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Should doctors be allowed to get WEALTHY off of your MISERY?
Yes, because no one else had the balls to do the job or is willing to, and they owe their labor to no one, but freely choose to give it. If someone is miserable, they are lucky anyone chooses to help them, and there are people who do. Thank them.
They should AT LEAST be able to recoup the cost of medical school. That should take a couple weeks..
So, capitalism forces trainee doctors into heavy debt. Capitalism forces patients into heavy debt. Capitalism forces hospitals to charge high prices to appease shareholders. Capitalism forces sick people to not go to the doctor. Seeing a common problem anywhere?
Thank goodness we have socialised medical education and medicine.
So, capitalism forces trainee doctors into heavy debt.
Ambition to be a doctor puts doctors in debt.
Capitalism forces patients into heavy debt.
Not really. Children can get free care, the elderly are on Medicare, the poor are on Medicaid, veterans get free care at the VA, and Natives get free care at Native hospitals.
Capitalism forces hospitals to charge high prices to appease shareholders.
Government healthcare costs you a giant terd in taxes whether you want it or even ever need serious care. And even with that there's no guarantee you are seen in time, especially if you aren't considered "high priority". And in the case of America, we have a doctor shortage. Paying them less by the government will insure rationing and poor care per having even less doctors than we have now.
Absolutely agree with you. There are lots of sacrifices that doctors make, be it personal or financial. Their lives are always stressed with ill patients and providing service to them 24x7. So if they are earning without obviously any malpractice, there is nothing wrong in that.
So if they are earning without obviously any malpractice, there is nothing wrong in that.
Here's something wrong with that.
Being greedy, shallow and motivated by money is not compatible with being caring, altruistic and kind. The latter are characteristics which are desirable in someone responsible for your health. The former are not characteristics which are desirable in someone responsible for your health.
According to the AAMC, the average cost of attendance for one year at a public medical school (including tuition, fees, and health insurance) was $34,592 for in-state students and $58,668 for out-of-state students in 2016–2017. Tuition and fees at a private school averages well over $50,000 a year regardless of whether you’re an in-state or out-of-state student. Unfortunately, public and private medical schools both increased costs from the previous years.
If libs don't like it, go to medical school, pay off your loans, and volunteer your services to the public for free or extremely cheap.
You use the doctors services to relieve the misery you’re suffering, if the fee is a problem don’t pay to see a doctor and suffer on in your misery , but don’t bitch about the cost after willfully paying for it.
Sounds like you’re green with envy that doctors make decent money why’s that?
Then the people you are electing don't share your view. They defend Islam, and you can watch and listen to these defenses all over Youtube.
Hello again, bront:
I'm NOT a Youtuber.. What I know about Youtube, is that you can find ANY yahoo saying ANY fucking thing you wanna hear.. Consequently, Youtube is NOT a good authority..
Nonetheless, I'd change my mind if you LINK me to a Youtube, where an elected Democrat is yelling, "GO, you Terrorists, GO"...
OR, are they patriotic Constitution loving Democrats, who, like ME, defend Muslims right to practice their religion in PEACE?
Sounds like you’re green with envy that doctors make decent money why’s that?
Hello Jody:
Please.. Words COUNT.. I didn't say "decent money".. I'm not against decent money at all.. In fact, I earn decent money myself.. Decent money is right and good.
What I said was, getting WEALTHY is NOT right and good.
Getting wealthy is DIFFERENT than earning "decent money", isn't it??? I COULD change words to win arguments, but that wouldn't be fair, would it???
In SUPER STUPID'S confused BASEMENT WORLD no one should become WEALTHY yet the INTERNET TROLL claims to be a BUSINESS OWNER ! Guess SUPER STUPID went into BUSINESS not to make MONEY but complain about those that make MONEY !
Doctors, like lawyers, profit off of other's misfortunes. In this country, it's called capitalism and it's legal. People should be able to profit off all legal activities.
To qualify as a doctor one must follow a long and expensive road which only the extremely intelligent and dedicated will be able or willing to follow to the journey's end.
Once qualified these elite members of our society find themselves in a position where demand outstrips supply, so they charge accordingly.
Supply and demand almost always dictates the price of any product/service.
It's disgusting we have people who are jealous of hard working successful Americans, and who want others to give them a free ride.
If people on the Left had a brain they would understand that Doctors would not spend eight years of College, live with a very stressful job affecting their family life, were there not a reward of wealth at the end of all that.
But then again, these Socialists would have to have some intellect.
It's disgusting we have people who are jealous of hard working successful Americans, and who want others to give them a free ride.
Hello From:
I'm sorry.. FOX News told you it's free.. I didn't.. If anybody is being deceptive, it's YOU.
My plan doesn't take a whole lot of intellect either.. It just takes math skills..
So, we start with what we already spend as a nation for health care.. It's around $3.5 trillion.. Then we SUBTRACT what we spend for the health INSURANCE industry, because my plan ENDS it. That's about $.5 trillion.. Then we SUBTRACT the amount we're gonna SAVE because we're gonna LOWER drug costs and that's another $.25 trillion savings.. Then we SUBTRACT the savings we get when we ONLY pay our doctors a decent living, and that's another $.25 trillion..
If everybody is covered for everything, there's NOTHING for an insurance company to do, so the ONLY job Medicare has, is writing checks.. That'll take a couple hundred people and'll cost about $5 million.
So, as you can SEE, my plan results in $1 trillion MORE going toward actual HEALTH care, that is NOT going towards it today. With the additional $1 trillion, we'll be able to cover everybody for everything, and buy a couple of aircraft carriers..
