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Debate Score:14
Arguments:12
Total Votes:15
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Should the NHS treat "Self-inflicted illnesses"?

Should Health care services such as the NHS treat illnesses such as obesity, lung cancer caused by smoking or liver cirrhosis caused by excess alcohol consumption?

YES

Side Score: 8
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NO

Side Score: 6
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A health service has its duty and obligation to treat its patients. The NHS, in this case, operates on taxpayers' money. Smokers and alcoholics pay tax, too, therefore they are entitled to treatment even if they do cause their own problems.

Side: YES
1 point

Superficially: These persons will present with more serious complications, likely in an ER setting where it is both impractical and illegal to refuse immediate care for any reason (including lack of insurance). The implication of this is that by not insuring "self-inflicted" illnesses those who cannot afford to seek interventionary care will not do so, and the costs of that kind of care are considerably less than the burden imposed upon the state and taxpayers by ER visits when that care does not occur.

More critically: I think the line between "self-inflicted" illness and other illness is blurry, at best. Particularly in the case of conditions like alcoholism and in some cases of obesity, for example, we know that while an individual exists to be held to account there are also complicating variables such as genetic disposition and environmental conditioning that are at least partially (if not entirely) to fault for the situation.

Side: YES
1 point

I believe that the basic concept of socialized medicine or a national health system, one is made to expect that all health care is to be provided for and in order of first come first served by severity of the need. I do not think self-inflicted or otherwise makes a difference.

Side: YES
1 point

You cannot prove that someone go lung cancer because of smoking ...

Side: YES

No illness should go untreated. It would be cruel to turn a patient away.

Side: YES

It pisses me off how the NHS\NICE refuses to adopt new cancer drugs for financial reasons and yet suggest that the government funds all overweight people to go to weight loss classes, bearing in mind that over 60% of the population in Britain are overweight. Why should we have to pay for other peoples bad decisions when there are people out there who are ill for not for there own fault to pay for?

Side: NO
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Weight loss class costs £300 per whole year. Treating heart disease is £200 000+. It's simply the lesser evil...

Side: YES
1 point

We should pay for neither and just expect for them to pay for self-inflicted ilnesses that was the point of the debate. We just expect people to lose weight by themselves. If they don't lose the weight just make them pay for their own heart disease.

Side: NO
1 point

Those with self inflicted illnesses have caused their illnesses though. There are lots of schemes out there that can help smokers quit and help obese people cut down yet most ignore theses and come running to the NHS when they get ill. so why should they be helped when there are thousands of other more serious illnesses that healthcare services could be treating

Side: NO
1 point

The Cigarette packets even says "SMOKING KILLS" therefore if those with emphysema(Caused by smoking) have been cautioned that their lifestyle choices and actions could have an adverse effect on them, then the NHS shouldn't treat them. simple.

Side: NO
1 point

With the finances of the N.H.S, under extreme pressure I feel that there should be a 'sliding scale' of points being deducted from those whose contributory negligence and/or reckless lifestyle was,to a greater or lesser extent the cause of their ailment. The greater the self infliction the lower down the priority scale they would be placed, but those who were ill through no fault of their own, such as sick children, being prioritized for immediate treatment. The sponsors of sporting fixtures should be legally compelled to provide insurance to cover the cost of any injury sustained by the participants and audience of all profit making events. On bottles of bleach there are clear warnings stating that consumption of the substance will cause death, therefore no one drinks the deadly liquid. Yet there are idiots who proceed to smoke tobacco products regardless of the exact same warnings being displayed on the packaging. Perhaps 60 years ago people were ignorant about the strong likelihood,if not the inevitability of becoming addicted to drugs. However, for 20-30 years or more the deadly health hazards associated with drug abuse has been wildly known and extensively circulated. Yet the pleasure seeking lotus eaters persist in drugging themselves into a stupor and soon become addicted to hallucinogenic drugs and then go crying for help. Indeed not only do these low lives go crying for medical treatment, but they demand the provision of special clinics to help them, either handle their addiction or help ween them off the drugs they were warned, through expensive government advertisements, not to take in the first place. Alcohol abuse is the source of many diseases and once more the weak minded morons who knowingly consume excessive amounts should be well down the priority list. Those who should also be included on the low preference list are those who will not stop feeding their stinking guts with ridiculously enormous amounts of food. Everyone knows the shocking diseases which obesity creates, yet the mindless gobbling gluttons continue to stuff their faces with the inevitable development of diseases such as hypertension and diabetes for which they will require expensive medication and treatment,probably for the rest of their selfish, self indulgent lives.. It is not an argument to say that these irresponsible groups pay their taxes the same as everyone else. The N.H.S is just about to break open at the seams due to the unnecessary and preventable financial pressure being placed upon it by the dregs of our society. All patients should be subject to a grading procedure which would be calculated on the degree to which their malady was self imposed.

Side: NO

(Sorry double post)

Side: NO