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Debate Score:167
Arguments:133
Total Votes:171
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Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?

Don’t expect to have it your way today at some fast-food restaurants across the country.

Workers at the nation’s best known fast-food restaurants in seven cities across America are planning to walk off the job Monday to protest what they say are wages that are too low to live on. In a move orchestrated with the help of powerful labor unions and clergy groups, the workers plan to strike for a day to demand their wages be doubled.



The Washington Post reports that the protests will take place in New York City, Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Kansas City, and Flint, Mich., involving workers at McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's and KFC. Some employees at stores including Dollar Tree, Macy's and Victoria's Secret are also expected to join the protesters in several cities.


The workers are calling for wages of $15 per hour, more than double New York's current minimum wage of $7.25

Yes

Side Score: 77
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No

Side Score: 90
3 points

Without employees, a company can't very well run. They're not going to get fifteen an hour because in this economy, people'd suck dick to get a job at Mickey Dee's, but the average worker deserves more pay. They're the foundation of the company that hired them. They do all of the pain in the ass menial day-to-day tasks that nobody else up the proverbial foodchain wants to do. I'm not saying they should be treated like royalty or have outrageous salaries, but fifteen bucks an hour isn't outrageous by any means.

Side: Yes
2 points

Hard work is hard work, and people who do hard work deserve to be paid well. It doesn't matter if this hardwork involves going to college or not.

Side: Yes
2 points

I am feeling defeated here. And not because I regard the arguments against my position as more valid than mine, but because the elitist attitude is just so rampant.

No one wants to speak up for workers who are underpaid. It seems that for SO many people, feeling good about their station in life depends on an ability to regard others as more lowly and less deserving.

Side: Yes
1 point

If you don't like a free market, move somewhere else. I believe in safety standereds for workers though and no child labor.

Side: No
atypican(4874) Disputed
1 point

If you don't like a free market, move somewhere else.

Negotiating for higher pay is not contrary to the free market.

I believe in safety standereds for workers though and no child labor.

That's nice, I believe that companies THAT CAN afford to pay their employees a decent wage, should.

Side: Yes
1 point

I think it would be cool if people realized that since they are doing the lionshare of the work they ought to be paid fairly. The desire to make a killing off of other peoples labor needs to be seen for what it is and people need to recognize their value, and refuse to work for companies that won't. And this bullshit about unskilled labor, to learn how to do a job well is a skill, and hard work should pay well.

Maybe they shouldn't walk off but instead work at a 7.25/hr pace :)

Side: Yes
Cartman(18191) Disputed
1 point

I learned how to say "you want fries with that" a very long time ago. It is not a difficult concept, you know speaking.

Side: No
atypican(4874) Disputed
2 points

I have had all sorts of different jobs and fast food work is demanding in it's own way. Just because a job is not intellectually demanding doesn't mean it should be extremely low pay. Where the fuck does this idea come from?

Side: Yes
1 point

To insist on higher pay, you must be willing to walk .

Side: Yes
1 point

I remember the time I told my employer that I needed 5$ more an hour if they wanted me to stay. I highly recommend that people grow a pair and demand a fair wage for the amount of work they do in consideration for how much revenue they bring in.

Side: Yes
Intangible(4933) Clarified
2 points

I remember the time I told my employer that I needed 5$ more an hour if they wanted me to stay.

What happened? Did he or she give you higher pay?

Side: Yes
atypican(4874) Clarified
1 point

They gave me the raise. I was really expecting them to try their luck hiring someone new. As it turns out.... standing up for what you are worth is respected by good employers.

Side: Yes
1 point

Seriously, It would be awesome to watch what would happen if Mcdonalds just agreed to pay 15$/hr to it's employees. The stores would shine, the service would be excellent, and everyone would learn that paying the least amount possible to your employees is a lame way to run a company.

Side: Yes
AbbyNestor(1028) Disputed
1 point

Even if employee service increases for the better the local business will lose profit that they should be using to improve upon their products. Paying the employees more will not always grant the company better services. This is why the product is of much importance.

Side: No
1 point

If the minimum wage had kept pace with its relative high in the late 1960s, it would now be more than $10 an hour when adjusted for inflation, according to the National Employment Law Project.

The minimum wage of $1.60 an hour in 1968 would be $10.74 in 2013 when adjusted for inflation. Proof below.

Facts my friends, facts is the only truth.

Supporting Evidence: CPI Inflation Calculator (www.bls.gov)
Side: Yes
1 point

Prejudice upon fast-food workers that they are lack of professional skills is perhaps the very barricade which keeps us from recognizing their efforts. It is never easy to encounter every different customer with unconditional smile. We need to compensate for their huge contribution to our convenience.

Side: Yes

It is awful how fast food workers are waiting on people all day long for a pittance. They certainly deserve $15 an hour.

Side: Yes

This will on result in less employment and bad service with higher prices.

