point was the issue of inhumanity, whether it be slavery, killing viable babies, Islamic killing of Gays or non believers, or any other depraved issue.
You chose to ignore the simple point and spew your pro abortion lunacy. You are as phony as every Leftist in this nation. You turn a blind eye to the inhumanity of killing viable babies for any reason.
THIS INHUMANITY IS THE GREATER OF TWO EVILS TO ANY SANE PERSON!
I will ignore yet one more deceptive Leftist, and ask you to ignore me when speaking to American issues. YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!
I fail to see how you can continue to call me pro abortion when actually, our stances are not dissimilar.
I don't agree with abortion on demand. I don't agree with no restriction abortion. Nor do you. I agree with abortion as a choice for rape victims. I get the impression from your posts that so do you. I agree with abortion when there is a threat to mum's life or the mother's body is too young and small to support a pregnancy. I get the impression that so do you.
He is banned, for all of his abuse, and permabanning me for no reason. I have had enough. If he wants fucking war, he will get it. Happy debating, and stay awesome.