That means your health care, while NOT free, won't cost you a PENNY more than you're NOW paying.. You get that, right???
Shut up BOY and crawl back in your hole !!!!!!!!!!
Washington (AP) -- Sen. Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan would boost government health spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, requiring historic tax hikes, says a study released Monday by a university-based libertarian policy center.
That's trillion with a "T."
The latest plan from the Vermont independent would deliver significant savings on administration and drug costs, but increased demand for care would drive up spending, according to the analysis by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University in Virginia. Doubling federal individual and corporate income tax receipts would not cover the full cost, the study said.
Sanders' plan builds on Medicare, the popular insurance program for seniors. All U.S. residents would be covered with no copays and deductibles for medical services. The insurance industry would be relegated to a minor role.
"Enacting something like 'Medicare for all' would be a transformative change in the size of the federal government," said Charles Blahous, the study's author. Blahous was a senior economic adviser to former President George W. Bush and a public trustee of Social Security and Medicare during the Obama administration.
Who could make any SENSE of the PSYCHO BABBLE you just PUKED UP !!!!!!!
Hello poochy boy:
Yeah, it IS math after all.. I KNEW it would confuse you..
By the way, you DO know that every Medicare for All plan ISN'T the same, don't you??? Nahhh.. You DON'T know that.. Ain't nothing I can do about that..
You DUMB ASS BASTARD have you not heard the news ?????????
Medicare Will Be Insolvent by 2026, Government Report Warns. ... The financial condition of the government's bedrock retirement programs for middle- and working-class Americans remain shaky, with Medicare pointed toward insolvency by 2026.Apr 22, 2019
The financial condition of the government's bedrock retirement programs for middle- and working-class Americans remains shaky, with Medicare pointed toward insolvency by 2026, according to a report Monday by the government's overseers of Medicare and Social Security.
It paints a sobering picture of the programs, though it's relatively unchanged from last year's update. Social Security would become insolvent in 2035, one year later than previously estimated.
SUPER STUPID how does a INSOLVENT PLAN work ??????? You must have the answer to the question being you are BRILLIANT in the needs of healthcare for all Americans
You must have the answer to the question being you are BRILLIANT in the needs of healthcare for all Americans
Hello again, poochy boy:
For the second time, I explained EVERYTHING in my plan. It covers EVERYTHING you're inquiring about. I explained HOW the money comes in, and WHERE it's spent.. I also explained how it wouldn't cost you a PENNY more than you're paying now..
SUPER STUPID'S PLAN would only cost 10 trillion dollars over ten years. So DUMMY have YOU addressed the DEMORATS with the GREAT PLAN on HEALTHCARE you have for all AMERICANS ?????????
For you to actually believe all that non sense, then you have not been paying any attention to what politicians have done to every social program they create. These programs are in a constant state of insolvency.
What socialists ALWAYS miss, is that when they put income limits on jobs such as doctors, THESE DOCTORS WILL NO LONGER SPEND EIGHT YEARS IN COLLEGE FOR A STRESSFUL TIME CONSUMING JOB. Why can't you grasp common sense?
This is why there are shortages of doctors in Canada, and why they have long waiting lists to get into to see Doctors.
If it were so affordable and easy to implement your healthcare plan, it would have long ago been done. Remember when Democrats had control of Congress and the White house for the first two years of Obama's Presidency?
Why did they pass the pathetic Obamacare (without one GOP vote) if they could have done what you say.
It is disgusting we have proffessional Christians like you, who care more about money, than you do poor people who need healthcare. You don't care about anything but your fucking wallet.
I believe that women can have an abortion as long as the fetus is not viable. When I believe personhood begins, is really none of your business, as long as I support a woman's right to choose, THAT is what matters. So to so sum this up: Once the fetus has brainwaves, I am PERSONALLY OPPOSED, but PROCHOICE!
You support killing viable babies every time you vote for Democrats. That is purely evil
God supported killing his own son. You are purely a nonsensical hypocrite who rages all day every day about a single topic like a broken record player. You throw around subjective words like "evil" because your arguments all defy reason and appealing to emotion is the only thing you know how to do. Like all deceivers.
Pro slavery people in the Democrat Party spewed the same self serving rhetoric as you. They said anti slavery people raged every day about one single topic.
I guess the rhetoric is always the same when it comes to the Left justifying inhumanity.
I am telling you that your vote says it all about who you are and the evil you support.
Hello From:
I dunno... SOME right wingers are pro-choice. You know that, right? There's a couple of 'em in the Senate.. Why is it, that when you vote for right wingers, YOU'RE not supporting EVIL??
I'm truly trying to keep you off my ban list, but if you persist on denying the obvious, then it wastes my time.
I have always admitted there were just a couple GOP Senators who did not vote for the GOP 20 week limit late term abortion Bill, and only a couple Democrats who voted for the Bill.
I would NEVER vote for those two GOP Senators who voted against the Bill and would not hold it against you if you voted for the two Democrats who voted for the Bill.
You of course know we are not talking about those couple Senators who have no sway on the outcome. We are talking about the vast vast majority of Democrats who support No Restriction abortions, and the vast vast majority of Republicans who are against No Restriction abortions.
Those are the Democrats you would have no problem voting for, as with all the Democrats running for President who also want to end the Hyde Amendment.
This is the type of deception I hate and will not waste time with.
You don't have the right to dictate my vocting choices, or compare me to Nazis....................................................................................
In Spain a doctor earns around 3-4k a month. It's enough to be comfortable but not what you would call rich. Yet there are still far far more places to study at medical school than applicants. So your theory is wrong. We can see that even when doctors earn a lot less money, there are still enough people wanted to do it.