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Yes, they should. God doesn't exist.
Debate Score:311
Arguments:160
Total Votes:353
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Should people believe in God or not?

Nowadays it's very popular question, because two main points of view exists: Charles Darwin theory and religion with it sacrd books. What do you think about this?

Yes, they should.

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God doesn't exist.

Side Score: 169
5 points

I take the view that human beings should believe in God. Every culture throughout history has been convinced that there is a higher power and force that watches over them. Almost all of the people have the idea of God in their consciousness because deep in their hearts every person know that God supports and give his advice for them. There are a lot of cases when people survived with the help og God. I support the idea that people should have one belief.

Side: Yes, they should.
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
4 points

Every culture throughout history has been convinced that there is a higher power and force that watches over them.

This has not always been a god though. Sometimes it's ancestors, sometime tree spirits. There's all kinds of superstitions. That people believe something in large part does not make that thing true, as we see with examples like our lack of a flat earth and that stars aren't literally holes in the sky.

Almost all of the people have the idea of God in their consciousness because deep in their hearts every person know that God supports and give his advice for them

Almost all people have an idea of god becaus they are told over and over from birth that there is one. There is no provable natural inclination to believe a single all powerful being is watching over us any more than there is a provable natural inclination to believe in Santa Clause - outside of the inclination to believe what our parents tell us when we're little.

And even the most fervent believer has never received a word of advice from god I promise, only a manifestation of subconscious thought they label as such because they want it to be such.

There are a lot of cases when people survived with the help og God. I support the idea that people should have one belief.

There is not a single case of this happening in fact, ever as far as you know in all of history.

As a side note, I do find it amazing if one survives some thing the religious are so quick to give god credit, yet when something goes horribly wrong they rarely blame this all-powerful all-knowing being.

It is a ridiculous double standard the faithful hold this fanciful and fickle character.

Side: God doesn't exist.
Aigera(26) Disputed
3 points

Yeah, but ancient human beings thought that tree spirits and their ancestors were their God. They consider God in that way, because they could not comprehense and understand real meaning of existance God, however by the time, people became muche smarter and noticed various cases when they felt the support from God. For each of people has got their own view about God who always support and help him/her.

Side: Yes, they should.
elgiza(79) Disputed
2 points

I don't agree with you. The existense of God is possible, and in some cases it's exact. For example, a lot of prophecies from sacred books of religions came in true. For instance, from a history of Islam, we know that in sixths year after Prophet Muhhamad was forced to migrate from Mecca to Medina, he teturned to Mecca with his companions, who protected them for praying. And it was written in Quran before this.

Side: Yes, they should.
2 points

Yes, I agree with you. Belief in God is located in the heart of people since birth. We should believe in God, because first of all it presents different feelings. For exmple, hope. In my opinion it's very important feeling, which saved millions of life. And only belief presents hope.

Side: Yes, they should.
2 points

If you believe that "[e]very culture throughout history has been convinced that there is a higher power", then how would you compare them to cultures that did not believe in a higher power to see which one has better outcomes?

I support the idea that people should have one belief.

wow - sounds like a terrible idea. luckily we didn't all lock in on one belief while we thought the earth was flat and the center of the solar system, etc.

Side: God doesn't exist.
pkl728(28) Disputed
2 points

wow - sounds like a terrible idea. luckily we didn't all lock in on one belief while we thought the earth was flat and the center of the solar system, etc.

Why is that a terrible idea? If you logically look at all the beliefs only one of them can be true. By the rules of logic, if one is true the others are false. You can make the claim that you think they are all false but then you support the idea that your belief is true and the others are false so you're really in the same boat. That DOES NOT mean that you shouldn't be tolerant but tolerance does not require that you accept everything to be true.

Side: Yes, they should.
4 points

If god is an excuse to hold one or more beliefs/values that are off limits as far as your willingness to reconsider and reevaluate it/them then I would say no.

If god is a reason to ALWAYS leave room for doubt about the adequacy of your own or someone else's understanding, or if you think god=love, then I suppose it can be good to "believe in" god.

Side: Yes, they should.
3 points

I mostly agree with your 2 premises, but I think the former is more likely than the latter - therefore I come to the other conclusion.

Side: God doesn't exist.
atypican(4874) Disputed
3 points

So long as you are not opposed to reevaluating that conclusion.....:)

The meanings of terms change over time.

Side: Yes, they should.
elgiza(79) Disputed
2 points

To my mind our life on the Erth is a kind of test. God testing us for belief in Him. There are a lot of religions, including paganism, but we understands that creator is one.

Side: Yes, they should.
atypican(4874) Disputed
2 points

I worry about beliefs like that. I once heard of a woman who decided to kill her children because she believed that to do so was doing them a favor, sending them to a better place. She drowned them.

Side: Yes, they should.
4 points

i think, people should believe in God. i think, it is stupid to think that the God does not exist, because then who created us? i think, you have to first of all answer to this question, after that you can say that people should not believe in God.

Side: Yes, they should.
imrigone(761) Disputed
4 points

i think, it is stupid to think that the God does not exist, because then who created us?

A. Why do you automatically assume there is an intelligence behind it?

B. Even if there was intelligence behind creation, how does that tell us anything else about the number or nature of intelligences involved?

C. Numerous aspects of our creation have, in fact, been answered satisfactorily without invoking intelligence or omnipotence.

D. Even if there is not satisfactory explanation available, why MUST it be answered by this time? If there is not strong evidence to support an explanation, than we should not be forced to provide an answer simply for the sake of providing an answer. We should keep investigating.

