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Well, tit for tat. You have told ME I was a fool, maybe not a hundred times, but, getting close! I don't think you are a fool for believing, I think the foolishness comes from insisting that everyone that doesn't see things YOUR way deserves to go to your HELL! (AND for elevating yourself to sainthood!). I don't think you are a fool, I just think you suffer from extreme disillusionment. (Is that a word? hmmm.) If the shoe fits.....
Thank you. It would be much simpler and honest for you to say "I'm a fool", but you have succeeded in making yourself appear as a fool so I guess you did okay for the purpose of the debate.
The Bible says you are a fool (Psalm 14:1). I agree with God; he says you are a fool so I say you are a fool. Simple; see?
We all deserve to burn in Hell forever as sinners. Why not admit it? Why be a fool and dare God to prove to you that you deserved to burn in Hell forever?
I'm sure you said something much too stupid to be worth my time reading, so I won't read it. I just want to be sure you know you are banned, so you will have something to whine about.
winos don't care if they look like fools.......and I don't care if you whine about being banned. You're on your way to Hell, there is no need for you to comment in my debates.
Got yourself banned again. I have told you enough how you can be saved from Hell, you think you don't need to be saved and you are nothing but a jack ass with me and I want you to stay out of my discussions.
Yes. I am a fool, like everyone. We know very little of the universe. To is my humility that allows me to continue to learn from sources without join any set way of thinking.
I really don't think you are a fool. You admitted that dying scares you. As far as I can remember, you are the only person who has argued with me and admitted that they fear dying. . When you fear dying you are beginning to fear God and that is a sign of hope. Most people are afraid to admit that they fear dying....and many of them actually do not fear it or God. They are fools. I do not fear dying any longer. Pain and suffering can be scary, but I know it will be over and I will be forever free of it in Heaven with a new body like Jesus' body was when He rose from the dead...free of death, free from sin, alive forever more. He offers the only hope, sure hope, of life. He is the gift of God which is eternal life through Him....receive Him by faith as your Savior, the One who died for your sins and conquered death for all who trust Him, and you will have eternal life and He will live in you by His spirit and carry you through all the pain and suffering of this world. All you have to do is swallow your pride and admit you are a sinner who deserves to die and burn in Hell, believe from your heart the God has raised Jesus from the dead and He is God the Savior, and ask God in Jesus name to forgive you of your sins and come into your heart and save you and He will make your life new....forever.
Wisdom begins with fearing God. Fools will not fear God, and He eventually tires of their foolishness and lets them go to Hell where they would rather be than to have God rule over them.The truth will make you free. What you are doing is holding yourself in a set way of thinking based on the belief that you cannot know God and cannot be sure of His mercy and cannot have eternal life with no pain or suffering in Heaven. Your set way of thinking is keeping you boxed in, and the box is your coffin. You need to be freed.
I'll lift the ban on you....I don't know what you are saying, I won't read it, but I'm sure you are setting a fine example of how stupid atheism is and how much simpler it would be, and more honest, if the atheist would just say, "I'm an atheist, I'm a fool".
Au contraire;- The believer is happy, the atheist is wise.
Having observed the phenomenon of Christian 'sheepeople' for a lifetime I have concluded that the inspiration of the bible is wholly dependent on the ignorance of those who read it.
Having also observed the horrendous events throughout history it is clear that the ''impotence' of the so called Christian god is infinite.
I believe passionately that anyone who is, or claims to be, sufficiently gullible to believe in the superstitious ramblings of the bible should automatically be formally banned from holding public office and strictly forbidden to be involved in any activity which involves contact with children.
Some clever Christian ( excuse the oxymoron) or some group of Christians ( now that's really pushing the boat out) should spend time translating the Bible from Mumbo Jumbo into Gobbledygook.
Well yes, there are some clever Christians, there must be, as all religions, including Christianity, are founded on the fear and stupidity of the many and the cleverness of the few.
If your god purposefully makes atheists stupid so that they won't believe him, and he has an excuse to send them to hell, then your god is despicable. A god who creates sentient beings with the purpose of being tortured is not a good god.
