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64
Yes, they're out of place. No, let them enjoy themselves
Debate Score:113
Arguments:116
Total Votes:129
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 Yes, they're out of place. (43)
 
 No, let them enjoy themselves (53)

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Should gays have separate changing rooms?

Gays and lesbians should have their own separate changing rooms in public places such as gyms and sporting facilities generally. It it noticed that gay men seem to linger in the changing area more than most everyone else and their presence makes some members uncomfortable. I'm sure the same goes for females. 

Yes, they're out of place.

Side Score: 49
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No, let them enjoy themselves

Side Score: 64
2 points

I feel very uncomfortable when there is a gay in the locker room with me. I see him look at other men in the locker room and it gives me the creeps. I sewer he will never look at me in the locker room. I have my locker far away from his.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
1 point

That sounds like you need your own locker room, not one for those who aren't you.

Side: No, let them enjoy themselves
Godisall(11) Disputed
1 point

There's more straights than gays in are locker room so the gay one should have to go. It's not just me that don't want him in the locker room but most don't want him in our locker room.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
1 point

Uh-Huh.

I think that really you're just mad because the Gay guy is not looking at you--and you see him checking out other dudes so you're all like "What's the matter with me that he doesn't look at me?" So you come one here and post an "anti-Gay" rant, when really what you'd like is for him to check ya out, and move a few lockers closer.

Hey--come on, it's OK. You can tell us. It's cool, we won't tell.

LOL

Side: No, let them enjoy themselves
Godisall(11) Disputed
2 points

You are evil. please stay away from me with your disgustingness. Please ask God for his forgiveness.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

If I caught you talking to my child like this, I might lose my composure and break your face. You would be swallowing your teeth or spitting them out if you have any teeth left in your mouth after you have practiced being an idiot all your life. Most people like you have lost a lot of teeth...idiots who don't deserve to have teeth from God.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
1 point

Good for you. Don't buy into the lies of what good people they are. They are perverts and they want your mind to be twisted to support them or join them, to be afraid to say what they are doing is creepy.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
1 point

So good to hear a young person speak up and be honest about the creepiness of perverts. Don't compromise for them, they have perverted sexual feelings and desires and they do dirty things which make them miserable people who spend their lives trying to convince themselves that they are ok.......and don't do anything that might land you in prison because they will rape you there. Good you can have enough space to stay away from the pervert in the locker room...it's not like that in prison....and no, I have never been in prison but it's no secret what goes on in those places.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
1 point

You truly reveal your ignorance and fascism by calling anybody who has different sexual preferences than you a "pervert."

BTW: are you a a Christian? You should go over to the religion thread. I got some good stuff over there about the perversity of Christianity. The Bible. Jesus. And even St. Paul. (Jeez, yet another dude who's called "saint" but is really most unworthy of that title.) LOL.

I think you'd like some of the links I provided about Jesus being gay.

And who knows? You might even learn something!

LOL.

Side: No, let them enjoy themselves
Diaboliklove(12) Disputed
1 point

Why should I have to separate myself from someone who behaving inappropriately? It's almost similar to the situation of registered sex offenders.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
1 point

Yes, sodomite changing rooms should be on islands where nobody has to rub elbows with them if they don't want to.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
1 point

Hey, I found something that we agree about! I don't personally believe that homosexuality is right.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

It's wrong. It's plain wrong, always has been wrong, always will be wrong. Wrong is wrong and one's personal beliefs can't change wrong into right. God made us male and female for a lifetime bond in marriage. Using one's sexuality for anything less than what God made it for is wrong....perverting, twisting what is good into something evil which goes against God......and all the STD's in the world are the consequence of ignoring God's law for marriage in preference of abusing one's body for sexual gratification.

Side: No, let them enjoy themselves
1 point

Well, let's see.

Why are there separate changing rooms for men and women? Because, people are usually uncomfortable, when around strangers of the opposite sex - precisely because these strangers are, or could be, sexually attracted to them.

The situation gets even worse, when straight people are in the same dressing room with gays. Because, not only are the gays potentially attracted to the straights, - straight people find that fact repulsive (unlike in the case of men and women in the same dressing room). So, that would be even more discomforting to the straight people (which also happen to be the vast majority).

So, it would indeed make sense to have separate dressing rooms for gays.

Of course, this logic only holds true for countries where gays are "accepted" and celebrate their "coming out" BS.

Otherwise, there is no need for such arrangements.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.

Or maybe heterosexuals can realize that all people who aren't straight aren't super into them.

It is my prediction that bathrooms at least will become genderless with individualized privacy. Not sure about changing rooms, but think about it: why do we separate genders?

To prevent people from being sexually aroused by those they see? There's no way to verify sexual orientation, and trying to enforce that would be clear discrimination. And as gender identity has become more fluid, it's hard to separate gender into two sectors that way.

Side: No, let them enjoy themselves
Antrim(1297) Disputed
2 points

I disagree that such separate facilities could be interpreted as discriminatory. In fact the provision of such an amenity should be interpreted by gays and lesbians as a thoughtful recognition of their deviant sexual orientation, all of whom seem to place great importance on 'coming out' and advertising their condition. If they did perceive such a move to be discriminatory then that would raise the strong probability that the feminist brigade could claim sexual discrimination for not being allowed into the men's changing rooms and/or men claiming discrimination for being barred from the female changing areas. I feel that the concerns of heterosexuals who feel uncomfortable, or maybe even threatened by the presence of these ''deviants'' should be seriously considered.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
1 point

I disagree that such separate facilities could be interpreted as discriminatory.