Side: God doesn't exist.
pkl728(28) Disputed
3 points

A. Why do you automatically assume there is an intelligence behind it?

Why do you automatically assume there is none? I find there to be some pretty good arguments to support it. You'll have to explain to me what sounds more probable.... The Big Bang happened on its own accord by no cause what-so-ever or the Big Bang had a specific cause. If you accept that the Big Bang has a specific cause then you necessarily need to accept that the cause is a personal, uncaused, beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless, enormously powerful, and enormously intelligent being via the Kalam cosmological argument.

B. Even if there was intelligence behind creation, how does that tell us anything else about the number or nature of intelligences involved?

The same properties above. That said you will rightly notice that it does not necessarily describe God on its own but it is used as more of a cumulative case for Him.

C. Numerous aspects of our creation have, in fact, been answered satisfactorily without invoking intelligence or omnipotence.

Really? Is that why scientists really have no idea as to how life began on Earth? Is that why we have to invoke a multi-verse with absolutely no evidence to support it because we just can't accept that our universe had a first Cause in order to exist? Even if you don't believe in God I don't think you can say that any of these questions have been satisfactorily answered.

D. Even if there is not satisfactory explanation available, why MUST it be answered by this time? If there is not strong evidence to support an explanation, than we should not be forced to provide an answer simply for the sake of providing an answer. We should keep investigating.

I would agree that investigation should still continue but for me it seems like everything we discover about our universe and origins pushes us more and more towards a Creator.

Side: Yes, they should.
4 points

The question is not whether or not God actually exists, it's simply whether people should believe in Him, which could be re-worded as "Would it be beneficial for human society if human beings believed in a higher power?". I definitely believe so. Disregarding the fact that I DO personally believe in God, the simple idea is beneficial in the way that it promotes charitable and humane actions in believers that are inspired by the literary works associated with the religion. This has been seen countless times on the individual level. The problem is when that very message is twisted and perverted by influential men seeking their own personal advancement (the Crusades, Holocaust, KKK, etc). So to sum up, believing in God is a perfectly sound practice. Just be on guard for those who seek to manipulate that belief.

Side: Yes, they should.
casper3912(1581) Disputed
3 points

Religion isn't defined as a system of belief which promotes charitable and human actions. Claiming that those religions or religious sects that do not do such are "perversions" is a defence mechanism of the religious.

Religion causes less independent thought, by replacing a persons own experiences by a standard document as their standard of decison. Group think, rarely has been a positive thing for human society.

Further more, the method of religion propagation is relient upon insecurities. It is common in many religions to have a sense that humans are evil or not good enough by nature, and that we have a need for approval by a higher being. This makes it easy for some to "manipulate" the belief in god, by taking on the postion of intermediary between the higher being and the people.

Those amongst other reasons are why religious belief in god should be lacking.

However, ritual is an important aspect of our lives, as are methods of reflection,meditation and so forth. Humans are also social beings, and developing a social connection with the universe is important for our health as well. Thus belief in a non-religious god may very well be beneficial. Pantheism is one option that would be very beneficial for human society.

Side: God doesn't exist.
atypican(4874) Disputed
2 points

Religion isn't defined as a system of belief which promotes charitable and human actions.

I think you would agree that everyone without exception, operates by a system that's not fashioned entirely independently, but rather with a great deal of help from, and influence by others. This belief/value system is necessarily desire/aversion and experience based. It is always fashioned with the aim of bringing about desirable conditions. The most effective ones are used by those who recognize the value of considering other peoples perspectives.

Ancient thought processes, continue to develop and evolve as they take root in each new generation. Regarding your claim that "religion causes less independent thought" That very statement is apt to cause "less independent thought" It promotes the reader to regard religion in an overly generalized way as if there could be no such thing as a religion that values wildly diverse, and highly individualized thought. Since the statement that "Group think, rarely has been a positive thing for human society" is conspicuously lacking of any statement(s) that might logically support it, I will just call bullshit. :)

the method of religion propagation is relient upon insecurities.

Any effort at propagating anything is based on feeling insecure about how well things will turn out without enough active concern.

It is common in many religions to have a sense that humans are evil or not good enough by nature, and that we have a need for approval by a higher being.

It's nice to read a comment that addresses a specific variety of religious belief, as opposed to just another blatant over-generalization about religion. As I understand it you are describing the practice of worship. As I see it, the practice of worship can be propagated just fine even among the ostensibly non-religious.

This makes it easy for some to "manipulate" the belief in god, by taking on the postion of intermediary between the higher being and the people.

It's rather impractical to worship non-existent entities now isn't it?

Those amongst other reasons are why religious belief in god should be lacking.

I am curious to read an explanation of how you logically distinguish a religious belief from a non-religious belief.

However, ritual is an important aspect of our lives, as are methods of reflection,meditation and so forth. Humans are also social beings, and developing a social connection with the universe is important for our health as well.

So in other words having religion is OK as long as we use some other words to describe whats going on!? I find plenty of people share the same attitude about worship. They don't mind being worshipful types, they just take issue with the term god.

Pantheism is one option that would be very beneficial for human society.

How so?

Side: Yes, they should.
4 points

People should believe in what they believe in. In other words, if you believe in God, believe in him, if you don't, don't. but, please have some conviction in what you believe in!

Side: Yes, they should.
3 points

People should, because they need somebody

1. who able to do the miracle;

2. who can give the hope;

3. who waits soul of yours after death.

There is more real suggestion that people should believe because religion is one of the means of ruling and helps government (church) to control them.

