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Debate Score:97
Arguments:50
Total Votes:118
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Should suicide and euthanasia be legalized?

Yes

Side Score: 67
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No

Side Score: 30
6 points

There's absolutely nothing morally wrong with suicide or euthanasia whenever the individual is not mentally ill, truly in pain and wants to die. It's a mercy in fact. Kids committing suicide and young adults due to mental issues shouldn't be illegal either... what are you going to do arrest them? It's dumb. It should be treated, but not illegal. Law enforcement has plenty to do without worrying about shit like this. It should be handled by psychiatrists and doctors.

And srom has to have a puppet account. No one in their right mind would upvote his senseless, juvenile thoughtless drivel... and now there are two of them apparently. Someone needs to get the autistic kid away from the keyboard and let him play with blocks or crayons or something.

Side: yes
3 points

Is it proper, however, to debate the morality behind the issue?

Saying "there's nothing morally wrong" is claiming that Morality, for some reason, is on your side, especially on an issue like this.

The issue should be on what is more important: a person's morals or a person's right to their own life.

Emotional involvement should only come in to empathize with the person who is being restricted by his government to do with his own life as pleases.

Side: yes
3 points

Er, I agree with the underlying position.

However the actual amount of pain necessary for one to want to commit suicide is a bit more worthy of empathy than your framing of it as empathy for one due to government specifically restricting them from doing something.

After all government restricts people from doing a lot of things, going on toddler killing sprees with machetes for example.

Should we empathize equally with these poor individuals not allowed to indiscriminately decapitate toddlers with machetes because of that goddamn government, as we do for those living with chronic pain not allowed to commit suicide because of the same government?

It's odd wording is all.

But yes, morality shouldn't cloud the issue, at least when compared to one's rights.

I would happily however defend both the morality and what should be the legality of the issue, separately or together.

Side: yes

Perhaps the confusion here lies in the distinction between morality and ethics. I think that when iamdavidh said that, "there's nothing morally wrong", he is considering the ethics of whether suicide and euthanasia should be legalised.

ThePyg also refers to ethics when he says, "The issue should be on what is more important: a person's morals or a person's right to their own life."

My personal stand on this is first to question the motive of the government for making suicide and euthanasia illegal. If there is anyone who can provide a definitive stand from the government's view, only then can we consider whether such a law is ethical or not.

Maybe a few words from Professor Peter Singer in the link below might help.

Supporting Evidence: Ethics vs morals and morality (www.philosophyblog.com.au)
Side: yes
Srom(12205) Disputed
2 points

HA HA HA HA!!!!!! Dude what the hell are you talking about? This teenager right here is not autistic!

You got it all wrong dude. I function like a normal person. I have a life and I don't play with blocks or crayon's. I think you maybe do when since you mentioned it in the first place. I play sports like basketball and football. I play video games, and I read my Bible and go to church and youth group. You got it all wrong dude. Stop making crap up about me. I never say anything to? Why do it to me I never did anything wrong to you.

Side: No

The fact that suicide is illegal is a bit ridiculous anyway, I mean what are they going to do after you kill yourself, take you to jail? ;)

Side: yes
2 points

"Someone needs to get the autistic kid away from the keyboard and let him play with blocks or crayons or something."

Priceless:-)

Side: yes
1 point

mmmm i agree with davidh in the way suicide should be handled...anyway even if suicide is illegal, people would still kill themselves...sometimes if a person is in physical pain, the best way to relieve himself is killing him...even if it is illegal they will commit it and once they do, u cnt take em to jail or punish them...it should be treated by doctors and psychiatrists. and i thought it was a ltl rude the way he insulted srom...

Side: yes
Saurbaby(5579) Disputed
1 point

While I agree that Srom is senseless, I'd appreciate it if you didn't use a serious disorder to insult him.

Side: No
TheThinker(1697) Disputed
1 point

I disagree. It is immoral to commit sucide because the purpose of life is to grow and advance. If one dies, there are not growing or advancing.

Most people would fear when someone puts a gun to their head. Because they don't want to die. So that is why by human nature, i think suicide is immoral. Humanly immoral.

Side: No
2 points

(In general) The law gives us freedom over our own lives. Only when our actions infringe upon the rights of others does the law draw a clear line. (In general) Whenever the law infringes on the rights of the individual, it should be overturned. You do not have the right to tell me what I can and cannot do if it does not affect anyone else (exceptions).

Suicide and euthanasia are conscious decisions by someone to end their own life (for whatever reasons. Unless there is a mental illness complicating the situation, they should be legalized.

There really is no counter-argument.

Side: yes
2 points

In a nation (the USA) that cherishes Liberty and has a document written to ensure the liberties of the citizens (while being protected by those who wish to rob them of their liberties), a law against suicide of any kind is unjust. Why is this?

