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Yeah, love is love Nope, they will poison kids
Debate Score:22
Arguments:21
Total Votes:23
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Should gay people be allowed to adopt?

Sexuality is meant to be binary. 

We are all born with an assigned persuasion.

 

The more we learn about psychology, the more the idea of predetermination seems silly. 

So much of human development seems to be a mix of nature and nurture. 

So many of our choices, seem to put us on a spectrum. 

Sexuality could well be something that is fluid and dynamic and exists on a spectrum. 

This doesnt make straight people gay or vice versa, it just means that sexuality isnt simply a binary thing.

If this is the case, then theres no reason to think having two gay people raise a kids, wont influence or affect their outlook and the way they express themselves and understand human relations. 

 

Having two dads, is a seriously questionable role model for a young boy. 

 

Do you aggree with it, or not. 

Yeah, love is love

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Nope, they will poison kids

Side Score: 5
2 points

If they're rich, they can adopt me.

Side: Yeah, love is love
1 point

I hate to be voting on this side (since "love is love" is one of the worst arguments in favor of same-sex couples).

Sexuality could well be something that is fluid and dynamic and exists on a spectrum.

This doesnt make straight people gay or vice versa, it just means that sexuality isnt simply a binary thing.

If this is the case, then theres no reason to think having two gay people raise a kids, wont influence or affect their outlook and the way they express themselves and understand human relations.

The first problem is that you give no evidence to prove that sexuality is both a spectrum and fluid throughout an individual's lifetime.

Your second problem is that you assume that sexuality is not an inborn trait, but rather something that can be attained. You provide no proof for this claim.

Side: Yeah, love is love
johnny5(135) Disputed
1 point

was arguing its a mixture of nature and nurture. sexuality has become progressively more fluid and dynamic in our understanding over the last 50 years. homosexuality used to be a mental illness. now we have straight girls kissing on tv, bisexuality is the fastest growing preference, and fluid sexuality is an established theory.

Side: Nope, they will poison kids
pakicetus(1455) Disputed
1 point

For such an established theory you sure are failing to give out any proof of it.

Side: Yeah, love is love

I think gays should so be allowed to adopt. It would solve the problem of unwanted children. A gay family is way more awesome than being all alone.

Side: Yeah, love is love
1 point

So if two fathers will make a son homosexual why does two heterosexual parents not ensure a heterosexual child.

The problem with this "no gays adopting" b.s. is that there's never any logic behind it. Even if two homosexual parents would ensure a homosexual child, what is wrong with that?

Side: Yeah, love is love
johnny5(135) Disputed
1 point

no one made that argument, however a lot of kids have grown up in a bad way, because their straight parents influenced them against their own nature.

Side: Nope, they will poison kids
DrawFour(2662) Disputed
1 point

So if anything you are making an argument against heterosexual parents entirely. That's smart...

Side: Yeah, love is love
1 point

Sure.. if you're gonna act like you don't care if they're gay, then why should you care if the children end up being gay?

I know its a fucked up argument but it seems to be an over shadowed one. Saying that it would potentially make the kids gay, well if you don't care about the parents being gay, why would you care if the kids are?? And don't tell me all children will turn gay because ( I don't need to explain how silly that is).

Side: Yeah, love is love
johnny5(135) Disputed
1 point

Consenting adults.

Its not important to me why people are gay. They are grown ups and have freedom of association. Kids are not and do not, in the same way.

Side: Nope, they will poison kids
Jungelson(3954) Disputed
1 point

Ugh, speaking from experience ( not to be an exhibitionist just for the sake of this debate) you don't become gay when you're an adult it's just something in you. Surroundings don't effect the amount of a certain hormone being produced by your body, or the way that you perceive attractiveness ( to such an extent that it changes your sexuality).

Basically, being gay isn't a choice or something you acquire when you get older, from the moment you're born, you either are or aren't. And don't say "no a child cant be gay" because children aren't straight either, who has ever heard of a child having sexual feelings for another, regardless of gender. What I'm saying is that whether or not you have straight or gay parents, it won't influence your sexuality because it's already decided. I mean come on, if you say gay parents will have gay children, why don't all straight parents have straight children?

Side: Yeah, love is love

A Loving home is a loving home.. Regardless of two moms or two dads.. Kids get screwed up from men and women who fight and divorce.. The ideal of a child becoming gay because of the situation around them, is BS. Study's are starting to finally show that we are born stright or gay. Straight parents have gay children every day.

Side: Yeah, love is love

There are numerous children of varying ages awaiting adoption- already more than there are families looking to adopt. It seems like a no-brainer; living in orphanages or being bounced around in the foster system simply cannot be construed as being preferable to being raised by homosexuals.

Of course, it doesn't just end there- there is a significant overlap between the populations of "opposed to gay rights" and "pro-life." The current number of families seeking to adopt is lower than the current number of children seeking adoption- you honestly think you can dump hundreds of thousands to millions more children into that system and have them all adopted WITHOUT allowing gay couples to adopt some of them?

Fundamentally speaking, you can't have it both ways. Not for moral reasons, but for mathematical reasons. The numbers just aren't there. Gay couples, who face barriers to having children of their own biologically, and children put up for adoption, whos biological parents either cannot or will not support them, would seem to be a pretty ideal match- unless you're a bigot, of course.

Side: Yeah, love is love
1 point

You all make some good points. I dont know. My knee jerk reaction is against such a thing, but then I dont run society and I can see the arguments for it too. Kids need role models and right or wrong, sexuality is part of that.

Im not a fan of people who deride liberals, but this philosophy does have its limits and usually they centre around the concept of competent consent, and consenting adults. A child by definition is not part of that construct.

So... do we act like it has no moral or role model bearing on the child? Also, is it not the price of homosexuality by definition - ie you dont have kids with another man or woman?

Its a good question, and I think it should be earnestly debated as such.

Side: Yeah, love is love

It is been proven that gay parents do better at parenting that straight parents, so there is that.

Side: Yeah, love is love
Satori(39) Clarified
1 point

I won't dispute, but Source please? Thank you in advance.

Side: Yeah, love is love
1 point

Nah makes kid confused and make them have mixed feelings about gender.

Side: Nope, they will poison kids
Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

How do you explain all of the kids who end up with mixed feelings who are raised by 2 straight people?

Side: Yeah, love is love
1 point

Woah, that's perfect ....

Side: Yeah, love is love
1 point

Mixed feelings about gender? The horror !!!

Side: Nope, they will poison kids
DrawFour(2662) Disputed
1 point

Any evidence? I'm asking this question mostly rhetorically hence the reason I'm disputing and not clarifying, but by all mean if you actually do have proof show it to me.

Side: Yeah, love is love