Side: Yes, they should.
3 points

They should, simply:

1) If they don't and God doesn't exist, then nothing happens.

2) They don't but God DOES exist, they go to hell.

3) They do but God doesn't exist, nothing happens.

4) They do and God EXIST, they go to heaven.

Believing has a better overall result. Yes, believe in God.

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

I like it.... it is simple, to the point;It is also very true. I wonder if anyone ever thinks of it like that, You are really gambling on your belief that you are right. If you think of it in those terms it is very profound. To say that there is no God, no Hell, and no hear after is a huge gamble, you are betting your immortal soul on your belief that you are right... Wow.

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

I agree that we should all believe in something i don't just believe god exists i know he does. here is my thing if a person chooses to disbelieve then fine its their choice but remember if you are wrong then u lose the option of being giving the ultimate afterlife..

Side: Yes, they should.
2 points

Yes I think they should.As a Christian we know whats right and whats wrong. We believe in a God who died on the cross for our sins and that He rose from the grave. Its the person decision on whether or not to believe in God. If the person does not believe in Him then that is there choice but just to let you know you set your self up for hell because you decided not to believe in Him and go on your own way and not God's way. Which there is one way to get to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ.

Side: Yes, they should.
thedudeon(27) Disputed
2 points

i read tht jesus christ had a part of the soul of osiris in a metaphysical book!.and if u dont believe no ones going to hell..your just giving yourself spiritual retrospection and questioning the basis of religion and belief in the most humane way possible and using your brains for once and questioning your faith and how strong is it. if i were to ask you ..make me believe in god...or how do you know god exists? what would you say? would you tell me that im going to hell for not believing ? or would you ask me to read the bible? which again speaks more about karma . its just that we fail to interpret the meaning. think about this...jesus said that "do unto others as you want them to do unto you" or something like that....now dont you think thats the what karma is all about...?

Side: God doesn't exist.
2 points

Its up to the person choice to believe in God because God gave us free will on what to believe in. But there is only one way and that is through Jesus Christ. But many people choose not to believe in God and that's there choice.

Side: Yes, they should.
garry77777(1794) Disputed
5 points

"Its up to the person choice to believe in God because God gave us free will on what to believe in. "

You clearly have no apprehension of the paradoxical natue of the above statement, do you?

" But there is only one way and that is through Jesus Christ"

And how exactly do we get through him?

"But many people choose not to believe in God and that's there choice."

Ya many people also choose not to beleive in fairies and wicked wizards wondering through the wilderness, there called rational people, maybe someday you'll join us.

Side: God doesn't exist.
elgiza(79) Disputed
2 points

Religion isn't a kind of fairy tales. And, for example, if Jesus or Muhammad didn't exist, why nowadays they have a lot of followers. I think we should think about it. And if ou think, that only atheist are rational people, then 80 % of the population are crazy, aren't they?

Side: Yes, they should.
pkl728(28) Disputed
2 points

You clearly have no apprehension of the paradoxical natue of the above statement, do you?

I don't understand how its paradoxical. If you believe in God, at least the Christian God, you believe that he gave you free will. With that free will you can either choose to follow Him and love Him back or not.

And how exactly do we get through him?

I would consult your nearest Bible.

Ya many people also choose not to beleive in fairies and wicked wizards wondering through the wilderness, there called rational people, maybe someday you'll join us.

Oh that's right, I forgot that fairy tales have ancient texts that properly depict very specific historic events and people and were written within AT LEAST a couple decades of the actual events, if not earlier. Let's not pretend the Bible is some big fairy tale shall we? If that's truly what you believe then you sorely need to do some research of your own.

Side: Yes, they should.
Srom(12207) Disputed
1 point

We have to believe that Jesus was the Son of God and that He died on the cross for our sins,and that He rose from the dead. Also we have to live His way for the rest of our life. Thats how we can go through Him

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

God gave us free will on what to believe in

Ironically, I can argue that if we humans have free will, then God does not exist.

One version of the argument against the existence of God is as follows. If God is time-less as proposed by the most prominent Christian theologian St. Thomas Aquinas, then God timelessly knows a choice (let's call this "choice A") that a human would claim to be making "freely". If "choice A" is in the timeless realm, then it is now-necessary that A is decided. If it is now-necessary that A, then A cannot be otherwise (because this is the definition of "necessary" - that there are no actual possibilities due to predestination). According to the Principle of Alternate Possibilities, if you cannot do otherwise when you act, you do not act freely. Therefore, when you do an act, you will not do it freely. Thus, since humans have free will, there cannot be a timeless entity that exists. Ergo, God does not exist.

The second version of this argument is from Dan Barker, a former pastor.

1. God is defined as a personal being who is omniscient (and also omnipotent and morally perfect).

2. Personal beings have free will. (by definition)

3. In order to have free will, one must have more than one option, each of which can be avoided. Meaning, before one makes a choice, there must be a state of uncertainty during a period of potential, i.e. you cannot know the future. Even if you think you can predict your decision, if you claim to have free will, you must admit the potential and/or the desire to change you mind before the decision is made.

4. A being who knows everything can have no "state of uncertainty". Thus, it knows its choices in advance.

5. A being that knows its choices in advance has no potential to avoid any of its choices. Therefore, such a being would lack free will since its choices are pre-known and thus cannot avoid any of them.

6. Since a being that lacks free will is not a personal being, a personal being that is omnipotent (i.e. knows everything) cannot exist.

