Should the United States become a communist country?
Well China is the land of the future. It's where all the jobs are going and it will soon have the largest most advanced military in human history. Communism has won and caplitalism has completely failed. If the past five years have proven nothing else it's that things will only get worse in the USA until the country finally falls apart. So to make things easier for citizens do you think the United States govenment should embrase communism since it has already won the fight.
Yes it should.
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No it should not.
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Well whatever you happen to call it,the fact remains that China is the power that rules now and the future lies with them. So the question still is why are we not following their lead and becoming just like them? I mean clearly things like limiting couples to having one child and only allowing one political party along with stronger control of the press help keep China stable and are the reason that they are the land of the future. Why shouldn't the United States adopt those same policies and become strong like China and get the jobs back in our country? Side: Yes it should.
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Well then explain why china is so much better off then the united states and why they are a rising power and the United States has completely fallen apart. It seems to work for china. It worked for a long time in Russia and it is doing fine in north Korea. Face it communism is the way of the future. Capitalism is dead. There is no futures the united states system or way of life. Having 1% controlling 99% of the wealth does not work. The United States is a failure of a country and should be pulled down and rebuilt in the mode of China and Russia. Side: Yes it should.
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Well then explain why china is so much better off then the united states and why they are a rising power and the United States has completely fallen apart. China has gotten to where it is through slavery and oppression. It has utilised a ruthless capitalist policy that has seen the average man thrust into abject poverty whilst the government officials sit in a palace of gold. Quite the opposite of communism, don't you think? Further, the US has not fallen apart. It is not as strong as it was, but such is the nature of boom and bust. What matters most is that the US is far more sustainable as an economy than China, whose 1 child policy has ravaged any hopes of them sustaining their position as a global power. It worked for a long time in Russia and it is doing fine in north Korea. Er, what? You do know what happened in those countries right? In the USSR, 75% of the nation's food came from the private sector, which composed just 2% of the USSR (some figures even credit 95%+ to the private sector). The result saw the millions of public sector workers horribly underpaid and overworked, leading to starvation, poverty and ultimately revolution. The same is true of North Korea, but on a smaller scale (being a smaller country). Capitalism is dead. So China is dead? Having 1% controlling 99% of the wealth does not work. This is actually far more true in the pseudo-communist countries than in the US, where the aristocracy is hilariously privileged. The United States is a failure of a country and should be pulled down and rebuilt in the mode of China and Russia. Let's be frank here. Out of the US and the USSR, only the US is here today. That should tell you a hell of a lot about which one really is the failure. PS: Not sure if you know this by the way, but China is completely dependent on the US for economic success. If the US stopped trading with China, the US would be relatively fine, contrary to popular belief. China though would collapse in a fireball of inflation, akin to post WW1 Germany. Side: No it should not.
I'm not arguing weather communism is correct or not. I am arguing that perfect communism can not be achieved, thus the US cannot become a communist country. As for the DPRK, they are Juchie, not communist. China is state-capitalist, and the USSR collapsed due to Stalin and Brezhnev . Side: No it should not.
China is not so much better off as you say... basic macroeconomics tells us this because of comparative advantage. China has an advantage to production just like the US still has the advantage for skilled services and technology. The US still has a nominal GDP that is DOUBLE of China's'. If you had ever been to main land China you would know this from basic observation. Just because China is advancing at a faster pace then the U.S. doesn't mean they will surpass the U.S. or even catch up with the U.S. The economy goes in cycles, China is currently experiencing what the US experienced during the "industrial revolution". The sky isn't failing on the U.S. as many would like to believe. The U.S economic situation is more do to the Governments intrusions into the private sector with crippling over-regulations, and cronie capitalism. Adding more to this, or becoming a Communistic country wouldn't help the problems but just make them even larger and basically impossible to reverse and correct. Side: No it should not.
