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Should my brother vote or not vote?

i just got done registering to vote, and i recommended that my brother register to vote as well.  he tells me that he is unsatisfied with all candidates and that the appropriate thing to do is not vote.  

he says that he will be disappointed with whoever he votes for, so there is no point in voting.  

is this position even defendable?  or is it completely retarded and idiotic?  i think its the latter...

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He's likely referring to the two main candidates, which ARE terrible. However, I'd be confused if he means ALL candidates, as Gary Johnson is quite good.

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He is referring to the two main candidates, but he also told me that because a third party candidate will never win, that he sees no reason to vote at all.

He seems to think that no vote is the best vote if you are dissatisfied with the selection of political candidates.

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2 points

He says that he will be disappointed with whoever he votes for

This is true for all candidates in all democracies.

vote for the one he disagrees with least

By voting he gets the right to moan afterwards.

It's why I vote.

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2 points

Voting is a responsibility of the United States citizen. If he is unsatisfied, I would recommend choosing a fill-in candidate.

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1 point

Vote Gary Johnson. He's SANE.

I mean, he might not be a perfect saint, but at least he's sane for once.

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1 point

He can write in someone. Whether it be a candidate not even on the ballot, or a person who isn't even running.

If he doesn't want to vote for president (due to his position), then at least he should vote on the state measures or state positions on his ballot this November.

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1 point

Yes, as long as he is voting for a republican. If not, I would rather have him abstain.

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1 point

That wouldn't really be fair, to encourage him to vote if he votes for your candidate while discouraging him from voting if he votes for an opposing candidate.

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Yes, but I'd prefer if he didn't vote for a candidate besides Mitt Romney or Barrack Obama... and no, the green party candidate doesn't count.

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1 point

Even if you dislike either canditate then look at their oppions. What they will do.

Check what you like as 1 point. and what you dislike as a -1 point. whoever has the most you vote for.

When i say this look at EVERYTHING. not just the big topics.

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1 point

it should be able for kids to vote for president and unfair

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0 points

Absolutely. I don't see a compelling reason why not. As long as he knows the candidates, that is.

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If he's voting Democrat..., he shouldn't vote ;)

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1 point

I agree, he shouldn't vote if he is voting democrat. Many jobs, wars and lives(due to Obama care) will be lost if he is reelected.

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1 point

So job creation = projected job loss?

Wars ended = more wars created?

And more insured people = more deaths?

Scare tactics and fear mongering. Come on.

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2 points

With whom does he agree with the most ideologically? Is he an anarchist or apathetic?

If he sides mostly with Romney, he should vote for Romney. If he is the "screw the two-party system" kind of guy, that's a Gary Johnson thing. If he is has that mentality but agrees with Obama, Jill Stein.

But don't tell him to do something that would make him an extension of your vote (i.e. do what Andy is saying and only tell him to vote if he will be voting for your preferred candidate). I'm going to have to go completely against Andy on this one.

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With whom does he agree with the most ideologically? Is he an anarchist or apathetic?

He agrees the most with Obama, between the two. He also says that voting for a 3rd party candidate is pointless because they will never win.

But don't tell him to do something that would make him an extension of your vote

I didn't. I told him I didn't care who he voted for, so long as he voted. Not voting at all is a poor and idiotic decision.

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1 point

Then he should vote for Obama .

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is this position even defendable? or is it completely retarded and idiotic? i think its the latter...

I don't. I see electing another vote-whore in a system that deliberately nullifies my vote as in individual roughly equivalent to shooting myself in the foot. And every election I am given two choices: shoot myself in the right foot, or the left one. And every election I take the road less traveled and decide not to shoot myself in the foot at all, and not vote.

Just because a candidate is the lesser of two evils doesn't mean I should vote for evil at all.

That, and it's not like the democratic will of the people elects presidents anyways. It's all about voting districts, and the electoral college, systems that make the popular vote - the only vote that should matter - completely worthless.

I'm with your brother. I despise the candidates and I despise the system they have constructed to get themselves elected, and as it is not the platform of any of the current or past presidential candidates (that I am aware of) to eliminate the electoral college, I don't see a point in voting. My vote doesn't count, and I dislike the people I would be voting for even if my vote did count.

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1 point

Unless your brother is a member of Congress, his vote is inconsequential. Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000 by over half of a million votes, he didn't become president. Based on that, the only conclusion I can only come to is that 51,000,000 votes (the majority of votes for that election) didn't matter. There are better ways to spend his time.

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Your vote doesn't really count anymore, elections are becoming rigged more and more often.

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