7. Ergo, God does not exist.

There. Two arguments from free will against the existence of God. I have given sufficient logical arguments against the existence of God. Until you show both of these arguments to be illogical without a shadow of doubt and give sound and logically coherent arguments of your own, we have to accept that God does not exist.

Side: God doesn't exist.
2 points

Sure. God can exist as an idea, figure, or simply a symbol. Whatever people want to be believe, they 'should' do so. I don't see how anyone has the right to say someone shouldn't believe in something. God as a omnipotent, omnipresent deity may not exist, but that doesn't mean that people shouldn't believe everything that God represents.

Side: Yes, they should.
2 points

well beliveing in god does one good thing a person goes to a right path or good path he fears that if went to bad path god will punish him so it help a human to be a good human

Side: Yes, they should.
casper3912(1581) Disputed
3 points

What if that particular gods "right path" involves killing innocent people?

For example, the aztecs were good about this.

What if a particular god's "right path" involves complete or a high level of obedience to a religious body.

The catholics were good about this in ages past.

etc.

In short, "god" doesn't always have a truly "right path".

Side: God doesn't exist.
2 points

ill just ask one quistion how was the world made because these kind of debate is meaning less if we dont start from start

Side: Yes, they should.
2 points

Yes you should . Think of this if he doesn't exist you won't loose anything from believing in him. But if he does exist you can avoid any punishment that would come from not believing. It is always best to cover ones bases.

Side: Yes, they should.
casper3912(1581) Disputed
2 points

Which god should I believe in?

I can not cover all bases, at least one would denouce me as an idol worshiper for that.

Side: God doesn't exist.
2 points

Please forgive me, I was think in a christian view and forgetting that there are other gods out there.

Side: God doesn't exist.
2 points

we should believe in God, because we were created by God... and the Darwin's theory, I think is wrong because it is impossible logically how we can created by monkeys during a lot of time... I believe in God, and belief in God make me stronger...

Side: Yes, they should.
2 points

God exists. No doubt. If he didn't, why are so many people preoccupied with the topic.

Even those who say he doesn't spend large amounts of their time disputing him.

Energy isn't consistently spent arguing against non-issues.

Side: Yes, they should.
casper3912(1581) Disputed
4 points

Just because god is an issue, doesn't mean god exists.

If energy is expended on how the church is evil, does that means the church is infact evil?

Side: God doesn't exist.
2 points

God is out there watching us and helping us.Anyone who doesn't believe is wrong if you read the bible or something you will know he is real so get some common sense!

Side: Yes, they should.
thedudeon(27) Disputed
2 points

how do u know whats right and whats wrong ?...for a murderer killing in his eyes would mean that he is right ..deciding whats wrong and right is arbitrary..and who doesn't believe is not wrong..its just that in the non-believers eyes he is right..and if u read the "bible or something" it only tells god exists ..but never answers who created god ?...

Side: God doesn't exist.
pkl728(28) Disputed
1 point

This is just incoherent. The belief in the Christian God is that God is the source of all good. God is the standard. God cannot be evil because that would be against his nature and thus there is nothing arbitrary here.

As for your last question:

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)

This verse tells us that God was acting before time when He created the universe. Therefore, God has no need of being created because He created the time dimension of our universe . Because Cause and Effect only exist in the dimension of time, cause and effect would never apply to His existence.

Side: Yes, they should.
2 points

Behind every person and item whether it is unknown or other otherwise there is a belief. When someone sees or hears something which they cannot identify with their own experiences they instantly scrutinize it. If people were all the same they would all possess the same beliefs. The one thing we all share is our own need for self-destruction. Mankind can find justification for any act no matter how deplorable, big or small. Pan out with your imagination from the place you are and imagine the world, brilliant and blue spinning in the cosmos, steadfast in its resolve to be perfect and different from the rest of the solar system with its life and death. Now bring yourself back down to earth with all the people living on earth and remember why you’re alive. Your life began with an accident; your conception was one-in-a-million mathematical chance and your death will most likely be one to. People hang onto beliefs to give themselves meaning, so they won’t feel like an accident. Why is this illusion of self-importance so necessary? People think they are messengers from god, think they can make the world a better place through genocide and science, and believe that art, poetry, religion, and the realm of the imagination can save them from their accident. All this bravado, noise and entertainment are distracting. It’s like too much icing on the cake or too many toppings on a cheeseburger. It’s sickening. There is no purpose or reason behind anything on this earth. No grand scheme like you would like to believe. Conspiracy theories are another farce to give the human race importance. They’re beliefs just like everything else. What would happen if everyone, one day, just decided to stop believing? No one would aspire to do anything human; we would all be animals, driven by our own instincts not needing hobbies, jobs or toppings on our cheeseburgers. People need purpose and that’s what beliefs give them, a reason to live that is. We’re too smart to just migrate from place to place in search of food and shelter like the animals, too dumb to stop killing each other over differences and most certainly too lazy to stop ourselves. We must share the burden of belief in concert with one another.

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

yes people should believe in God and yes God does exist. he dies on the cross for our sins to be forgiven.but even before that he \s a miracle worker like raising the dead , making the blind see , curing people, of disease then and now that could not and cant be cured God is amazing we should all believe in him

Side: Yes, they should.
garry77777(1794) Disputed
2 points

"yes people should believe in God "

Why?

"yes God does exist"

How do you know? And please don't say because you read it from a piece of paper.

"he dies on the cross for our sins to be forgiven"

How do you know this?

"but even before that he \s a miracle worker like raising the dead ,"

No such things ever happened, dead people are dead, and nobody has the power to bring them back to life beleiving in such fanciful notions is deterimental to your own deveopment.

