"The military should specifically spell out what constitutes a lawful order and what does not in order to keep the government in check."
That's already been done in many military manuals. "Illegal" orders should not be followed at all. All soldiers should know that by now.
I myself think that people in the military honoring the oath they took might be our only hope at this point. I find it strange that this debate has received so little attention, so I evened out the score by up voting arguments on the side I agree with, and making this post to finally even the debate score.
Is there anyone left on this site who finds the oath keeper's stance objectionable?
Side: Hell yeah
This is terrifying. This is really, truly terrifying. The idea of having an army that will not obey orders is far more unsettling to me than the idea of an army under the control of a tyrant. Undisciplined troops can do far more damage than those tightly controlled, even by someone with terrible intent.
Then, most of these apply exclusively to American citizens, which is really unfair, and reeks to me of dangerous nationalism (in the words of my AP World teacher, patriotism on crack). They're all for protecting the rights of Americans, and only Americans. when it comes down to it most war crimes are not upon the subjects of the fighters, but the citizens of their opponents. There are notable exceptions, yes- but it's not our rights we need to worry about.
"We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union."
Well DAMN. Let's just bring back the Confederacy. Black, Asian, Hispanic? Rights REVOKED. Female? REVOKED. Poor? REVOKED.
Then again, those militias will save us! Oh, shit! Just kidding, they'll actually just kill people without due process and install their own military government, However, they have the RIGHT to do so.
This is such bull. Good intentions, but BULL.
Side: No, I need some on my side
This is true, but that's what the media is for! Also, peaceful protest, etc. I could understand needing an oath like this in a country where the government was more shady, but even then, the threat of an unruly, armed mob is more than the threat of a disciplined army ordered to do questionable things.
Side: No, I need some on my side
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