Whatever system you choose, there must be a way for a man to better his life. Period. Without that goal/drive I think people literally go crazy. Its naive to think that man can wake up each morning and work solely for the good of everyone. Its a great "dream", but I think the human mind find finds it "boring" as time goes on. People want to have a "drive" (reason for living) and the most powerful drive is to make ones own life or the life of their children better. I'm not saying that "drive" has to be at the detriment of everyone else (pure capitalism?), but it needs to be a component of life. Neither pure communism or pure capitalism can ever work in my mind. There has to be a mix. Side: No it should not.
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While I agree with your view, it reminds me very much of a debate I once had a while ago on this site. A user who sadly no longer comes on argued that capitalism doesn't provide superior motivation. He sent me a video, which if you get the time, you should watch. It definitely made me rethink my views on motivation. Motivation
Side: No it should not.
Thanks for the video. While I agree with what is being said, I'm not sure it applies to the "larger" scheme of things. The studies he talks about are relatively small work tasks and the basic conclusion that I draw is people do better work if they are not in a rush. If you motivate someone to finish quickly, I think most people "panic" and can't think clearly any more. This is obvious from looking at most students taking a tests (myself included). You may understand Algebra and be able to solve any problem at home at your own pace, but given a large number of problems and a finite amount of time causes a "paralysis of the mind" which make many people test poorly. For all the real world examples in the video the workers are still earning a living, and I suspect that workers who are "thinking out of the box" better or "being more creative" are being compensated more over time. Not "rewarded" on a weekly bases, but each year one worker gets a 6% raise and another gets a 5% raise. I think if you told the workers in those companies "..every position is the same, everyone makes the same salary (adjusted for inflation), forever.." they would eventually have no "good" workers. You can be inspired for many reasons, but for most "work" tasks that inspiration/motivation wears off. Maybe in a month, or maybe in a year. Not many jobs result in "intrinsic rewards" in the work itself. Yes, if you work feeding children in Africa, you may be rewarded emotionally every day, but if your just sitting at the office writing software code or attaching computer chips to a circuit board, your motivation will go down over time no matter how much time and autonomy your are given. The other problem with "everyone working for the group" is some people work for the group hard and some don't work at all. If you take away the benefits of hard work, the population over time will gravitate toward the least amount of work while still surviving (on average). Eventually, the government has to step in and "force" people to work harder and that is when the society and the government will collapse. I think there must be a mix between capitalism and socialism which is exactly what we have in the US. Side: No it should not.
Captalism hasn't failed. The politicians have failed the people, as well as actively working against the economy. I'm of a mind that many politicians in our government actually seek a socialist or communist government for our nation, and work towards that agenda. And they're not limited to the communist party, either. As for China being 'the land of the future', perhaps. But it's not a bright one, that's for sure. Side: No it should not.
While I think all of our politicians support some level of socialism for good reason, I don't know of any that support a true socialism or communism over capitalism. Just because someone wants one aspect of our society to be a "benefit for the common good", does not mean you want everything to work that way. What is your list of politicians that want a socialist or communist government? Side: Yes it should.
It's more a general disillusionment, though given some time I could name more than a few if I had to. I'd rather not since that's really beside the point. I feel some would be happy converting over to socialism or communism though, so long as they remained wealthy and in power of course. Calling it 'true communism' is something of a joke, since that only works in theory, and only in theory. Side: Yes it should.
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Well then if that is true it seems the solution for fixing this dying country is to get rid of congress. They have never done anyone any good any way. All they do is get deadlocked and cause trouble. I say we either need a one party system or just get rid of congress and let the executive and the courts make the laws. What we have now clearly doesn't work and the average tax payers are the ones who are paying the price for congress refusing to get along. Side: Yes it should.
Unfortunately that would merely open up an even bigger can of worms. While I think some form of revolution is indeed in order, I also realize that human beings are primarily interested in themselves above others. This makes corruption highly likely no matter the form of government, though some forms are far more susceptible than others. The power gap left behind by our current cancerous Congress would merely breed something of a more deadly and oppressive nature. A society better than what we currently have is highly unlikely, at least as a long term plan. Perhaps I'm just being pessimistic, but there are two extremes, Anarchy (lack of government) and Order (effects of government). A balance somewhere in between is necessary, in my view. Currently I view our government as sliding more and more to the Order side as it gets more and more involved in our day to day affairs. I don't really need to explain Anarchy. So either extreme is equally unpleasant, imho. Side: No it should not.
