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Debate Score:37
Arguments:34
Total Votes:39
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Should the USA be have it's intelligence services significantly reduced?

The American's spying agencies seem to be on a private mission to annoy their nation's allies. They first bugged the ministerial offices of many European nation's and now they've seemed to have ticked of the UN.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/25/us-usa-security-nsa-idUSBRE97O08120130825

Yes

Side Score: 16
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No

Side Score: 21
1 point

Yea. After the public finds out that the intelligence services did something totally asinine, they stand up there and cry, "We did it to protect you from terrorist".

Yea right, when the President of Russia calls you and you do nothing about it. Yea, that's "protect us from terrorist".

Side: Yes
2 points

Fuck the UN! We supply most of their funding so we should have access to everything anyway and if they got nuthin' to hide then what's the problem?

Side: No
1 point

If your government has nothing to hide why do they have official secrets acts?

Side: Yes
GuitarGuy(6096) Clarified
1 point

The UK is the definition of Official Secrets Acts...

Side: Yes
Hellno(17756) Disputed
1 point

Seriously Ax? The UK isn't any different than us.... glass houses?

Side: No

I don't know. Maybe there are some things that are going on that we don't know or need to know about and they are just doing this for America's safety.

Side: No
DevinSeay(1120) Disputed
1 point

Our allies?!?!? You have to be kidding me.

Side: Yes
Intangible(4933) Disputed
1 point

Being an Ally makes it easier for you to remain off the radar.

Because no normal person would ever suspect an ally.

That's why I said maybe we don't know enough. I'd like to hear both sides before I say we need to reduce something.

Side: No
Axmeister(4320) Disputed
1 point

How is the United Nations a threat to America's safety?

Side: Yes
Intangible(4933) Disputed
1 point

Like I said. They maybe keeping things from us that we don't know. Is that so hard to comprehend?

Side: No
1 point

No the USA is dumb already ;)

Side: No

Upvoted for sausage .

Side: No
1 point

The OP misused it's, as it should be its. However, I don't think he's from the USA...

Side: No
1 point

My apologies, you are correct in my grammatical error. You are also right in that I'm not from the USA.

Side: Yes
1 point

When it comes to spying on its own citizens, my answer would be yes. As for other countries, every country has some sort of espionage branch that keeps tabs on allies and foes alike. If they say they don't, they're lying their asses off.

Side: No
Axmeister(4320) Disputed
1 point

The United Nations is a peaceful international body, there is no reason to spy on them unless there are aggressive intentions. Also the USA has abused the fact that the head quarters of the United Nations is within their nation.

Side: Yes
lupusFati(790) Disputed
1 point

That's pretty naive of you, eh? I'm especially wary of anyone who wants to unite the world. They're the real threat.

Side: No
1 point

In 2004 the USA went into Iran under the premise of locating and removing WOMDs. One of the best intelligence organizations in the world made such a huge mistake as there was not one WOMD. How the hell did they not go on international trial for making such a blunder? Oh yeah, they have veto-power and a major UN seat, that's why.

Side: No
Hellno(17756) Disputed
2 points

You lost me at Iran.

Side: Yes
timber113(796) Disputed
1 point

I wouldn't expect you to read on: America has been commiting atrocities since birth and because you benefit as a people you ignore it.

Side: No