So you are trying to blame God for making you stupid? Does God not give you the freedom to remain stupid, and the freedom to change your mind and trust Him?
I think you feel that you must be stupid and have no choice in the matter, and really that is pretty stupid don't you think?
Why don't you just say "I'm a fool" instead of trying to imitate your puppet masters who put on a show while you applaud them and fall under their spell. Do you think that your puppet masters can follow their lusts all the way through death and remain outside of Hell, and keep you from falling into the fire?
I'm not blaming God for making me stupid. I'm saying that either he's made me stupid with the purpose of making me an atheist, or he hasn't.
If God exists, and if I am stupid, yes I would have the freedom to trust him, but as you put it, someone who is stupid doesn't have a choice in the matter of being stupid and therefore doesn't really have a choice in the matter of believing in stupid things. Again, I'm not saying I'm stupid, I'm saying that this would be the case if I were stupid.
"Why don't you just say "I'm a fool"
I won't go so far as to say that, but I am willing to admit that I there's a lot I don't know. Are you?
And no, I'm not trying to imitate my "puppet masters." I have none.
And I think you will find that my grammar is correct. I wasn't specifically referring to 'God,' just any god that would do such a thing as to create people just so that he can punish them for a trait that he created them with. And you're right, I don't know God, but I suspect you don't either. What I do know, is that any all powerful being who creates lower beings specifically so that he can torture them is a coward. Anyone who worships such a god is no better, and as you put it, a fool.
Who are you blaming? You just said that if God created you, it's His fault that you talk stupid so you should be excused and free of all personal responsibility for your actions with no punishment beyond death; isn't that what you said?
I did stupid things when I was very stupid, and I learned to choose to not do stupid things (at least some stupid things...stupidity has a way of sneaking up on you and making you look stupid when you were not expecting to look stupid)
I figured out when I was a young child that it would be stupid to believe in the evolution which has unceasingly been shoved in my face. Any child can figure out that evolution implies no moral responsibility for one's actions, so a person who murders is only doing what evolution does, natural selection and survival of the fittest. You certainly do have a choice to be stupid or not to be stupid....unless of course there is something physically wrong with your brain. Pardon me for saying so, but you are being stupid by choice and you are making a mistake.
Your grammar has improved. You looked very stupid for a while there, seemingly unable to understand that gods are not God, and unable to show by your grammar that you do understand the difference. I'm impressed, very few atheists will refer to God as "God" rather than god or a god or gods.
Of course there is a lot I do not know. One thing I do know is God, and I know enough of Him to know He loves me and He loves you though He is angry with you for going against Him. I need to know more of Him and His love, and it's a growth process hindered in this world by my old sinful nature; spurred by His love and holiness drawing me to be like Him and with Him forever in Heaven. What I do not know is what I can scarcely begin to imagine...the promises of God, the good things laid up in Heaven for me, for those who love Him...good far beyond anything i can begin to imagine here.
If you cannot specifically refer to God, then you cannot specifically talk about God and you can only talk about what you do not know about. If you talk about God and refer to Him as God, you can talk about Him and know that you are talking about Him, and if you will be honest with Him you will find Him honest with you.
You suspect I do not know God only because you are afraid to know God, afraid to trust Him. I trust Him and know Him. He is more than happy to reveal Himself to all who seek Him honestly....and to do that, you have to admit that you have sinned against Him and deserve to die now.
God did not create you so that He could torture you, He created you so that you can be enjoyed by Him and you can enjoy being created by Him forever, thanking Him for creating you and giving you life which is eternal. What you have now is eternal dying and God wants to change that for you. it never ends in Hell if you will insist on going your own way; and God will have no pleasure in your torments which by your own preference of not knowing God you will suffer. He took on human form as the Son of God and died for you, paid your price so He is justified to forgive you while holding others in condemnation if they will not enter into agreement with Him regarding their need of His mercy. Trying to imply that God is not good if He allows people to remain in Hell forever will not get you off the hook. God created you forever, He gave you time (much more than you deserve) desiring that you come to Him for pardon to receive eternal life. Jesus is the one who died for you, and if you will not receive Him as your Savior He is justified to let you die for yourself and leave you in Hell forever. God is the God of Justice, and the God of Mercy. Right now you are under mercy facing justice. You need to secure pardon to have God's mercy forever and that pardon was bought and paid for by Him with His own blood in Jesus Christ who conquered death for all who will believe on Him and receive Him by faith.