"now that could not and cant be cured God is amazing we should all believe in him"

The reason these thigns cannot be cured now is because they could not be cured then, you have been fed what are commonly referred to as lies about what Jesus was and wasn't capable of doing, if someone gave me the chioce of being treated by a man who claimed to be the son of God, and being treated in hospital i know which ill be choosing, call me crazy;-)

Side: God doesn't exist.
jakeoutlier(72) Disputed
2 points

know i read a book that book is the bible , try reading it sometime it will help widen ur views on jesus.how do i know God existsthrew my beilief and faith and no dead people arent just dead iff read the bible God brought people from the dead there is no way to convence u just read the bible ur a skepticread for ur self

Side: Yes, they should.
hollyroller Disputed
1 point

look at historical facts.

Fact 1.) there was a man named Jesus

Fact 2.) he had a great following

Fact 3.) he died on the cross and there was witnesses

Fact 4.) the tomb they put him in was found empty yes that is a fact in the history books it was found empty they dint say he came to life but it was found empty.... o look at fact 3 again then read the next fact.

Fact 5.) there where witnesses of seeing Jesus with his disciples

Fact 6.) Christianity exploded where this all took place, (so that means people saw all this go down and was changed and became a follower of Jesus Christ.

Finlay Fact 7.) the body of Jesus has never been found even when searched for back then and some still look to this day....

my thoughts.) if his body was never found after he said this was all going to happen before it even did, then saying he will leave and come back for us.... ya it just makes to much seance to not believe that. thats just some historical FACTSSSS that prove this there are many more through out the bible......

nothing in the bible has been pr oven wrong or a lie yes they may say its all lies or believe its just made up but no one can prove it wrong. and yet we have facts

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

People should believe in God if that makes them feel more secured and satisfied or more happy. People have their choices. They can believe in God. The only problem is that it becomes an obsession. There has to be a solution for that now. But, the solution is not, not believing in God!

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

I strongly believe that there is God and people should also believe in God. Many people who believe that there is no God in the world think that it is just a sort of legend and is a fiction. However, if we study or do research about a certain religion, we could realize that there is God and it affects our lives. When I go to church the first in my early twenties, I was also one of them who don't believe in God. And yet, after I was taught by my pastor about the evidences that proves the fact that God exists such as Noah's ark. Also, other historical records are corresponded with the content of bible. Also, unlike others' general belief, the bible is not about just ancient history, but it includes many of what we should keep in mind for our lives. I also got many instructive messages and I often reflect on myself, reading bible because there are many sayings that the God have reproached toward human. It's not only instructive but also interesting like history book. For the reason, I think people should believe in God.

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

Every body read and think....please...

One clever professor once asked a student at the university is an interesting question. Professor: God is good? Student: Yes. Professor: And the Devil is good? ... Student: No. Professor: That's correct. Tell me son, is there evil in the world? Student: Yes. Professor: Evil is everywhere, is not it? And God created everything, right? Student: Yes. Professor: So who created evil? Student: ... Professor: On the planet there is ugliness, arrogance, disease and ignorance? All it is, right? Student: Yes, sir. Professor: So who created them? Student: ... Professor: Science says that a man has five senses to explore the world around them. Tell me, son, have you ever seen God? Student: No, sir. Professor: Tell us, did you hear God? Student: No, sir. Professor: Have you ever felt God? I tried it taste like? Smelled it? Student: I'm afraid not, sir. Professor: And you still believe in him? Student: Yes. Professor: Based on the conclusions of science can claim that there is no God. You can do something to counter this? Student: No, the professor. I only have faith. Professor: That's it. Faith - is the main problem of science. Student: Professor, does cold exist? Professor: What's the matter? Of course there are. Have you never been cold? (Students snickered at the young man's question) Student: Actually, sir, cold does not exist. In accordance with the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. A person or object is susceptible to study that it has or transmits energy. Absolute zero (-273 degrees Celsius) is the total absence of heat. All matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at this temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat. (The audience hung silence) Student: Professor, does darkness exist? Professor: Of course there is. What is night if not dark: Student: You are wrong again, sir. Darkness does not exist. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. We can study light, but not darkness. We can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You can not measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into the world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Is not it? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens in the absence of light. Now tell me, sir, there is death? Professor: Sure. There is life and there is death - the reverse side of it. Student: You are wrong again, Professor. Death - this is not the flip side of life, is its absence. In your scientific theory appeared serious rift. Professor: What you are doing, young man? Student: Professor, do you teach students that we are all descended from monkeys. You have observed the evolution of your own eyes? Professor shook his head with a smile, knowing what would follow the conversation. Student: No one saw this process, which means you are more a priest, not a scientist. (The audience exploded with laughter) Student: Now tell me, is there anyone in this class, the professor who saw the brain? I've heard it, smelled it, touched it? (Students continued to laugh) Student: It seems that no one else. Then, based on scientific facts, we can conclude that the professor is not the brain. With all due respect to you, Professor, how can we trust what you say in class? (The audience hung silent) Professor: I think you should just trust me. Student: That's it! Between God and man there is a connection - it is FAITH! Professor sat down. The student's name was Albert Einstein.

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

Of course, everyone has his own views on religion. But I know many people who found new faith in a time when no one could hope, and when there was someone to believe in and it was very bad. I want to say that everyone should believe in God because he is always with us.

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

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Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

Each person decide it for himself - believe in God or not believe. For those who believe much He exists, but fo those who do not believe he does not exist.