Side: No
atypican(4874) Disputed
1 point

If people refuse to work for companies that don't pay them equitably considering the amount of profit the company makes on a daily basis, these companies will be forced to become better employers and the quality of service will go up because employees will value their position more. If the people at the top want top be stingy with those doing most of the work...fuck em.

Side: Yes
3 points

Each McDonald's is locally owned but nationally directed by corporate, so most of the profit is localized. Corporate really makes profit on franchise fees and what not. There is not as much money as you think.

If these people want to earn more money, they have to strive for self betterment and obtain more skills and knowledge. These positions don't require many skills, so any increase in wages will result other people accepting lower wages.

Side: No
1 point

If they are forced to raise wages to $15 per hour, they will fire all the people who made it happen and hire people who are actually worth $15 dollars per hour.

And then yes, the quality of service would rise, along with the prices.

Side: No
PrayerFails(11163) Clarified
1 point

EDIT: ONLY .

Side: Yes
4 points

If they want more money maybe they should try to do a better job... try to be friendlier and not fuck up people's orders. The better employees get more hours, better reviews which means bigger raises and the opportunity for advancement to management.

Side: No
atypican(4874) Disputed
1 point

I know from my experience as an employer that it's better to pay the highest wage you can so the job is desirable. Employees who can't perform up to par should be let go. Those who can shouldn't have to play the fucking waiting game. Good workers deserve a good wage. All else should be let go.

Side: Yes
Hellno(17756) Disputed
3 points

I know from my experience as an employer that it isn't that simple. I hire people at rates based on their experience. I can't afford to hire some 16 year old at a higher rate only to discover they suck and have to go through the long process of written warnings etc that it takes to terminate them. 16 year olds are not supporting families, they're getting their foot in the door of the workforce while attending school and college... if they do a good job they can receive a positive letter of reference from their employer when they graduate.

Side: No
3 points

It makes me sad how entitled people are, fast-food work doesn't require any special skills. With so many people unemployed, those positions will be filled overnight, walk-offs only work if you will be missed.

Side: No
atypican(4874) Disputed
1 point

It makes me sad how entitled people are

People are entitled to negotiate for higher pay

fast-food work doesn't require any special skills

But it is physically demanding and stressful. Jobs that are demanding should pay well

With so many people unemployed, those positions will be filled overnight, walk-offs only work if you will be missed.

Boy do I remember what it's like to be treated like a replaceable cog as opposed to a person. Kudos to those brave enough to say "fuck that"

Side: Yes
1 point

Jobs are not paid according to how physically demanding they are. They are paid according to a combination of the actual value of the job, the supply of labor available, and the demand for said labor.

In the fast food industry, the actual value of the labor is the only thing that might merit an increase, given that these companies tend to enjoy generous profit margins. But the fact of the matter is that the supply of labor for this type of work far outstrips the actual demand for labor; thats one of the consequences of the level of employment we have right now.

Also consider that just about every industry employs or makes use of minimum wage workers somewhere along the line. Raising the minimum wage to $15/hour means that, in order to maintain profit margins and keep the shareholders happy, layoffs will be required, and the remaining employees will have to be significantly more productive. This means more unemployment. The other possibility is a significant increase in prices across the board, but that won't fly; it'll mean lost sales, meaning that the layoffs and overworking of the remainder will still be required. Realistically? It will mean more people illegally employed and paid under the table.

When you're doing unskilled work, you really ARE a replaceable cog in a machine. It seems harsh to put it that way, but thats what it is. If you want to be something more than a replaceable cog in the machine, you need to increase your value as an employee and seek employment in a job market that has requirements beyond "show up to work mostly sober."

Side: No
3 points

Not just fast food workers, everyone needs a minimum wage increase. Now I still think 15 is a little high for something you can learn accidentally. I mean honestly my sister was working in a fast food place once, I was there to get her ( a little early) so she called me back to wait. I got tired of waiting and started helping the staff, with orders and cleaning.

Side: No
atypican(4874) Disputed
1 point

Not just fast food workers, everyone needs a minimum wage increase.

It costs so much more for everything these days....Businesses that can't pay their employees well should close up shop.

It depends on the place of course but fast food work can be quite demanding. Why is it so hard for people to realize that people who work hard deserve to be paid well?

Side: Yes

Why is it so hard for people to realize that people who work hard deserve to be paid well?

Simple because they don't care. Won't never know the end result unless someone steps up and tries something.

Side: Yes
Quocalimar(6469) Disputed
1 point

Are you in favor of people doing a job that requires practically no knowledge being paid as much as someone who has to go to college for 4 years?

Side: No
thousandin1(1931) Clarified
1 point

We have a capitalist economy. In capitalism, market forces, eg. supply and demand, dictate prices. This is not limited to consumer goods, but also to wages.

You aren't paid according to how hard you work in any sector. You are paid at a rate that is largely dictated by the comparative supply of and demand for labor of that kind. Unskilled labor gets little pay because anybody can do it. Professions that require a significant amount of training have a far more limited pool of labor to draw from.