Justice, to me, does not exist. However, if we are to say that right to life and property are fundamental rights, why would we deviate from it if someone says "I wish to give up my life and property"? To do so would be unjust on the basis that there is nothing reasonable to suggest that it is the right thing to do.

A question of morality has been brought up by a couple of people here, and I would say that Morality is truly irrelevant in a situation where we already know what is considered as "rights" or "liberty". One man's morality is another man's immorality, and in a nation that cherishes liberty and right to life and property, the morality is should have nothing to do with how legislation is made.

I know I may not be descriptive enough on my views on justice, and I'd be happy to answer more questions about it in another setting, but in the end, what have we been promised? To let morals get in the way of what we wish to call ours (life and property), what is the point in a justice system or even a Constitution?

To say that our Bill of Rights is merely a guide and shouldn't be held too close to heart is saying that government has the right to decide what truly is a right.

If, however, you find this whole fascination with Liberty as destructive to your moral code and that things like suicide MUST be legalized, please tell me how your morals are more important than my liberty.

Side: yes

Yes..., and for some people, it should be automatic and mandatory ;-)

Side: yes
2 points

Like dictators.

Side: yes
2 points

There comes a point when one's pain outweighs their desire and capability to carry on living, and the hippocratic oath arguably obligates doctors to carry out those persons' wishes. It is backwards to insist on keeping someone who feels like dying alive against their will. The owner of your life is you, and you can put an end it when you see fit.

Side: yes

I should think that a law prohibiting suicide should be a hard law to enforce.

Side: yes
2 points

Gives new meaning to the phrase "Rotting in Jail".

Side: Yes
2 points

Yes, if legalized it can be done somewhere clean, quick, and painless BUT it should not be immediate. Whoever submits for "Suicide" (In certain countries they have buildings, like a hospitals, that you go, sign your name and it happens. Thats what i mean by "submit") should have to wait a year before it actually occurs. To ensure there is no sudden decisions and to make sure it is what they really want.

Side: Yes

Protecting Life is the fundamental right of humans, and it includes the right to suicide and euthanasia.

Side: yes
1 point

people who have poor quality of life should be able to end it peacefully. If not given the opportunity to die on their own terms legally they will fricken pull out a revolver and JFK themselves.

Side: yes
1 point

At the heart of this question should be whether or not the institutions involved in law making should have a say in whether or not we, as free individuals, should have the right to take our own lives. This question, regarding the morality of rights, instead of the morality of self death, should be more important to this question. People can argue for years on whether or not suicide and euthanasia are moral. And this is the issue with whether or not morality of self death should be involved in this debate - with so much disagreement, who is one individual to hoist his belief onto another?

This question leads to what I feel to be the answer. Nothing should be considered anymore right because of who the person is arguing for it - whether we agree that they are authoritative or not. An argument is right because it is right, and logically so, not because a group agrees upon it. This line of thinking has been, time and time again, proven to be fallacious, the examples of which I won't bore anyone with unless necessary. If, indeed, no one person, then, should force their opinion on any matter upon another, by this logic, then why should the government? The government can be just as wrong as another. Perhaps there are legitimate instances in which suicde or euthanasia can, indeed, be the morally acceptable choice of action. This is all based on perspective, and, in regards to one's own life, the most important perspective is the self.

Based on this line of thinking, the government should have no more a right to stop me from killing myself than any one of the members on this forum do in telling me to stop believing what I do.

Side: yes
1 point

Human beings are the masters of their own destiny. I pity perfectly healthy people who want to kill themselves because they feel life isn't worth living. However I feel that should be their right. In cases of terminally ill people who wish to end their suffering because they know the end is inevitable I ask: why prolong their misery?

Side: yes
1 point

Okay it should be legalized first with sucide

sucide: ok i am on a EHHHH with yes and no it can go both ways but the thing is to me that my dad said to me you should never take your own life no matter whats going on in life because if you think life is bad wait till you get to hell (if you belive) and what not but its the persons choice and for euthanasia it should be legal because if you kill someone to end their pain etc.. then that person will get out of it faster now i dont think it will end will because im sure people will try and fake it to look like euthanasia but its whatever

Side: yes
1 point

It is in Oregon, prescription suicide; and as David Cross puts it, no one wants to live having "been reduced to a shit and piss factory". Dignity is the least we ought to honor.

Side: yes
1 point

(In general) The law gives us freedom over our own lives. Only when our actions infringe upon the rights of others does the law draw a clear line. (In general) Whenever the law infringes on the rights of the individual, it should be overturned. You do not have the right to tell me what I can and cannot do if it does not affect anyone else (exceptions).