Person got a habit always to base on his 5 senses because they are prooved by sience and he can not believe for 100 % in things that he can not feel, touch, hear...

And what about theory of ideas? In fact ideas have no limit, but everything that exist now in our everyday life in the begining was an idea.

I think that it is better for people not to know answers for some questions for the balance. If any side(pro or con) will proove that God exists or not exists, the filling of one bowl on scales will devastate another bowl and chaos will begin in our world.

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

Its the person's choice on whether or not to believe in God

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

I believe that there is some type of higher power. Even though i don't believe in the bible or the quran or any other religion, i do believe that some higher power(god) create this universe. Also when i read near death experiences, i truly think that there is an afterlife.

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

To know the God must necessarily. Knowledge strengthens faith. A faith without knowledge is blind and weak. But to know him, do not necessarily see it. There are many things that we do not see, but know that they are. For example, air, electricity, radio waves and the like. We do not see them, but the knowledge of them to escape us, that they exist and no one doubts their existence.

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? OF COURSE PEOPLE SHOULD BELIEVE IN GOD. HE CREATED US. HOW DO THINK JESUS WAS BORN. GOD MADE THIS EARTH. IF YOU DONT BELIEVE IN GOD YOUR STRAIGHT UP GOING TO HELL...THE NURVE OF YOU PEOPLE!!!!!!!!

Side: Yes, they should.
Cynical(1948) Disputed
1 point

It's a debate site, conflicting beliefs are desirable, deal with it.

Side: God doesn't exist.

It is up to the one who wants to believe. If believing in God makes one happy, then so be it.

Side: Yes, they should.
0 points

Looking at the point of view of reason in a scientific way, you would have to believe that there is no reason to trust reason. Your not free, you are just an accident, and you are just a chemical reaction that just happened by chance. You are programmed to do what every you are made to do (by chance). Why should you trust your mind if there is no reason to trust your mind? All your thoughts, feelings, and ideas are just accidents. Love is just a chemical reactions its not real its only chemistry.

The way scientist’s decide what theory is right and true, is the theory with the most exclamatory power. Well at a Christian point of view I have no worries on how I feel, why I’m here, and what I should do in this life. There are so many more logical ways to prove that God is our creator, and that Jesus Christ is our savior. That not only sounds more logical then coming from nothing or matter that has been here for all eternity, that everything is an accident, we just happened by chance, we have no real meaning, we will just become dust.

Reasoning and thinking is what faith consists of. Do not go off your first reacting and run with it, think! Do not look at something and just base everything off of that, but look at the big picture. Sight can lead you to not have faith. A reactions is how your quickly answer your question. Think and try and figure it out and don’t just tell yourself science is the answer, it not logical. Yes science is a major tool in are way of living an understanding of the world. Science is true in so many ways, but the theory of life is just not logical at all, and we need to except that. There is a supreme being that made everything and is all knowing. Faith in God is the reason for the universe, faith in science is not logical at all.

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

You have your facts wrong. "Faith" is, by definition, "belief without reason and proof". Thus, faith is the opposite of reasoning and thinking. It is the lack of logical reasoning. If you are going to base what you believe on faith, then there is absolutely no evidence, from your point of view, to say that Santa Claus or unicorns do not exist because, according to your line of reasoning, it is logical to take things on faith.

Furthermore, you have mentioned that "there are so many more logical ways to prove that God is our creator". However, you have not proved at all that (1) God exists and (2) God is our creator. Those two arguments are not at all the same although the truth of (2) does necessitate the truth of (1). If order to support your stand, you need to prove that (1) God exists and (2) God is our creator. Let's analyse how you could prove that. To prove that (1) God exists, you need to prove that (i) there are good arguments to believe in the existence of God and (ii) there are not good arguments not to believe in God. To prove that (2) God is our creator, you need to prove that (i) there is only 1 creator, (ii) that single creator is God because (iii) there is no good arguments for any other singular creator to have created the universe.

I have not seen any of these arguments in your comment. Therefore, I do not believe that God exists.

Finally, you have made two contradictory statements in your argument. You say that "science in true in so many ways" and yet, you conclude that "faith in science is not logical at all". First, we do not take science by faith because faith is believing without reason and proof. We do have proof to believe the current facts that have been put forth by the scientific method. Second, in epistemological terms, for an argument to be true the premises must be true and follow in a logical manner in order for the conclusion to follow. I have proven that (1) your premise that "faith in science is not logical at all" to be false because we do not take scientific facts on faith and (2) your contradictory statements make the conclusion to be inconsistent with your premises. Therefore, your argument is illogical.

Side: God doesn't exist.
UrsusMagnus Disputed
1 point

Nope. If you reason with the proper information, it will enforce faith. Who says "reason" is the opposite of faith? Some mindless philosopher.

Side: Yes, they should.
9 points

Honestly, I'm posting on this side because the other side is, 'Yes, they should believe in God.' It almost sounds like it should be forced. People shouldn't have to believe in anything if they don't want to. The world is what you make of it and nothing else.

Side: God doesn't exist.
Troy8(2431) Disputed
2 points

People shouldn't have to believe in anything if they don't want to.

But they should be able to believe in anything they want to.

Side: Yes, they should.
chatturgha(1630) Disputed
5 points

I know this. I'm disputing on this side because this side supports 'people SHOULD believe'. That implies everyone should believe whether they want to or not. I am against this. I'm for people believing in whatever the hell they want, but by no means should they be forced to believe anything.

Side: God doesn't exist.
5 points

Why pray tell must one who believes in Darwinism not believe in a god? Or one who does not believe in Darwinism must believe in a god? They are not self-contradicting to a god in general, just a god that created people out of mud a few thousand years ago.