You can hate it and rail against it, but that's just how it is. In a capitalist society, nobody gets ahead without standing on somebody elses shoulders. Unfortunately, it's the best system we've managed to come up with...

Side: Yes
3 points

No...oh no!

Side: No
atypican(4874) Disputed
1 point

Why....why not ?

Side: Yes
addltd(5140) Clarified
2 points

Because fast food will end up costing more than grocery store food. If that happens, there will be less demand for fast food and many of the chains will go away...it will have the opposite affect on grocery items which the higher demand will drive higher prices ultimately leading people back to fast food which will have fewer choices and less competition so the fast food prices will be artificially high.

Side: Yes
2 points

Increasing the minimum wage will just cause unemployment and higher prices. No one would really benefit so no, workers should be paid based on their skill level and what they produce.

Side: No
atypican(4874) Disputed
1 point

I don't think there should be a minimum wage, but I think people should be more comfortable insisting on pay increases. If you are getting paid poorly...by all means...work poorly.

Side: Yes
Intangible(4933) Disputed
2 points

If you are getting paid poorly...by all means...work poorly.

And get fired.

Side: No
Troy8(2431) Disputed
2 points

I don't think there should be a minimum wage

I agree.

I think people should be more comfortable insisting on pay increases.

What do you mean? Are people uncomfortable with it right now?

If you are getting paid poorly...by all means...work poorly.

Which gets you fired. I guess if someone believes they can get higher pay somewhere else for their same skill set, they can go for it.

Side: No

That would be a loss in local franchise profit. This isn't really that much of a good idea.

Side: No
2 points

Oh give me a break! $15 an hour to hand out hamburgers... and half of the time they don't even get my order right.

Side: No
atypican(4874) Disputed
1 point

15$/hr is the new 5$/hr

It's not even worth showing up for much less. You'd do better panhandling and getting on foodstamps.

Side: Yes
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
1 point

I wouldn't even make $15/hr doing certain construction jobs. Why should fast food employees make more?

Side: No
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
1 point

You do realize that working at a fast food restaurant was never meant to be a career, right? They are entry-level jobs designed mainly for teenagers.

Side: No

And the actually company obtain less money? Heavens no!

Side: No
4 points

The company will not want to lose money. Either the company deals with it and takes the hit, they hire less workers, they raise prices. 2 of those 3 options don't look great for the consumer.

Side: No
atypican(4874) Disputed
1 point

Consumers would eat healthier and spend elsewhere for food...nothing wrong with that

Retraunts that pay their employees well are an all around better value.

Side: Yes
atypican(4874) Disputed
1 point

It would be cool to see "non-chain" mom and pop fast food joints take over the abandoned buildings :)

Side: Yes

And think about...where are those other workers going to go? I mean they are already near the bottom of the barrel working at fast food joints. Do they honestly have any more options?

Side: No
1 point

People willing and able to work can always find work . Workers can say as they walk..."Shitty jobs are easy to find, why should I be loyal to this one!"

Side: Yes
Intangible(4933) Disputed
1 point

Considering their problem is getting paid low amounts for work that requires low skill and they are asking for 15$/hr wage for said job.

I mean even small construction jobs are only 9-10.50$/hr and that takes a bit more skill

If they suck it up and realize what they are asking for is kind of silly then yah. So you're right.

Side: No
1 point

15 dollars an hour for working at McDonalds? Not to mention the country would go broke, but, for working at McDonalds?

Heh heh heh heh heh heh

Side: No
atypican(4874) Disputed
1 point

The country wouldn't go broke if upper management took a pay cut.

Try frequenting restaurants that treat their employees better. It's a much better experience. If there wasn't so much money being funneled away by CEO's and upper management, it would be easy for a fast food restaurant like Mcdonalds to pay the employees 20$/hr. there would not need to be a price increase and the atmosphere would be way better.

Side: Yes
DevinSeay(1120) Disputed
1 point

But isn't that Capitalism?

There are more factors to it then just CEOs taking pay cuts. A lot of red tape to go through. Sadly, it will never happen.

Not to mention what about the people that is out there that have skill? Electricians, truck drivers, engineers, etc should make way more then then average McDonald's worker.

It would need a massive overhaul, not just pay cuts for upper management.

Side: No
1 point

Such US AGAINST THEM politics. You should learn more about the economics.

Side: No

I'm tired of hearing about how people should be paid for how hard they work. I worked fast food, and it was stressful, but it wasn't all that productive. More productive jobs pay better. Fast food is easy.

If I owned a fast food joint and I was forced to raise my wages. Most of my current employees would be out on their asses so that I could hire people who are worth the pay.

Side: No
1 point

Absolutely not. Every time an employer raises pay, he has to raise prices. He also has to lower hours or lay workers off, because there's less money from customers. Then shipping costs would go up. Then fuel costs. In the end, no body benefits.

Side: No

No, it's called a free market. I believe in labor laws but, this is just bullshit. McDonals would then have to fire half their staff and they would have to raise the price for fastfood.

Side: No

If they want to increase inflation....

Side: No