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First of all, if you want logos, pathos, ethos, you're in the wrong place. Welcome to createdebate.
Second, yes. We have no data to support that it is as dangerous as alcohol or tobacco or even water (that's not a joke. Go look up the LD50 for both water and tetrahydrocannabinol, you'll be surprised). We have no data to support that it is a gateway drug; rather, there is a stronger link between use of harder drugs and traumatic upbringing. We have spent billions of dollars on prohibition that have had no effect on demand for or use of marijuana. We have hundreds of thousands of people locked up for nonviolent possession offenses at further egregious expense to the taxpayer. What we could do instead is end the drug war. Tax and regulate sale so that there are enforceable laws regarding purity and legal age, along with taking company disputes to court instead of being settled with violence. Use the tax revenue to start paying down our deficit. Release a large portion of the strain on our prisons. Deal a major blow to cartel income, as the industry is taken over by legitimate companies inside our own borders, which will create a massive amount of jobs.
The key word in this is medicinal. For that specifically I would argue a resounding yes.
Right now the stigma against it has shown to be unfounded. For medicinal purposed it has not only shown to be more effective against seizures and managing pain it is also remarkably cheaper then current prescription medicines with less side effects and addiction concerns.
If you removed the medicinal qualifier and just asked if the government should legalize marijuana, I would still say yes. Tax it like one would cigarettes and put that money towards schools, feeding homeless and the like.
This is the new mindset of the Progressive Left. They believe in a big federal Government forcing every State to follow the dictates of the Federal Commune.
The Left has forced every State to change their marriage laws.
The Left has tried to force every private business to cater things that goes against their faith.
The Left is trying to force every public schools to allow so called Transgender boys into our daughter's bathrooms.
The Left is trying to take our guns, one step at a time.
The Left is forcing every American to pay for abortions through medicaid and inhuman organizations like Planned Parenthood.
Marijuana will be yet one more Big Government law to be forced onto every State. They probably want to keep every American high on weed so that they will stay blind and dumb to the insanity going on in our Government today.
The Left supports the right to kill viable unborn babies for any reason up to birth!
These are the inhuman politicians that are going to force their will onto every State.
I support you on some points and disagree on others. That said, stick to the current subject. We all know you think the left is evil, we can talk about baby killing some other time. The current topic is weed. Focus.
As far as federal marijuana legalization, exactly how is prohibition not the will of the federal government being forced onto the state? Exactly how is repealing prohibition laws "yet one more Big Government law to be forced onto every State"? Especially if the exact opposite logic applies to firearms, unless repealing the NFA somehow would be Big Government Law encroaching on freedom? If they legalize it, nobody's threatening you at gunpoint to go smoke a bowl. Nobody's even saying that the states can't keep their laws on the books and prosecute for possession, although why any state would not want the tax benefits are beyond me. People who choose to do so simply won't face federal charges for it. To me, that sounds like a freer society. To you, you're not inconvenienced at all.
Some of us are not blind to what is going on in our culture.
We see the broken families, we see the fatherless children, we see those children joining gangs, we see the cost on tax payers to fund all these broken lives, and you sit there telling me I am not inconvenienced at all.
What do you call higher taxes to pay for all the social programs helping these broken lives hooked on drugs, etc.
I call it pennies compared to the wasteful spending that takes place due to a lack of accountability of congress, the pentagon, and those who provide goods and services to our military, now that our press has been reduced to an entertainment industry.
I also call it potentially alleviated by ending a drug war that has been equally unsuccessful as alcohol prohibition and resulting in just as much violence, to move it into a legal spectrum, and tax the profits of companies that will not be selling to kids or hiring them lest they lose distribution licenses and livelihoods. Taxes that you won't have to pay if you don't partake.
There's all kinds of things wrong with our culture, I won't sit here and pretend there isn't. I find weed to be no greater a contributor to this than alcohol, and certainly one that simply hasn't gone away by the failed policies of prohibition.
And ask yourself: how many fatherless children are living their broken lives because their fathers were locked away for nonviolent charges of possession? Is it really better to separate them over use of a substance not demonstrably more dangerous than those we already allow?
Are you serious when speaking to fathers being separated from their children when put in prison?
Do you have any idea the statistics on fatherless children in the African American community?
Over 70% of Black children are living in fatherless homes! It has nothing to do with the fathers being put in prison from marijuana. They abandoned their children long before going to prison.
Do you ignore the many millions of people whose lives are ruined by addictions to drugs? Liberals are for legalizing hard drugs as well, not just weed. You live in some lala land if you actually think legalizing drugs will reduce addiction problems and the huge cost on society. It will make it much worse!
We are living in an anything goes culture where moral values have becomes dirty words. Here in lies the core reasons for our nation's family breakdown. It has nothing to do with drug laws.
I find it quite amusing how the Left (who hates prohibition on alcohol and drugs) is trying it's best to prohibit cigarettes, fatty foods, large sodas, guns, etc. etc.
Do you want Government policing every home for possible illegal hunting rifles, illegal fatty foods, large sodas, etc.?
I agree that prohibition on alcohol was a stupid thing to do, because responsible drinking does not lead to problems.
When it comes to drugs, I believe there is a constant desire to reach a higher high when weed no longer does it.
Again, stay focused. Yes, the left wants to ban some stupid shit- although I fail to see how, as bad an idea as prohibition of guns would be, that prohibition of weed has done us any better. Ban the guns and you make a criminal out of the patriotic law-abiding citizen. Ban weed and you make a criminal out of someone who just wanted to relax, eat Cheetos and watch Scooby Doo (which, whatever your position on watching 90's cartoons with orange fingers is, doesn't hurt anyone in moderation). I do argue that if there is a reason for the core breakdown of the family it has more to do with our addiction to the internet and other glowing screens, and kids being plopped in front of them so parents can get a few hours devoid of obligation to care, but that's another debate.