Cognitive-dissonance. If capitalism and free enterprise was so flawed by comparison, the U.S. would not be the global superpower that it is today. Some even call us a "hyper-power", look at the existing facts and not at the paranoid delusions of the uneducated. All we have to do is not pay China back, it is really that simple. We have weapons and factories, China has IOU's. China is extremely inflexible and unadaptable, they recently had a "3G revolution" in which they had to practically restructure their entire country for. Look at history, communist nation-states are just not viable. Take a look at "ChinaSmack.com", China is much more unstable then what they portray, their own citizens will testify to this (ChinaSmack.com). The only nation state that can still be called communist is North Korea, have u seen the state of their nation lately? Russia, China and Vietnam have all dumped communism, what does that tell u? Communism is the delusion of the desperate. Did u mean to say "socialism"? Side: No it should not.
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Maybe I do mean socialism but the fact remains that if China called in all of it's IOUs the United States would fall apart. If China is so much worse off then how come they have a surplus of both money and jobs? Why does the US need China's money if we are such a great power. It's clear business don't like the system the United States has otherwise they would be creating jobs here instead of china. I think all the infighting in congress just makes things worse. That is why I think whatever you call the system in china we need it here and we need to get rid of congress. Congress does no one any good and we would all be better off with a stable government that isn't fighting over every little issue. Also if China is doing so poorly how come they are about to overtake the US's number one spot in the world? I just don't get how anyone can say China isn't doing better then the US given the stories we hear on the news every day. Side: Yes it should.
First off, we can easily just not pay them, second; China and the U.S. r somewhat codepended (some may argue to what extent), if the U.S. we're to collapse, China would follow soon after. china is not "taking our spot", their economy has grown very rapidly, but has slowed greatly in the last couple years. If u follow global business, u will find that China is old news. The "CIVETs" are all the economic rage these days. I believe it is Columbia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Egypt and Thailand; these counties r expected to make the greatest growth in the coming years. China had a spectacular run, but the fact remains; they r too large and risk the threat of imploding upon themselves. They do not have the structure required at this time. They r building "ghost cities" with houses no one can afford, just to keep their laborers employed. We outsource because it is cheaper for us, we don't need to make cheap products here in the U.S., trust me, when countries r outsourcing to ur country, it isn't a positive thing (think; race to the bottom). In the end, money is only worth the paper it is printed on, China has IOU's and nothing else. Outsourcing has not much to do with "the system", it is about labor prices and profit margins. I know this is all contradictory to what u may have been hearing on the news, but remember there are political reasonings that go into conjuring up a foe or "threat". The American population is confused, frustrated and lethargic. Political parties give them someone to blame and identify as enemy, it is almost as if we cannot function without a perceived enemy. Every news channel has political ties, agendas and incentives. I will concede that China is very significant and deffinately a nation to take note of, one day they may grow to be a superpower to rival the U.S., but as it stands, they r not. It is a global consensus (amongst those who are knowledgeable in the area) that we r the ONLY global superpower, some even call us a "hyper-power". There is much in-fighting, yes, but u have to realize this is often to our benefit; it makes us adaptable (two party system with multiple possible third parties) and makes sure that every issue is deliberated carefully. Please, please check out "ChinaSMACK.com" and see what their own people r saying, they often have to speak in code due to censorship and threat of repercussions. China is wonderful, they saw extreme rapid growth and development and r still seeing a very acceptable growth rate, but it still does not put them on our level. Many well respected Poli Sci professors have stated that China cannot reach it's full potential without a change in government. If that happens then we have setting to worry about. There r benefits to their current form of government that give them the edge over us, but it is limited. We r seeing difficult times, we all would love someone to blame, but we won't accept the fact that we mostly only have ourselves to blame. Every form of government has its benefits and draw backs. It seems that democratic socialism is the preferred blend that is most suitable at the time being. Remember, it isn't the fastest, the strongest or even the smartest that survive; it is the most adaptable and that is where we surpass china, we can choose to change our government and make amendments to the constitution and so forth, to adapt to situations that arise. It may be a long and difficult process, full of conflict and in-fighting, but we still have the option. China does not, they cannot change their form of government because they have no say in policy and government. They would have to overthrow their government to do so and many people believe this may be on the horizon. Cordially, Tyson Huff Side: No it should not.
