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Debate Score:20
Arguments:19
Total Votes:21
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Should gifted students study separately from non-gifted students?

Yes

Side Score: 9
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No

Side Score: 11

They have different paces of learning. And which country are you from?

Side: Yes

Yes they should. Some people actually prefer being with gifted students due to the increase in competition. But there are more detrimental effects in that scenario. An example would be a group work. Average students tend to let the gifted ones do the work thus becoming lazy and passive to school. It also somewhat brings down the gifted students since they have no competition and may tend to be lazy as well. If for an example there is this star section in which all gifted students are in, then they may bring the best through each other through competing with grades or the like. The average students tend to work harder and step up to the challenge of school since they have no one gifted to rely on.

Side: Yes
1 point

If education fails to encourage students to learn by any other means than competition for grades there is also an unavoidable problem. Provided the student is an adult that has no true willingness to learn he shouldn't be in school anyway. Competition for grades causes people to study like maniacs before exams only to forget everything the following day.

Side: No
1 point

Competition for grades is not only about studying like maniacs. It somewhat brings the best out of the students since they don`t go to school to be slacking but to learn. Consider this, the USA dream team consists of equally talented basketball players. If one of them would appear weak, then the whole team is affected. Thus succumbing to pride, they get encouraged to work harder. Plus if they can`t keep up they can just go to the lower section.

An adult student who has no willingness to learn should be consulted by a psychologist in order for him to have his priorities straighten up. It is never too late for anyone to learn. It would also avoid school dropouts through proper counseling.

Side: Yes
1 point

If you are able to see that the student is being slowed down by the pace of the class then I think it is perfectly OK for them to study separately from the other students. Why should we restrict them to reaching their full capacity.

Side: Yes
1 point

The question is not as you imply: "should we allow them to choose", but should it be done or should it be encouraged. Of course there is no cap for "gifted", but that is often used for rather normal A students. Most students who are gifted and learning well shouldn't be encouraged to study separately, but instead to enjoy the pace.

Side: No
1 point

I think it should be a choice.

A student should be able to choose the level that they learn at.

You can't help what you are born as, but you can make choices. If a regular person wants to learn advanced concepts and be part of that, even though there is a disadvantage, then let that person.

If they want to go with easier stuff, just mainstream studies and whatnot, then they should be allowed that too.

Forcing a person to learn more than they want to because they were born smarter, or forcing a person to learn less just because they were born "normal" isn't fair. We should let the students choose what classes they want to take.

Side: Yes

They will be able to excel with their elite class and will not get bored.

Side: Yes
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Yes, they have. and Does your question relate to the debate?

Side: Yes

"Non-gifted" students don't have a corrosive presence about them. If the standard of public education is so low that a society sees fit to have gifted students be shielded from it a larger issue needs to be adressed.

Side: No
1 point

Nah

Side: No

while every student should spend some study time alone, mixing gifted and non-gifted students can be beneficial for both groups. The non-gifted students get an another perspective on the subject from someone they can better relate to, and the gifted students refine their own understanding of the subject because they have to "teach" it to others sometimes.

Side: No
1 point

I take the view, that gifted students should study together with non-gifted students. First of all, unequlity still exists between gender, between black and white and so on. But unequlity between students is too much. Non-gifted students will think that they are in low level and can not reach big aims. Even if they have some hidden talents they will suppress it. Secondly, many scientists made many experiences on increasing academic achievement. Most of experiences showed that teachers strongly influence on children's achievement. From the other hand we can imagine that gifted and non-gifted children study separately, but it would be good only for gifted children. But will decrease academic achievement of non-gifted children.

Side: No

Parents who noticed that their child is different from others, that he has some special propensity for studying than his peers they may send him to study at school with more deeply education. But in average school all children must, I emphasized - must, study together, because pupils with lower level knowledge will have a motivation to stady hard to catch their peers who study much better. If to separate them into two different groups gifted and non-gifted students, it will hurt children's minds. All of us are equal.

Side: No

No. We don't segregate gifted and non-gifted people in the real world, best they start learning to get along and work with one another early on, not when they graduate (or drop out).

Side: No
DiscerningK(2) Disputed
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The issue isn't that the students need to learn to get along. The fact is that different students learn at different levels. I went to public schools in Ontario with gifted programs throughout my education. I had the benefit of being a "traveler" in that program when I was still in elementary school. While the regular stream was doing basic spelling and math tests my class was deeply engaged in art projects and logic problems. I benefited tremendously and completely agree that certain teaching methods and subjects need to cross over into the regular stream. However, I also recognize that certain classmates I had in the regular stream, while perhaps succeeding in their own classes, would not have been able to keep pace, perhaps to the detriment of other students progress. The issue is not segregation, but the quality of the education provided to all students regardless of their demonstrated learning capabilities.

Side: Yes
1 point

In my experience school teaches you very, very little of what you are going to actually use in the real world and at most jobs. I think school is very good at teaching students to learn, and to learn and work alongside other people. I consider these to be more important things to walk away from elementary school, high school, college, you name it, with than the actual trivial facts and such you learn in the classroom. Having only smart people work with smart people and only average/stupid people work with average/stupid people defeats the point of going to school in the first place for me, and furthermore I have yet to work on or encounter a staff that consisted entirely of intelligent or average or stupid people. The real world is more diverse than than 9 times out of 10, and I think our schools ought to reflect the real world whenever possible because I think the purpose of school is to prepare us for the real world.

Side: No
1 point

No given enough subjects everyone should be more knowlegable than others and help less gifted to at least have a understanding of some sort on a subject instead of needing it one day and not having it

Side: No