At any rate, I find it amazing how the human idea of a god that is popular today is an all-powerful ominiscient being, yet one who is so petty that you must believe in some fantastical tale that there is not a scrap of evidence for or you will burn in fire for all of eternity.

God sounds like a selfish child when described by this crowd, more often than not.

Even if that guy did exist I'd ignore him, he doesn't though I'm positive.

Side: God doesn't exist.
elgiza(79) Disputed
0 points

Really? Selfish Child? Wow! I listen for it first time. In addition, religion sais that first people were Adam and Eve. And Darwinism sais we are from monkeys. I guess our parents are Adam and Eve.

Side: Yes, they should.
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
3 points

... wtf are you talking about? Are you speaking in tongues or something?

Here's what I think you're trying to say:

1. You're offended I say god is portrayed as a selfish child. I only say this because he tends to throw fits when he doesn't get his way, according to how he is portrayed, what with plagues, floods, raining frogs, etc. These are childish reactions, especially if one accepts this god is all powerful, why should he become so offended by what mere mortals do unless he's being childish?

2. I know where religion says we came from, and that has been proven false. We did in fact, not opinion, evolve.

3. We did not evolve from monkeys, we have a common ancestor, some of whom evolved into various monkeys and apes, others into us eventually.

If you spent more time studying and thinking instead of jerking off to fictional Bible verses you might know that.

Side: God doesn't exist.
Hellno(17756) Banned
4 points

I think people should believe what ever in the hell they want, but it doesn't make them right.

Side: God doesn't exist.
3 points

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. Deuteronomy 22:28-29.

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker?

Side: God doesn't exist.
pkl728(28) Disputed
2 points

There are two points to note here. First, even though the verse may seem to be instructing the rapist to marry the victim the passage nowhere sanctions, condones or even approves of rape. This is simply a gross misreading of the text. The injunction is intended to instruct the Israelites on how to deal with and address a rape situation if and when it occurs.

Second, by taking a careful look at the context and consulting the original languages of the Scriptures a strong case can be made that this is citation isn’t even addressing a rape case at all. We must remember that the Holy Bible was not written in English. The OT was written in Hebrew, with parts of it being written in Aramaic. The NT was written in Koine or common Greek. This means that if we want to know whether an English translation has faithfully and accurately translated the inspired author’s intended meaning we must turn to the original language of the sacred text. Once this is done, it will become quite apparent that the Holy Bible does not sanction rape at all. The word shakab can refer to a voluntary sexual act between two consenting parties. See Leviticus 15:18 and Numbers 5:11-13.

There are also other translations of that passage. For example the King James version has it this way: "If a man finds a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found...."

Please do proper research before you post such things.

Side: Yes, they should.
Troy8(2431) Disputed
1 point

In this case, the word translated to 'rape' is the Hebrew word chazaq. This does not explicitly mean rape, but rather seizing and having sex with a woman. Different words for rape that are more accurate in the Hebrew language are used in other parts of the Bible.

Also, rape today and back then was not the same. You cannot look at it from a modern cultural world view. By no means was every rape a violent conflict. In fact, many times in the Bible it is equated to consensual sex.

It does get fuzzy, but you can't make any assumptions without studying the Hebrew language and translation, which I don't think you have done.

Side: Yes, they should.
2 points

I like how the only two options are either god doesn't exist, or you belive in IT. I'm not too sure if there is a god, but I know they don't deserve what they get. Anything that has a place where you suffer eternally for not being on their side isn't benevolent.

Side: God doesn't deserve worship
pkl728(28) Disputed
2 points

You are not threatened in any sort of way. From what I've come to understand in my studying and reading, God is benevolent because he ALLOWS you to choose whether or not you want to be part of his kingdom after this life. There is no eternal torture as people would try to have you believe. The idea of hell is an idea of an existence apart from God. He's not throwing you into a fiery chasm and watching you get poked and prodded by little red men. God so loves you that he has given you the free will to follow him or not. It would truly be immoral for God to force you to be in his presence for the rest of eternity if you did not want to be there. That said, an existence apart from God is described as something that you probably do not want to experience but it is not constant torture.

Side: Yes, they should.
Bobbeh(51) Disputed
2 points

It ALLOWS you to join one of the most violent cults on the planet. Real benevolent guy, eh?

Side: God doesn't exist.
elgiza(79) Disputed
1 point

Why God doesn't deserve worship. Look around you. There is so many wonders in life, and the first wonder is your life, construction of your body, natural world. All of these are evidence of the existence of God.

Side: Yes, they should.
Bobbeh(51) Disputed
3 points

I tend to not worship things that threaten to send me to a place of eternal suffering if I don't. Just a personal choice.

Side: God doesn't deserve worship
2 points

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Keeping slaves is one thing, but condoning the mistreating of slaves seems a little illogical.

Side: God doesn't exist.
2 points

Yeah... Um, if you're going to support every word that this "God" states, read Deuteronomy. :/ stoning your kids to death when they talk back, killing the raped woman because she didn't scream out for help... Sounds pleasant, right?

Side: God doesn't exist.
1 point

There is no god cause my life isnt perfect and im awesome

Side: God doesn't exist.
1 point

People are afraid of hell so they try to be good. People believe their god is the only god, so the create war and strife. Not having a god would help some of the craziness in the middle east.