Suicide and euthanasia are conscious decisions by someone to end their own life (for whatever reasons. Unless there is a mental illness complicating the situation, they should be legalized.

There really is no counter-argument.

Side: yes

Yes..., and for some people, it should be automatic and mandatory ;-)

Side: yes

But only as a last resort. Like for example if you are extremely sick and are going to die anyway.

Side: yes
2 points

In my point of view, life is valuable. If suicide is legalized, many of the younger generations will lose the contextual view that life is valuable and start treating suicide as a game. People commit suicide mainly because they feel that the world is real unfair to them or have been pushed to the far end of life to continue living, that is only then that these people view suicide as the only way out. In the current terms of murder, assault whatsoever, one can view suicide as murdering oneself and giving oneself the unnecessary death penalty, so should suicide become legalized, we will lose more kids and have a weaken community which could damage the country. Hence, suicide and euthanasia should not be legalized.

Side: No
Saurbaby(5579) Disputed
1 point

I believe there would be regulations if it were to be made legal.

For example, it would be like cigarettes and drinking, not legal to anyone of a certain age. Because we do have to take into account that teenagers are still growing and their hormones make them impulsive.

But for adults, I believe that they should have the choice. It's not fair to force someone to live with something they may very well not be able to handle.

Side: yes
1 point

Suicide should not be legalized because it is killing oneself and you shouldn't be killing yourself even if its a bad thing that has happened to you.

Side: No
Saurbaby(5579) Disputed
2 points

Oh really, suicide is killing yourself?

There's no need for you to tell us that.

And that's hardly and argument. WHY? Why is killing yourself a bad thing?

Side: yes
Srom(12205) Disputed
1 point

Killing yourself is a bad thing because you shouldn't kill yourself. God is suppose to know what time you shall die and stuff. He is the giver of life and death. You shouldn't kill yourself over something that is going on in your life. Its also a killing of oneself

Side: No
1 point

Question: "Why should I not commit suicide?"

Answer: Our hearts go out to those who have thoughts of ending their own lives through suicide. If that is you right now, it may speak of many emotions, such as feelings of hopelessness and despair. You may feel like you are in the deepest pit, and you doubt there is any hope of things getting better. No one seems to care or understand where you are coming from. Life just is not worth living...or is it?

If you will take a few moments to consider letting God truly be God in your life right now, He will prove how big He really is, “for nothing is impossible with God” (Luke 1:37). Perhaps scars from past hurts have resulted in an overwhelming sense of rejection or abandonment. That may lead to self-pity, anger, bitterness, vengeful thoughts, or unhealthy fears that have caused problems in some of your most important relationships.

Why should you not commit suicide? Friend, no matter how bad things are in your life, there is a God of love who is waiting for you to let Him guide you through your tunnel of despair and out into His marvelous light. He is your sure hope. His name is Jesus.

This Jesus, the sinless Son of God, identifies with you in your time of rejection and humiliation. The prophet Isaiah wrote of Him in Isaiah 53:2-6, describing Him as a man who was “despised and rejected” by everyone. His life was full of sorrow and suffering. But the sorrows He bore were not His own; they were ours. He was pierced, wounded, and crushed, all because of our sin. Because of His suffering, our lives can be redeemed and made whole.

Friend, Jesus Christ endured all this so that you might have all your sins forgiven. Whatever weight of guilt you carry, know that He will forgive you if you humbly receive Him as your Savior. “...Call upon me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you...” (Psalm 50:15). Nothing you have ever done is too bad for Jesus to forgive. Some of His choicest servants committed gross sins like murder (Moses), murder and adultery (King David), and physical and emotional abuse (the apostle Paul). Yet they found forgiveness and a new abundant life in the Lord. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17).

Why should you not commit suicide? Friend, God stands ready to repair what is “broken,” namely, the life you have now, the life you want to end by suicide. In Isaiah 61:1-3, the prophet wrote, “The LORD has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor…to comfort all who mourn, and provide for those who grieve…to bestow on them a crown of beauty instead of ashes, the oil of gladness instead of mourning, and a garment of praise instead of a spirit of despair.”

Come to Jesus, and let Him restore your joy and usefulness as you trust Him to begin a new work in your life. He promises to restore the joy you have lost and give you a new spirit to sustain you. Your broken heart is precious to Him: “The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise” (Psalm 51:12, 15-17).

Will you accept the Lord as your Savior and Shepherd? He will guide your thoughts and steps—one day at a time—through His Word, the Bible. “I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will counsel you and watch over you” (Psalm 32:8). “He will be the sure foundation for your times, a rich store of salvation and wisdom and knowledge; the fear of the LORD is the key to this treasure” (Isaiah 33:6). In Christ, you will still have struggles, but you will now have hope. He is “a friend who sticks closer than a brother” (Proverbs 18:24). May the grace of the Lord Jesus be with you in your hour of decision.