You are indeed imitating puppet masters, you are saying the exact same things they said before you, the same things they taught you. Maybe you feel like you have cut the strings are are operating on your own but you are talking like a carbon copy of them.....trying to find ways to prove that God cannot be God because He is not good and if He is not good He cannot be God. It's a losing argument, it fails from the start yet for some reason never ends and does not listen to reason.
God created people, and all things, for Himself to enjoy. Some rebelled agaisnt Him and remain in rebellion against Him and God cannot enjoy them because they have to be separated from Heaven forever. God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked; because He is good justice must be served. He cannot deny Himself, so if He were to let you off the hook to be free of suffering (as in the atheistic hope of nothingness in death, or the existentialist hope of being excused for having no choice in being created, or the religious person's hope of beign good enough to be excused) He would not be good as you would have been created for nothign but death. God is good, He created you for life and He offers you eternal life through His death which He substituted for you so that by Him in His resurrection you can be forgiven if you will admit it is you who deserves His death and needs His mercy so He can and will give you His life if you will believe and ask Him for it.
Wow. It seems I've upset someone. Did you actually spend 30 minutes writing these replies? If so, that's 30 minutes of your life wasted, as I don't intend to waste my own time reading them. I'm not going to respond to any further posts you make here. Bye-Bye.
Not upset in the least, I enjoy trying to talk sense into somebody; especially when it seems they might be reasonable. I think ten minutes is the most I spend on any post, and the ones I have addressed to you were probably less than five......and this one maybe did go a bit over ten minutes but I enjoyed it if you like it or not.
The truth is simple to them who have understanding and I don't have to give much thought to the things I am saying, only enough to show that I am acknowledging your thoughts and trying to get you to think deeper.
Oh........well pardon me for thinking you might be better than most of the hateful atheists here. Toodly ooo.
I thought there was hope for you so I spent a little extra time trying to reason with you. If you want to be like that, fine, not my problem. You will be there on judgement day, so I say "see you later". You can say goodbye and that suits me fine, one less atheist on my back.
Why is your grammar sufficient to correctly capitalize the first letter of the first word of each new sentence, but you fail to capitalize God's name? Is it because you are talking about a god who is not God? Because you do not know my God, and you only know gods which are not good? Do you argue against those gods because you feel like they are no better than you, and you feel that if they can exist outside of Hell, you can exist outside of Hell? Do you feel powerful when you fight against gods, and do you feel like you are avoiding God by fighting against gods?
A god which is good to you is no better than a god which tortures you, because the intent of both of those gods is to keep you separated from God who would lovingly correct you or loving bless you as He sees fit for your own good....and you sure need some correction (we all do).
You need, for now, to be concerned about where you are going. Do you think that calling God "despicable" will cause Him to keep you from falling into Hell? Do you want people around you calling you "despicable"? You really think God is supposed to just ignore people who call Him "despicable" and let them remain outside of Hell? Heaven would be a stinky place like Earth if God were to be so weak as you seem to imply He should be.
You're a seventeen year old punk and there is nothing civil about what you are doing here. You're only fooling yourself if you think you are showing good manners and civility while you do nothing but insult God and those who trust in Him. Atheists are not capable of civil discourse when talking about God. I've listened to many of the best mannered and many of the worst like the ones here.....none of them are civil and few of them, like you, even try to pretend to be civil. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
I want to encourage you to continue acting stupid and proving that it would be simpler for atheists to say "I'm a fool". God can use your stupidity to get others to see the futility of their own stupidity. It's always good to see an atheist come to their senses and meet the Savior. God can use your stupidity, being a fool, to get others to see they deserve to burn in Hell the same as you. Your wrath can be used by God to bring Him praise.........so keep it up.
Please add some cussing and jack ass antics so maybe you will not sound like a fool, but rather you will sound like a devil monkey (or is that still a fool?)