Side: God doesn't exist.
1 point

How the hell does a debate with the title "Should people believe in God or not?" get the winning supposition "God doesn't exist"? This isn't about God existing or not. It's about weather or not people should believe in God. Plenty of people believe things they should or shouldn't and often times its better for everyone else. Some examples: People tell their children not to talk to strangers because they don't want them to get kidnapped even though the vast majority of strangers are not kidnappers. Some cubs fans believe that their team has a shot at winning the world series and its best to keep them believing that so they don't go insane and kill all of us.

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

Since this isn't a matter of who is a better person, An Atheist vs Theist? This is a matter of control and free will. Every human being on this planet has the ability to think for themselves. Unfortunately, speaking for themselves is a different matter. But, no one should be forced to believe in one set of beliefs or another. This is a debate that truly comes out of the novel 1984.

No one should be forced into theism or not.

Side: God doesn't exist.
1 point

Now it is such a bizarrely improbably coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful [the Babel fish] could have evolved by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.

The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED"

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

Douglas Adams

Side: God doesn't exist.
1 point

Believing in God isn't harmful per-say, however religion doesn't remind or warn their flock that the clergy isn't completely sure about God and all the fantastic stories portrayed in the Bible, so keep an open mind, because it might all be a load of crap, don't they? The Bible, Quran etc. doesn't ask the reader to follow the rules and guidelines at their discretion either and just wing it.

Religion is about having blind faith and accepting all the stories and the existence of God without having any doubt about it. And thus, live according to it's rules without question. Any doubt about them will get you at least banned from the local community, village or even your family. Religion will sentence you to eternal punishment and torture in hell for asking doubtful questions and if you are an unlucky sob, your family and former friends will help their God by killing you. This is the true face of religion and without God there wouldn't be religion.

Any system were followers are not allowed to doubt it, is very dangerous and became most clear in Germany. After the Nazis came to power, anyone doubting the Jews of being sub-human would end up in a death-camp with the Jews and all because some Germans and Austrians had blind faith that the Jews were vermin like rats and therefor needed to be destroyed. We all know how that played out, don't we? However there are still people believing without a shred of doubt that the holocaust didn't happen at all. Should we not tell these "holocaust deniers" they're wrong? Should we let such people spread their madness to children, risking yet another holocaust?

Religion is just as evil. It tells us to behave in immoral ways towards other religions or people without religion. It tells us how and when we're allowed to kill women, homosexuals, slaves, even our own children etc. It is discriminatory at its core and if you're not a follower, you too are vermin and your life is worthless.

You are free to disagree with this conclusion, but this only shows you don't know the religious texts well enough and just follow "your" religion because your parents followed it, because their parents (your grandparents) followed it and you were simply conditioned as a child not to question it, thanks to the help of the church and its religion. You really should read the book you use as a guideline for life since it will become clear your parents and grand parents did not because they too were conditioned as a child to do so. And while reading here's a tip (spoiler). The old testament is part of the Bible. It has always been and always will stay part of the Bible. However if you know what i'm talking about you either found a way to accept it without really knowing what you're accepting e.g. you are an complete idiot.. or you're a sociopath lacking compassion and like to murder in the name of God.

And I said it before. Without God there wouldn't be religion and without religion there would not be a system for psychopaths ruling the gullible, keeping them inline by killing the doubtful and the non-followers in gruesome ways and start wars and commit genocide and feel righteous because God commanded it!

Side: God doesn't exist.
1 point

I don't believe that people should believe in God, and therefore I have to take the position that God doesn't exist. Personally, to believe something, it must either have been proven, or be the most realistic/plausible argument. In this case religion isn't the only answer, nor is it the most plausible one and so I don't believe in it or think that others 'should' believe in it.

Side: God doesn't exist.
1 point

There is no good reason to believe in God. I think that the belief in god is a sad world view because it deminished the true awe of the world as an emergent phenomenon. It being created seems to deminish the force of its beauty by removing its having natural origins.

Side: God doesn't exist.
0 points

Isaiah 13:16

Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives ravished (shakab).

(The word "shakab" appeared in the original bible, which means to lay with, or rape, this clearly means that they were forcibly raped, because why would you kill babies, loot houses and then ask politely to the women after destroying their lives)

Side: God doesn't exist.
pkl728(28) Disputed
1 point

This text indicates that the armies of the Lord rape the wives of those God judges. But even this does not validate rape. Rather, the point is that those who act wickedly toward the Lord's people will themselves be treated wickedly by foreign invaders. Just as in the case of the men God ordained to kill Jesus, however, the rapists in this case will not go unpunished. God will judge them as well, despite the fact that he uses their wickedness for his own ends.

Side: Yes, they should.
3 points

But if God is omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good as all believers in God must believe (unless you're telling me that you do not believe that God "is everywhere", "all powerful" and "pure"), then why does he need to use wickedness for his own ends?

First, if he is perfectly good, then he would not advocate wickedness to do anything at all. Second, if he is all powerful, he has the ability to mete out judgement without using wicked means. Finally, if he is omniscient, he will be able to eliminate all evil in the world without resorting to wickedness.

Side: God doesn't exist.
elgiza(79) Disputed
-1 points

According to your arguments I may say that religion causes strict discipline? Isn't it good? People are fearing God and don't do any evil deals. Subsequently, our world is kinder.(were kinder)

Side: Yes, they should.
Bobbeh(51) Disputed
1 point

Really now? Fearing god makes people kind? You're hilarious. Fear doesn't inspire lack of action, it causes it.

Side: God doesn't deserve worship
0 points

The only reason i don't believe in god is that he doesn't allow people to believe in other gods.

Side: God doesn't exist.