If you desire to trust Jesus Christ as your Savior, speak these words in your heart to God: “God, I need you in my life. Please forgive me for all that I have done. I place my faith in Jesus Christ and believe that He is my Savior. Please cleanse me, heal me, and restore my joy in life. Thank You for Your love for me and for Jesus' death on my behalf.”

Supporting Evidence: Why not to commit suicide? (www.gotquestions.org)
Side: No
ricedaragh(2494) Disputed
4 points

Sentimental drivel.

I suffered depression for a good many years and strangely enough the further I moved from the church the better I got.

Side: yes
WizardDevil(22) Disputed
1 point

Your argument (Did you steal it from that website, or are you the author of that material? Either way, seems lazy the way you presented it) tell not of whether killing oneself should be legal or whether it should not. Even if I were to ascertain a viable argument by which suicide or euthanasia could be determined immoral (Which, upon inspection, an open minded individual will not find one in your paragraphs), even then, you have failed to answer the question presented.

The question is whether or not it should be legal - not whether or not it is moral. Morality and legality are entirely exclusive and separate.

Further, your argument is the equivalent of saying, "if you do A, life will be better." This is a poor argument for what you're trying to do (Evangelize hopeless individuals into your religion). While Jesus and the religion he spawned have statistically been shown to help some people come back from the brink of suicide, so have other things. You haven't offered any real proof as to why Jesus should be the one we should trust. Why not the giant flying spaggheti monster? Would a whole group of atheists not offer the type of social support necessary in our times of need? Why not drugs and psychiatry? Can one not evade suicide through these things as well, perhaps?

For my own argument, see the left side of this debate.

Side: yes
1 point

It takes a certain amount of instability in order to truly consider suicide. Definitively, making a life-or-death decision in this state is not a good idea. People should not be given this option. I understand there is no real way to stop suicide, but by legalizing euthanasia, we are only devaluing life.

No matter how bad someone's situation specific to them individually is, there can always be a strong argument made for life and to continue living.

I am usually all for making controversial things legal, based on the principle that people should be able to do almost anything they want and make this choice themselves. But in this case, I think way too many people would abuse the ability to use euthanasia legally.

Side: No
1 point

No... With debates going on if Death penalty must be removed, it would be crazy to legalize Suicide. Legalizing suicide is like saying that if you have no go, just kill yourself. That is really wrong. A wrong notion to the younger generation. It must absolutely not be legalized. Just not...

Besides, Euthanasia is a different thing. It is a completely different aspect that has to be sometimes in greatest of needs utilized. It is kind of a requirement at times.

Side: No
1 point

Suicide, in my opinion, should not be legalised. The whole idea of killing yourself, and people just sitting idly by when others kill themselves is just wrong. Life is a valuable thing, and must be respected for what it is. If someone would get to the point where they want to kill themselves, then there must be some kind of problem in that life, that can be sorted out. Rather than the Government sitting by while people kill themselves, they could just as easily set up programs to help out with those who are suicidal. Obviously, this would be costly, but then again, the benefits are more people having successful lives, which can earn the money back in return in many ways. What kind of world would we live in, if people can just jump off a building with no one being able to stop them?

Side: No
1 point

LOL I had no clue the Law had any bearing on someones choice to commit suicide or not since they will be dead anyways after the fact do not face any criminal charges unless somehow their family does which I doubt.. Unbeknownst to me, I had non idea it was legal or illegal, well besides in the military in that they don't pay the family any CASH MONEY (ching ching)

Side: No
Saurbaby(5579) Disputed
1 point

If you're unsuccessful, which happens fairly often, there's some legal issues. And it's not like you can do it cleanly, if it were legalized then they could do it painlessly and quickly.

Side: Yes
0 points

Sucide should not be legalized because it is a killing of oneself. You shouldn't be killing yourself over something you can do. Just because you feel like you want to die doesn't mean you can kill yourself at all. You can get it over it.

Side: No
Saurbaby(5579) Disputed
2 points

Stop using different accounts to make the same poor argument.

And elder person can't just "get over" something causing them pain. And some people suffer to the point that they can't handle it, and who has the right to make them suffer?

Side: yes
zombieslayer(18) Disputed
0 points

no one cares dude !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:) lol

Side: No
Srom(12205) Disputed
-1 points

Stop messing with my bro cause if you mess with him you mess with me!

Side: No
0 points

It should not be legalized, it's absolutely stupid topic and there is no controversial

Side: yes
Saurbaby(5579) Disputed
2 points

Yet everyone is saying it should be? And we're debating a out it?

Obviously it is not stupid. And your opinion has no reasoning.

Side: yes