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Debate Score:112
Arguments:74
Total Votes:132
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Should obese people pay more for health care?

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Side Score: 53
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Side Score: 59
4 points

When it comes to national healthcare smokers and drinkers are already taxed to subsidise the costs. It only makes sense on that reasoning to tax fatties.

Side: yes
dacey(1036) Disputed
1 point

"When it comes to national healthcare smokers and drinkers are already taxed to subsidise the costs. It only makes sense on that reasoning to tax fatties"............oh FUCKING HELL......................SMOKING AND CONSUMING ALCOHOL IS A CHOICE...and no fuckface, im not a "fattie" myself, just in case you were thinking of coming back with insults because you cant deal with the truth.People are obese for many reasons.THEY SPEND THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY TO EAT ,IF NOT MORE ,(which is good for the economy)SO WHAT IS YOUR (and joes') FUCKING PROBLEM.

Side: No
3 points

yes because they are the ones who caused they're health problems. so they should pay more for health care

Side: yes
Kboe(36) Disputed
1 point

Umm thats not true! Some people have medical conditions that make them over weight! I am an obese person myself, My health happens to be in fairly good condition! So obese people my never end up in the hospital because of their weight. So if an obese person has to pay more because they are weight then maybe some one with cancer should have to pay for health care!

Side: No

One way to fix the problem is to not have Nationalized Health Care ;)

BTW, is it true that if a person has liposuction, the number of fat cells is reduced and so the person is not able to get back to the size they once were?

Side: yes
Kinda(1649) Disputed
1 point

A very small percentage of people are obese due to medical conditions. Obese is unhealthiness so you cannot be healthy and obese. You can appear to be healthy though.

Anyone who causes health problems due to their lifestyle and habits should pay more. That applies to people who have smoked all their lives and then get cancer.

Side: yes
1 point

Thats true Kboe. It might be genetics from their parents or muscles from exercising too much.Muscle is heavier than fat.

Side: No
2 points

yes... they have a higher level of health problems and in my mind its their fault their fat but i also feel people who have mental handicaps should too

Side: yes
kamranw(232) Disputed
1 point

So should people who smoke, drink etc pay more as well? There are many studies suggesting that people who are obese may actually have mental and physical imbalances that cause them to be more prone to being obese, so its not just their fault.

Side: No
vassilgl(55) Disputed
4 points

I think people who smoke and drink heavily should also pay more just as obese people should. You say that some obese people have mental/physical imbalances that cause them to be obese? Do people have these imbalances in Africa? or central America? Because obesity doesn't seem to be a problem there. It looks to me like people are simply products of their lifestyle, and it is unfair that those who live healthier need to pay for the lifestyles of others they have no contol over. Smokers, drinkers and obese people take more from the system, so they should have to pay more.

Side: yes
vassilgl(55) Disputed
1 point

I think it would be unfair to tax people based on mental handicaps because people who are handicapped haven't made the decision to be like that. Its not fair that you tax someone more just because, through no fault of their own, they need more medical assistance. If it IS their fault, then taxing them more makes perfect sense (ie: smokers, drinkers, and the overweight)

Side: Yes
lynnT(1) Disputed
1 point

It is amazing the prejudices that people have. Honestly, do you think people want to be overweight? Being overweight does not automatically mean people are lazy and deserve to pay more for health services. Also, people with mental disease should not have to pay more. That is so ridiculous. Making comments such as the one here shows how close minded some people can be.

Side: No
1 point

i think your right peaple that exersize can be overwaight it dosnt meen there lazy if there fat

Side: yes
bazinga1123(1) Disputed
1 point

Wow you are so ignorant and unfeeling. and your mind is messed up, people have their reasons for being obese and while i understand that some people have the choice, others dont.

Side: No
2 points

Making healthy choices requires self descipline, sacrifice and is a responsible thing to do - not just for the personal interest of the concerned individual but society in general. People who are fit tend to be more productive, miss less days at work, contribute less to the high medical costs, are likely to be more happy and positive in their outlook, and are more likely to make others around them more active and productive. There are some diseases which cannot be controlled and people should not be blamed for those. But there is no excuse for lazyness or bad eating habits. Why should the person who makes the healthy choice have to pay for the irresponsible choices of those who don't. There have to incentives and disincentives for responsible social behavior - being obese is not a socially responsible thing. That cost should be passed through to the perpetrator. We tax smokers, drinkers, bad drivers, people with bad credit - then what makes obese people any different? Someone who goes to the gym and sweats out for an hour instead to watching TV and eating ho-hos - takes less out of the system by not having to go see a doctor for controllable diseases. So why should the premiums go up for this person? Tax those who are irresponsible and raise their premiums and lower the premiums for those who are responsible.

