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Debate Score:56
Arguments:38
Total Votes:62
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Should political party be removed from the ballot?

Should we just print the name of the candidate on the ballot and not their political party?

Yes

Side Score: 38
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No

Side Score: 18

It may help candidates that today would have to run in a 3rd party and have very little chance of winning.

Side: Yes
3 points

I think doing away with the so-called parties would be great. Vote for what the candidate says, not party.

Side: Yes

I think it might lessen the number of people that just show up and vote a party line without being infomed of the candidates actual positions.

Side: Yes

Good idea because some people just vote on the basis for the party rather than people.

Side: Yes
2 points

It would make things interesting. I don't think anyone is dumb enough to only vote based on what the ballot says, but it would be better just to have names and ignore the fact that parties exist.

Political parties are cool. they expose collectivism in all types. the very fact that people need to make political parties shows just how stupid most human beings are. It's so easy to avoid true political discussion when all you need to do is see who's the Democrat and who's the Republican. Most Democrats probably ignore the fact that Obama gave himself the ability to kill Americans without due process or started two new wars bombing more innocent people because that isn't what Democrats view themselves as. And I bet most Republicans ignore that Romney pretty much created Obamacare because he's a Republican, and Republicans are for small government.

Words like "anti-war" and "free markets" get thrown around by these two parties and people actually believe that these candidates support it. They don't even research what it means to be against the War on Terror or market regulation or the Drug War. I bet there are still some idiots out there who believe that Obama wants to legalize marijuana, despite the fact that he has shut down more legal dispensaries in one term than Bush did in two.

And then these fuckin' conspiracy dipshits who think that Obama is from Kenya and worship Allah. Any dumb excuse to hate someone just because they're a Democrat.

But this is collectivism. It turns so many complex ideals of thought and discussion into easy to read retard symbols. Human beings, in general, are too stupid to think too hard about the economy and the effects of drugs and war. They'd rather hide behind their political parties' beliefs because it makes them feel like they know something.

So fuck it. remove the shit from the ballot. It won't make a difference, but at least we could have some dignity during our elections.

Side: Yes
2 points

In the city I live, over the last two elections, I show up at the polling place and there are anywhere from 30 to 50 people standing in line. I am the only caucasion. Maybe a coincidence, but based on demographic changes over the last ten years for my southern California area, I argue not. What surprised me in both elections was watching and observing the voters that were coming in as a family group. The older generations typically did not speak English. However, I speak enough Spanish to understand "Vote for the people with D behind their names". Where are we as a nation heading over the next 20-years, when the only reason a leader is elected is because the larger share of non-informed voters elected him or her, simply because of party affiliation designation behind their name? It is time to elect a true LEADER, not a political party. Let's elect someone that knows how to move this country forward by creating the opportunities for us typical people that at least offer us the opportunity to create our own wealth. Let's stop with the nonsense of redistribution of wealth from those that succeeded to the back-end of the financial food chain. We are feeding the wrong end. Our current political climate is in control simply because they have the D behind their names and the letter D equates to some type of free governmental handout. Their motto should be, "Vote for D, Get something for free! Will it keep them in power? Absolutely. The question remains though, how long can this country support this type of leadership and "legal vote buying" before this country is totally bankrupt? My guess Obama's 2nd term will answer this question. Because keep in mind, his socialist agenda has been kept in check over the last four years so as not to upset his chances for reelection. Now the gloves are coming off. Now he has nothing to loose. Now we are all about to pay a price none of us could have ever imagined. Thanks to all the voters that simply marked "D" on their ballot instead of studying the contenders for the most powerful position in the world. I think we would have been better served to spend a few hours studying and acting as if we were an employer interviewing a potential applicant for a job. Because in simple terms, that's exactly what we are doing with our election process. We are failing as an employer because we are picking an employee (the President) because they have a great smile, a good personality, his wife looks good and his children appear to be behaved. If you were in business and were making these type of employment reviews and decisions, you would all have to admit you probably not be in business very long. Good looks and a great personality doesn't make you money unless your in the entertainment business. Sorry to say, our US Government should not be in place based upon the employment criteria of the movie business. They should be in place based upon their business sense. After all, isn't running the organization that controls the largest economy in the world actually a business? Of course it is. But that doesn't seem to matter to anyone anymore. Let's just pick a letter to vote for. Instead of removing the affiliation after the name, let's make it simple. Let's just remove the name. What's the difference!!!! Good luck to us all. We are going to need it.

Side: Yes
2 points

I must respond to those that think removing the party affiliation might lower voter turnout.

To this, I say we can only hope so. Think about this logically. The leader with the most votes will likely be elected (excluding the electoral college for a moment). But, if you owned your own business, would you rather have a few knowledgeable and informed people running your business, let's say 6, or would you rather have 1,000 uninformed non-knowledgeable people making decisions for you that will impact your livelihood and that of your families? I personally will take the 6 over the 1,000 anytime. Nothing substitutes for taking the time to make well informed decisions. And I think we can all agree a well informed and studied decision offers a better chance of success than a wild guess. Our current election system has given too much power and credence to the "wild guessers" of our society.

I have a suggestion. Each state randomly selects 1,000 people. It becomes a mandatory civic duty, much like jury duty. And these people must attend classes over the next two weeks for 8-hrs per day doing nothing but learning about the candidates being considered for President. On the last two days, each candidate spend the entire day with nothing but 8-hours of open questions and answers. The candidates don't get to rehearse. They don't get teleprompters. They don't get assistants. It's just them and the 50,000. Then on the Monday after the 2nd week, they all vote. Whoever wins the popular vote out of the 50,000 voters at the end of that day becomes our next leader.

