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Wait, what? Sure, why not
Debate Score:15
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Should the US decriminalize all drugs?

Wait, what?

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Sure, why not

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Should the US decriminalize all drugs?

No, bescause people on the street could create drugs that are deadly or toxic biologically in terms of how they make you behave and what they do to one's mind, and drugs would all be legal.

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JustIgnoreMe(4316) Clarified
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People create dangerous narcotics today - having a legal outlet would increase consistency and reduce the likelihood of people taking unknown/homemade substances.

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BigTrain(15) Clarified
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People create dangerous narcotics today - having a legal outlet would increase consistency and reduce the likelihood of people taking unknown/homemade substances.

There'd still be a market for homemade, more cost effective products.

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No, bescause people on the street could create drugs that are deadly or toxic biologically

Bronto, you are literally a moron. In all honestly I don't even know how anybody can possibly even be so stupid.

Firstly, people can create deadly drugs right now. They don't need permission.

Secondly, the entire point of legalising drugs is to control them, create easier access for users, and remove the market profitability for people making deadly drugs which are unsafe.

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1 point

Substances that are known to do severe harm to your body and mental state are detriments to society. Though, I take that position all the way to things like cigarettes and alcohol, but whatever. Also, if you imply legal production plants for hard drugs to start springing up, there's no doubt criminal drug traffickers wouldn't hesitate burning them to the ground and murdering the founders, especially with them being such public competition. You can expect addiction rates to rise as well, since making hard drugs legal doesn't make them any less cripplingly addictive (even non-laced) and would encourage first-time users as there'd be no risk of danger from buying off the streets or possession charges. It's just way too messy of an industry to try and regulate being legal.

A country that's able to push drugs out completely and have a virtually nonexistent addiction/drug crime rate is, to me at least, a better ideal to strive towards than one where you can legally get addicted to meth, go bankrupt from your addiction and end up blowing your brains out. That's a bit on the extreme side, yeah; but ignoring the extremes doesn't mean they don't happen.

Now, what I could get behind is eliminating prison sentences for possession charges if they're determined to be an addict with personal use amounts. Mandated rehab would do much more good than just tossing addicts in cells to keep their desire to quit and better themselves at 0.

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Also, if you imply legal production plants for hard drugs to start springing up, there's no doubt criminal drug traffickers wouldn't hesitate burning them to the ground and murdering the founders

That's a bit of a joke. Is that what happens to shops selling legal alcohol? Do criminals burn them to the ground so they can sell you moonshine?

What an idiot.

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Shellackle(4) Disputed
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Yeah but bootlegging moonshine isn't really steeped in violent crime like cartels for heroin, coke and the like. Most people bootleg for personal consumption or close friends/family. Just because you always hear "drugs and alcohol" together like that doesn't mean they're one in the same in terms of addiction, effects of use, and crime.

Also, I think it's very possible to have a debate without slapping a petty insult at the end to seemingly discredit and disregard one's entire argument, especially seeing that you only took a small portion of my initial argument to "refute".

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JustIgnoreMe(4316) Clarified
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"criminal drug traffickers"

I don't think there would be a major concern about a criminal market trying to compete with a free one:

https://www.marijuanamoment.net/border-patrol-union-head-admits-legalizing-marijuana-forces-cartels-out- of-the-market/

But there could be some concerns about the impact that making drugs legal here could have in countries that don't legalize.

"expect addiction rates to rise"

That hasn't actually been the case:

"since total decriminalization, addiction rates have fallen and injection (IV) drug use is down by 50 percent"

https://www.positivenewsus.org/portugal-cut-addiction-by-decriminalizing-drugs.html

"A country that's able to push drugs out completely"

Doesn't exist.

"eliminating prison sentences for possession"

completely agree

Side: Wait, what?

Increases taxable revenue. Can use part of this increase and the decrease in spending to provide information and rehabilitation services and still save on tax expenditures.

Side: Sure, why not

Less work for cops, prisons, courts, etc. and fewer vectors for (implicit and explicit) bias to manifest.

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Legal drugs are less likely to be cut with unwanted substances (e.g. Fentanyl, laundry detergent, etc.)

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Shellackle(4) Clarified
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That doesn't make things like cocaine any less severely addictive. Hard drugs are also some of the worst substances health-wise that you can willingly put into your body. That statement kinda implies "pure" drugs are much safer.

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JustIgnoreMe(4316) Clarified
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If you look at places that have legalized weed, they didn't just make everything the most addictive possible - there are stains with low THC and 'high' THC (see the pun there), even better, they are labeled as such.

Criminal drug dealers have just as much, or more, incentive to make their drugs as addictive as possible at first, then once someone is highly addicted, cutting it with cheap fillers.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeadams/2019/04/18/two-reasons-to-legalize-marijuana-embalming-fluid-and-fentanyl-laced-pot-on-black-market/

Side: Wait, what?

Allows for better study of positive and negative effects.

More information about drug interactions and contraindications.

Side: Sure, why not