Although my name suggests something different, I am a nationalist not a communist. My family has seen first hand the failure of the communist system. The bloated bureaucratic system makes ruling a nation quiet different. Also there is no supply and demand so there is nothing to determine what can people get. So one item might be needed and is in a storage and while there might be an infinite supply of another item that is useless. Side: No it should not.
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But the fact is whatever problems the communist system has it does create jobs unlike the system in the US. If the US is going to survive we need to get the jobs back and that means beating China at their own game so that business will want to bring the jobs back here. If we continue doing what we are now we will just keep sending all the job overseas until there is nothing left in this country. The United States is a failure as a nation and everything to do with our system should be scrapped. Side: Yes it should.
The Founding Fathers, Voltaire, and the Greeks are rolling in their graves. Socialism/communism may be the temporary answer, but is not a permanent one. Plus, the God given rights protected by the Consitution would be jepordized! We would not be free, only slaves to a totalitarian regime. Side: No it should not.
China is not so much better off as you say... basic macroeconomics tells us this because of comparative advantage. China has an advantage to production just like the US still has the advantage for skilled services and technology. The US still has a nominal GDP that is DOUBLE of China's'. If you had ever been to main land China you would know this from basic observation. Just because China is advancing at a faster pace then the U.S. doesn't mean they will surpass the U.S. or even catch up with the U.S. The economy goes in cycles, China is currently experiencing what the US experienced during the "industrial revolution". The sky isn't failing on the U.S. as many would like to believe. The U.S economic situation is more do to the Governments intrusions into the private sector with crippling over-regulations, and cronie capitalism. Adding more to this, or becoming a Communistic country wouldn't help the problems but just make them even larger and basically impossible to reverse and correct. Side: No it should not.
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Yeah I guess you are right. I just wish we had some way to make the government do what is right for the people they are supposed to work for but with both parties more interested in blaming each other then working on the problems it is looking pretty hopeless. I think both parties have put us into a tailspin we can't get out of. They have such a stranglehold on power I am not sure the situation can be fixed with out first destroying the government and building a whole new one. What form the new one should take is up for debate but i think it's clear the two party republic has failed the people and those in power have no interesting in fixing this nation's problems. Meanwhile millions sit without jobs and have their lives stalled while rich people who have never even met a working class person in their lives continue to fight and make laws that just make things worse. While communism may not be the answer I don't see how you can say the United States is anything but a failure when it comes to serving the needs of it's citizens. Side: No it should not.
I think we have two different philosophies when it comes to what the basic function and responsibility of the government is. I do not believe the governments responsibilities are to create jobs and take care of people. I believe the government is suppose to provide a atmosphere where fair opportunities exist, not that the government provides those opportunities but that they sustain the environment that allows them to exist. Which i think we both can find common ground and agree about, that the U.S. government is doing , and has been doing a very poor job at. I agree with you on certain points, i believe both parties are too blame. They are both more interested in obtaining power that once they achieve that power they have no idea what to do with it, with the majority of them trying to ensure that they don't lose it. Liberty and freedom have been taken out of the American culture and the vast majority don't realize that in the long run, more government programs, laws and policies are not the answer. It is my personal belief is that there is no such thing as a perfect government, human souls are not capable of it, that is why the practical workings of communism or socialism will never work and you very unhappy people in capitalism. The trick though is to limit and get the least amount of unhappy people in capitalism, to do this government needs to have a limited but meaningful role to play, mostly to set the rules, enforce the rules and stay out of productive societies way. Side: No it should not.
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