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To war, by Jingo! Fuck that, let's get high!
Debate Score:16
Arguments:20
Total Votes:16
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Should the USA fight ISIS with their military?

To war, by Jingo!

Side Score: 9
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Fuck that, let's get high!

Side Score: 7

ISIS is killing it's own people in cruel ways for meaning less crimes based off of the teachings of an ancient warlord. This may not be our war, but can we just sit on the sidelines while those around us commit such unspeakable acts? We live in an ever more globalized society, so it is not unreasonable to consider other nations half a world away our neighbors. Do we really want to live in a neighborhood where theocrats are allowed to kill off their subjects and degrade society? Even just sending unmanned drones would make a difference and we wouldn't have to put troops on the line. Be sure to check out my supporting evidence as it is crucial to my argument. ;)

Supporting Evidence: Super Duper Factual Evidence (rwno.limewebs.com)
Side: To war, by Jingo!

You are saying that other countries have the right to execute their will and force it upon another country just because the world is more "globalized". So would you be upset if another country decided to attack America because they don't like America attacking others? The same logic would apply. If a country doesn't like the actions of another country they have the right to invade and enforce their "believed to be correct" policies. I'm not sure this justifies America's lust for control. This isn't an argument, but more of a commentary.

Side: To war, by Jingo!
Jace(5161) Clarified
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A better parallel would be to ask if one would support a foreign military intervention in the US if the nation experienced an internal militant threat that was seriously destabilizing it.

Side: To war, by Jingo!
Jace(5161) Disputed
1 point

This may not be our war, but can we just sit on the sidelines while those around us commit such unspeakable acts?

Yes. Though we should recognize the manner in which that might come back to hurt us eventually. Notably, military engagement is hardly the only form of action and not engaging in it is not necessarily the same as sitting on the sidelines.

Side: Fuck that, let's get high!
daver(1771) Disputed
1 point

Right. We could get the UN to threaten sanctions against ISIS. Or we could ask them to meet with us and talk about peaceful coexistence. Good luck with that Jace.

Side: To war, by Jingo!
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Our military has as its primary responsibility, the protection of our nation.

ISIS has clearly stated their intent to make war on the US.

Why would it not follow that we use our military for our protection?

Side: To war, by Jingo!
Jace(5161) Disputed
1 point

It does not follow when doing so exacerbates the situation by fueling the ideology that threatens us.

Side: Fuck that, let's get high!
daver(1771) Disputed
1 point

Oh right, we should stay home lest we make bad people mad at us.

By that logic we should not have retaliated against Japan for attacking Pearl harbor. Come on Jaycees, that's a dumb perspective and you ain't dumb.

Side: To war, by Jingo!
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When they threaten the lives of others around the world, then yes I do believe they need to be stomped down. Their getting very very "nazi-ish" lately, killing women and children, and burning/trashing books and art that is anything ant-muslim, wanting to rid the world of non-muslims. I believe we should snuff them out. If they don't watch out, their going to piss some pretty countries off.

Side: To war, by Jingo!

I don't have that much in common with Obama, but I agree with his statement during his state of the union address. Coalition building and diplomatic action is a much more effective way of fighting and it doesn't involve us getting dragged into another land which will (a real shocker) cause more turmoil in the region and create a similar crisis in the future. The United States needs to stop playing police officer and listen to the actual police of the world, the United Nations.

Side: Fuck that, let's get high!
Jace(5161) Clarified
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[...] cause more turmoil in the region and create a similar crisis in the future."

Not to mention build the basis for extremist ideologies.

[...] and listen to the actual police of the world, the United Nations.

We certainly should not be playing the role, but I am not entirely convinced that the U.N. ought to be either.

Side: To war, by Jingo!