Well, me finding it discriminatory clearly proves you wrong. xD

In fact the provision of such an amenity should be interpreted by gays and lesbians as a thoughtful recognition of their deviant sexual orientation, all of whom seem to place great importance on 'coming out' and advertising their condition.

While many do find it important to have pride in their history, it doesn't mean that they should be separated from and isolated from others. Should blacks have felt proud to have their own water fountains and bathrooms?

I feel that the concerns of heterosexuals who feel uncomfortable, or maybe even threatened by the presence of these ''deviants'' should be seriously considered.

Of course it can be considered. And I have provided a solution: individualized privacy. If someone feels 'threatened' or uncomfortable, they should (and do) have places to go with additional privacy.

But who's to say a gay person wouldn't get uncomfortable with another gay person looking at them? Giving them their own changing room simply takes the problem off of you, and forces only gay people to deal with it. That seems pretty discriminatory to me.

Additionally, your premise is completely impractical. How do you verify someone's sexuality? How do you enforce this?

Side: No, let them enjoy themselves
1 point

I disagree that such separate facilities could be interpreted as discriminatory.

Well was it discriminatory when we separated black people from white people? If you find that separating blacks from white is discriminatory then how do you not see the same for gays?

In fact the provision of such an amenity should be interpreted by gays and lesbians as a thoughtful recognition of their deviant sexual orientation, all of whom seem to place great importance on 'coming out' and advertising their condition.

Because they don't give a fuck about what others think about their sexual orientation... Well some of them... Also this isn't 100% true. I go to school with gay kids and they have tried everything to hide it. It wasn't until just recently we discovered they were gay. I found nothing wrong with their orientation but a lot of kids did. Let's just hope soon it will be seen as a natural part of society and they won't have to hide it.

If they did perceive such a move to be discriminatory then that would raise the strong probability that the feminist brigade could claim sexual discrimination for not being allowed into the men's changing rooms and/or men claiming discrimination for being barred from the female changing areas.

I personally believe we should have one large genderless restroom that is filled with large stalls for people of all sexes to use.

I feel that the concerns of heterosexuals who feel uncomfortable, or maybe even threatened by the presence of these ''deviants'' should be seriously considered.

What makes you think that all gays are checking out the straights and/or other gays?

Side: No, let them enjoy themselves
TheCapConKid(293) Clarified
1 point

Actually it is possible to tell sexual orientations. But who would want to be tested like a lab animal?

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
pirateelfdog(2655) Clarified
1 point

Well, it is, but how do you make sure that only people of one sexual orientation are going into a locker room?

Side: Yes, they're out of place.

Aside from everything wrong with this idea, how do you plan on enforcing it? Installing "gaydar" to the entrance of every locker room?

Side: No, let them enjoy themselves
Antrim(1297) Clarified
2 points

As I feel it would be wrong to forcibly corral the ''deviants' into their own exclusive changing rooms the use of the facility would be used only by those gays/lesbians wishing to take advantage of the amenity provided for them. Whilst it is not always possible to distinguish between sexual 'deviants' and heterosexuals they can regularly be identified and anyone who is clearly sexually abnormal and seen using the locker rooms for regular members should be questioned about their motives for doing so just in the same way a male would be if he used the female changing facilities. In this day and age of gay openness, gay tolerance, gay acceptance, gay pride, gay rights, gay parades, and all that jazz the 'deviants' should not take offence at the entrance door of their 'special area' being displayed as, 'Changing room for gay men' and changing room for lesbians''. If they're so proud of their condition then they should rejoice at the existence of such a ''special place'' and take great ''pride'' in being seen using what was provided for them.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Good answer, and very well written...full of common sense. Sodomites should be happy they are in America where they can't legally be thrown from the windows of tall buildings like they can be in Muslim countries....well, maybe it's illegal in Muslim countries, but nobody is going to stop those bloodthirsty murderers who use their woman and children as human shields. If Muslims ever dominate America like they say they are going to do, there will be a lot of dead sodomites since the idiots came out of the closet and paraded their pride with their faces painted to get attention.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
0 points

...which is why black people were overjoyed to have "whites only" and "blacks only" bathrooms.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.

I think instead of having a separate changing room for gays, maybe we should have a separate changing rooms for idiots like you.

Side: No, let them enjoy themselves
1 point

That would work...separate changing rooms where perverts are not allowed.

Side: No, let them enjoy themselves
1 point

Well, you have an option for that already. There are plenty of bathroom stalls available just about everywhere where you are free to change if you feel uncomfortable.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
1 point

Yeah. I think Hitler proposed something like that.

So looks like you and your kind are in good company!

You know: the dipshit confederation!

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Yes, you can go in the changing room for sodomites and call me an idiot for staying out of it and going to a safer place to change.....and because of your statements here, you will never be allowed in that safer changing room.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
1 point

And because of your statement here, you will forever be a documented idiot.

Side: No, let them enjoy themselves
0 points

The problem with this idea is that you'd be placing them with the opposite gender and that's logically impossible in anything other than pairs.

Side: No, let them enjoy themselves
Antrim(1297) Clarified
2 points

To clarify my question I would explain that I meant one changing room for gay men, and one separate room for lesbian women.

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
instig8or(3308) Disputed
1 point

Makes no sense. It's like putting a straight guy with a ton of straight women. Don't you see?

Side: Yes, they're out of place.
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Prison is a great changing room for gay men. Why not let all the sodomites go in there and change?

Side: Yes, they're out of place.