You are not looking for "intellectual stimulation", you are just looking to flatter yourself. That's why you turn tailed and ran when you realized I'm not going to be impressed by your punky ways.
Dermit, you are dirty and no longer interest me enough for me to read your posts. Keep on trying to be free of God's rule and see if your efforts don't take you into the fire of Hell where you will fry like an eternal sausage.
Smoking the weed again buddy ? I think the bible is ok with that along with rape Incest , abortion , infanticide , extortion , slavery , torture etc ,etc
Thank you for your contribution. Please continue, say something else.......you are showing a great example of why it would be easier for atheists to just say "I'm a fool".
Dermot, you are on your way to Hell, I've told you enough how to be saved and you would rather fry like an eternal sausage in Hell....you are one of the nastiest bastards I have encountered and I want all of you nasty bastards to leave me alone.
Your place is not in my discussions. My place is reserved in Heaven and I will be there soon enough. Your place, as you stand in defiance against God, is in Hell and you will be there much too soon if you won't believe the gospel and trust in the Savior. If you will not have Him as your Savior, and I believe you will not, you will have Him as your judge and as God lives, as Jesus is God who lives, you will be you forever dying in the fire of Hell. You're a fool. Go on and try to prove me wrong and see where you end up if that's the way you feel you must go out....like a blooming firecracker.
Had enough of you, Dermit.....one time you acted like a human being with me when we went back and forth three or four times before you fell back into your typical mad devil monkey profane style. I feel sorry for you but I've done all I can do to get you to see God loves you and you can be saved from Hell and have eternal life in Heaven. You are free to go your own way and end up in Hell if you think it's worth it. Enjoy your time while you can, and when you can't enjoy it I hope you find some comfort while you can.
Maybe instead of acting so cocky you could actually try to use logic?
Atheists don't believe in god because there is a clear lack of proof, so they are not going to just assume that one exists.
(Personal anecdotes are incredibly weak evidence because it is dependent of the individual and there are people all around the world that have claimed to see a number of different gods/goddesses.)
Next time actually try to reach out to them, understand their reasoning and try to find a logical way to convince them. Then and only then will they actually care about the stuff you're spewing out of your mouth.
I don't know what you are talking about when you say "Atheists don't believe in god". I don't believe in god because I don't know what it is. Can you describe it to me?
This is why it is easier for an atheist to simply say "I'm a fool" than for them to try to express their beliefs. They can't even admit that gods are not God, and only God can be God, so they can't admit they don't know what they are talking about and all they can do is make fools of themselves and they can't be honest enough to admit it.
The truth is simple. God is there. Lies are complicated, that is why atheists always have to twist things in every direction. Your leaders are taking you to Hell, and they have taught you so well to follow them that you think you are leading yourself.....and God will hold you accountable for going your own way, and for all you have said and done with your time. If you were not a fool, you would prepare to meet your God because there is an appointment for you and you will be there.
Clearly you are the epitome of wisdom and humility.
When I refer to god I mean "(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being."
(http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/egomaniac)
Once again, stop acting cocky and actually prove your point. You are an egomaniac that assumes they don't have to prove anything because it is so obvious. It is not.
Any theist with a bit of sense realizes that this is a complicated issue, and therefore it needs to be discussed further. Please join them.
Hmmmmm........sounds like you are making double talk. You claim that god is the supreme being? So god is His name? If He is supreme, then shouldn't His name be capitalized, and correctly spelled "God"? If you say God is god, then you cannot be talking about a supreme being because god is a thing which is not denoted as a proper noun with it's name capitalized. The Supreme Being must be specific and above all others including me and you, and if you are talking about God you need to clarify yourself and spell His name correctly as "God" or you are using double talk to obscure meaning and shield yourself from objective standard as a way to avoid the truth of your inability to argue against God.
Nobody can prove the truth if you won't believe it. Of course to you I seem "cocky" because I know the truth and am not afraid to say so. Jesus Christ is the truth. The truth is simple. The only people who need indefinite further discussion are those who do not know the truth; those who really don't want to know the truth; those who want to avoid the truth.
You are trying to complicate things because you think you can use confusion as an excuse for sin.