Side: yes
2 points

Only in rare cases is obesity uncontrollable. Sure, you can be influenced, but eating and exercising habits are completely up to you. I agree that uncontrollable risk factors contributing to obesity should be accounted for and given justice, but most obese people become obese on their own free will. Whether I'm right about all that or not, I think it's easy to see that since obese people spend more on health problems (they are unhealthy) that it is only fair that they pitch in a little more. Let's reward those who take the time and effort to keep healthy!

Side: yes
1 point

I feel that obese people should pay for health care because, it is a choice to eat as much food as you like and not watch what it does to you body. if obesity is in your genes then you know you have to watch what you eat extra carefully. I do no not feel that some people should get a courtesy just because a mindless decision they made.

Side: yes
1 point

I see both ways. I say yes. Sorry to all obese people. But it is your fault your obese. You do deserve to pay more, not only to learn a lesson, but to learn something, a difficulty most likely, in life. That is my opinion.

--CGJustZac Out

Side: yes
Akulakhan(2973) Disputed
1 point

Are we asking whom to blame or whom to help? .

Side: No
1 point

As a smoker I hardly ever go to the doctor or hospital. However, I will have to pay 50% more in health insurance. I don't need to see statics to know that obese people spend a lot more in medical than anyone else I know.

If smokers pay more so should the obese. People I personally know are in and out of the hospital due to diabetes, gallbladder, heart issues, blood pressure and so much more due to being overweight. By losing the weight all of these problems disappear. Almost every smoker I know works hard and isn't obese and hardly ever frequents the doctor or hospital. I'm not against paying more, but I do believe other heavy risk people should also.

Regardless, in the end, it will be the nonsmokers and non obese people that will cost the most due to them living longer: being on treatments, nursing homes...etc.

Side: Yes
5 points

If we are talking about Privatized Healthcare, it is up to the business.

But, if we're talking about Nationalized healthcare, than it only makes sense that unhealthy people pay more for something that OTHERS also have to pay for.

Side: No

No, absolutely not! By the time we finish culling people out that have a specialized illnesses based on an unfavorable lifestyle we'll be back where we started from not to mention the unfairness of such an attitude.

Side: No
2 points

No they should not. We cannot decide who pays more or less for health care, it is a pooled risk. If we start with the obese then we go to smokers, drinkers, etc. The list never ends.

Side: No
2 points

are you serious, no obese people should not pay more for health care. And if you seriously think all big people are big from just eating, you need to look further into health. I for one am bigger person, but i am also big, because of health issues. Medications i was giving have lead to enlarging my body. Though i can run farther and longer than most of the slimmer people i know, i eat 5 times less then they do as well. And through all of this my body stays the same. Some individual are just meant to be big, doesn't mean we should be paying more to get health care. That would be like saying, Should someone with diabetes, cancer, or any other disease be paying more. Health care is there to help, we shouldn't be raped up the ass for it, because we have a health issue. And if your so friggen healty what are you using Health care for, thats abuse. Even skinny people have health issues, there is a thing as being to thin.

Side: No
1 point

Obesity is a disease. Obesity can be a combination of the following:

The genes you inherited from your parents

How well your body turns food into energy

Your eating and exercising habits

Your surroundings

Psychological factors .............. A substantial increase in health risks has made obesity the second leading cause of preventable death in the United States.

Side: No
Kinda(1649) Disputed
3 points

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Obesity/Pages/Causes.aspx

Obesity does not just happen overnight - it develops gradually from poor diet and lifestyle choices and, to some extent, from your genes.

In less than one out of every 100 cases, there is a medical reason for obesity

http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/healthyliving/obesityandweight/whatcausesobesity/index.htm

People with obesity-related genes are not destined to be obese. But they will have a higher risk of obesity. In the modern environment, they may need to work harder than others to maintain a healthy body weight by making long-term, sustained lifestyle changes.

http://www.childobesitytips.com/causes-of-obesity.html

the most common seems to be a lack of exercise and poor diet

Side: yes
1 point

Thankyou,Thats all people ask for kinda.Proof NOT abuse. Well done .Touche....HAVE A GOOD DAY.

Side: No
1 point
Supporting Evidence: obesityinamerica (www.obesityinamerica.org)
Side: No
1 point

No, they can't help being obese. Sometimes it's in your genes and is a serious medical condition. And sometimes it's cause from other medical issues.

Side: No
1 point

no they shouldnt there normal peaple who just like to eat

that dosnt mean they should pay more they should try new things like free running or go to the gym

Side: No
1 point

Some people look at it as yes, but some experienced say yes, but we cannot say that many could have in between. Maybe in a case of hunger, some obese people proof that they are capable to have everything they eat than those who are not obese.

Supporting Evidence: www.acneproductsreview.org (www.acneproductsreview.org)
Side: No