Some of you will think this concept insanity. But you will have to at least admit, if our election process were conducted this way, those 50,000 people would pick the best leader each and every time. Again, we need the best leader. We don't need 6-months of advertising spinning stories of why they are what they really aren't.

Two weeks + 50,000 people + 1-day = A Well Studied and "QUALIFIED" Leader.

So where do we start?

Side: Yes
2 points

Yes. I do not believe in political parties. They are a way for the government to track people. People should be judged on their position, not some retarded political party.

Side: Yes

Political parties rally around their candidates and will defend them even when they act stupidly. Lessening political party influence may help reduce the insane incumbency rate.

Side: Yes
3 points

Parties have platforms that people tend to either most agree with, or mostly disagree with. Including the party they are from makes it easier for those who don't have the time to research each individual candidate the opportunity to vote in the direction they prefer.

I see no harm in having their affiliation listed.

Side: No
3 points

I think parties can exist and endorse candidates etc, but almost every candidate disagrees with their party platform in some regard. Let's say that one of the most important issues for you is abortion; there are many pro-choice Republicans and many pro-life Democrats - how do you know that the candidate on the ballot actually agrees with you and not the other candidate?

makes it easier for those who don't have the time to research each individual candidate

Exactly, it enables, if not encourages, low-information (and no-information) voters.

A party doesn't get elected - only and individual and people should know who they are voting for. It may sound harsh, but I think if people do not have the time to understand who they are voting for, they should not vote.

It helps lessen the power of the two main political parties if we vote based on something more than just their endorsement.

Side: Yes
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

I'd argue if someone votes on a single issue, their very understanding of democracy and the United States as a whole isn't deep enough to merit extra attention as far as how ballots are laid out.

As for enabling low-information voting, okay, that makes sense. Saying it encourages it is not accurate I don't think. People don't make their way to the booth and vote because they think it's super easy. They're not like "I wasn't going to vote, but now that I know how easy it is I'm going to!"

I also think it is inaccurate to call voters low or no information just because they do not recognize a candidate's name. A person can be very knowledgeable about the issues, about where they stand on the issues, and not know what the name of the person who is running in district such and such.

Now, let's look at the other side of the issue. What if you were to discontinue having the party next to the candidate?

What's to stop someone with a ton of campaign financing to blanket certain areas with ads that say they are from the other party in order to get people to vote against their own self-interest?

Say a Romney has a billion + dollars in the bank and really wants to cut back unions. Why not advertise in pro-union areas "I Mitt Romney Love Unions and am a Democrat and if You Vote for Me You Can Keep Your Unions!"

The answer is absolutely nothing. In fact he could run that same ad now (actually surprised he hasn't done something like that) but at least with the party next to his name, those people would know the difference once they're in the booth.

It seems to me not having some party affiliation, whatever that may be, leaves far more room for dishonesty, and I'm not sure I see the payoff in return.

Side: No
1 point

With all due respect, if an individual doesn't have time to research the candidates and make an INFORMED vote, they have no business voting whatsoever.

Side: Yes

I don't think the political party should be removed the ballot, but I do think it should say their name instead of just "Republican/Democrat"

Side: No
1 point

why ?

Side: Yes
2 points

Why are you against it? If someone is the nominee for a party why should they not say on the ballet what party they are running for.

Side: No
1 point

To JustIgnoreMe's last reply in our debate: (And Andy, what's up with Google Chrome all the sudden? I can't "see all replies" or even open a reply in a debate line.)

I see your point about encouraging a more knowledgeable voter, however, I don't necessarily believe that the connection, that lack of listed party affiliation encourages interest or knowledge one way or another, is there. It's a good theory I think. I just don't think it would have the results you believe it would have.

This country already has far too low voter turn out, and far too much misinformation swirling around in their head when they enter that booth.

Making it harder to identify who, at least most likely, represents the opinions the voter has won't solve either of those problems. I believe the connection that this would encourage more research is incorrect. I believe overall it would encourage less voting, and more voting against one's own self interests through, as mentioned, misleading ads targeting specific neighborhoods.

If there were some way to set up a system where people can vote either online or the traditional way, which could somehow not be hacked, and instead of party affiliation you could have links to speeches, voting records, official declarations where each candidate stands on any issue they've posted, etc, and all of this information is represented so that each and every person receives the same information,

Then at some point every American over the age of 18 needs to get to a computer or a booth or mail in something that either is a vote for these various things or a declaration that they are exercising their right not to vote,

And you give them a month to do this in every state so that everyone at least has to see the info even if they don't want to vote,

then I'm for various ideas put in place which encourage more interest.

As it is, I only see this idea leading to less voting and more misinformed voting.

Side: No
1 point

I like this site as I can argue both sides.

I disagree that we should remove the political party from the ballot.

Let's just remove the names instead.

It would save the government the cost of ink! Besides, it's the destination that our current method of electing leaders is taking us anyways. Let's just speed up the process and avoid the years of torture.

Side: No

The voter has to know which political party the candidate represents.

Side: No
JustIgnoreMe(4290) Clarified
2 points

A) why?

B) if it is important to them, shouldn't they know this before they get into the voting booth?

Side: Yes