I'm well aware that lives are ruined by addiction to drugs, and I'm well aware that it happens in spite of billions of our dollars being flushed away in wars you don't hear about on the news, with cartels and South American guerilla fighters. The main problem is that we, the average American, are funding both sides of those wars. The government through our taxes, and cartels through shipments of cocaine, meth, weed, and anything else we can put in our bodies, in exchange for money and guns. These are people who hang journalists in the street. These are people who kill cops and politicians with impunity. These are people who deal with dissent by killing their families in front of them and putting their bodies in vats of acid or burning tires, and if they're lucky, they do it in that order. This is to say nothing of Los Zetas or MS13, who act as distributors, and bring their own share of crime into the scene (gang rape, murder, armed robbery, extortion... There's a movie you should watch if you have a strong stomach, it's called Sin Nombre (Without a Name). Filmed with MS13 members as the actors. Real eye-opener.)
Would it not be better to instead have tight control over production and distribution? Do you not believe that Americans will vote with their wallets and buy from a source they know doesn't have blood on its hands? If weed production is taken over by American corporations, not only is that a massive boost in jobs, but we can ensure that from seed to sale, no one got killed to get it over a border. That entire section of cartel income would be gone overnight. On top of this, tax revenue- which again, we've proven is substantial, and wouldn't come from your pocket- could be used to fund rehabilitation options and help centers, not to mention proper drug education in schools.
I should also point out that the evidence does not support your assertion that weed is a gateway drug, or that there is no such thing as responsible weed use. Of course, people will smoke it to excess from time to time, just as is already done, just as is done with alcohol- although while a number of people I am too indifferent to look up die every year from acute alcohol poisoning, the number of THC overdoses total remains a resounding zero (this is because the LD50 of THC is higher than the LD50 of water. Crazy, but true.) And of course there will be those that use harder drugs- again, as they already do- but there exists far more data to support that this is more often rooted in traumatic upbringing. Most people who use weed at some point in their life- which is most people, in general- never turn to anything harder. Those that do are far more likely to be recreational users than habitual, depending on the substance in question.
As far as black kids without fathers and kids without fathers in general, this is not only deeply cultural- far more so than can be solely blamed on drug addictions- but deeply personal. My own father was a crack addict. My mother left him when I was seven. I signed his DNR form and watched him die nineteen years later of chronic drug and alcohol abuse. As someone who has seen firsthand the difference between addiction and responsible use, I'm well aware of the consequences of both. I still support legalization, even of hard drugs. Why? In part, because my father's choices were his own. But mostly because there is a better way to treat addiction in society- not like a crime, but like a disease. Treat it like a crime, and you fill prisons to the burden of your income taxes, where users will still be able to get their hands on any drug you've ever heard of. Meanwhile, if treated like a disease, as modeled by the Dutch when they started prescribing clean needles to heroin users and making addiction centers more widely available in the midst of a massive opioid crisis, the strangest thing happened- use went down. The same thing happened in Portugal after use of all drugs were decriminalized in 2001. So yes, I do think legalizing drugs will reduce addiction problems and the huge cost on society, and this is not a matter of "lala land". Elsewhere, this has worked.
Or, we can always keep playing eternal whack-a-mole with our income taxes and solve nothing, keep locking up addicts instead of acting with basic human empathy and getting them help, and keep wars raging south of the border. You know, because that's clearly working.
First of all there is not an addict alive who did not start out taking drugs recreationally.
Do you think these addicts started out on hard drugs and never used Weed to begin with? Get real!
Must be you have covered your ears to the many thousands of children from good families who have died from taking hard drugs. Hard drugs are rampant in Colleges and every segment of our culture.
So what I am hearing from you is that we should legalize bad things because of the cost of law enforcement. So I guess we should legalize robbery, murder, etc. because of the cost, and because these laws also never eliminate the crimes.
There is such a thing as lifting up right and wrong, and doing what is good for society no matter that there are costs. How many people have died on Trains when the conductor was high on drugs?
It is no coincidence that from the time this Progressive no fault ideology came to power, our culture has fallen deeper and deeper into the gutter.
The fact that free drug needles were needed to try and stem a huge Drug and Aid's problem speaks to the downfall in our culture from this Liberal No fault thinking.
So the Progressives first did all in their power to separate any mention of God or moral values in public, and then when our culture falls into the gutter, they start preaching how free drug needles are the answer. Free healthcare, social program after social program, all to put band-aids on severe societal problems, and then people like you say that free drug needles are the answer.
No, bringing back a moral foundation to our anything goes society is the only answer to this broken culture.
Pregnant teenagers, drug addicts, alcoholics, etc. etc. arise from a society that lifts up irresponsible immoral lifestyles. Period! I agree that the internet as well as Hollywood are very bad influences on our children.
It's time to address the core reasons for irresponsible societal behaviors and stop thinking that free drug needles, free abortions, additional social programs are the answer. They never will be.
Sure, some of these things might help band aide some of the problems, but all they are doing is maintaining a broken culture.
I always refer back to a Peace Core commercial where it's message was so profound...
It said, is it better to keep giving third world nation's bushels of free corn, or is it better to give them the tools and education to grow their own corn.
Is it better to keep giving a broken culture free drug needles, or is it better to once again lift up moral values that strengthen the family unit, and eliminate the need for free drugs needles.
As far as the best way there is to go, I find that the answer is: clearly, not the way that we've been going. So I must ask that you provide a specific plan to combat the problem, if not legalization and regulation- because the many thousands of children form good families that have died from taking hard drugs did so while these drugs were still illegal. Clearly, prohibition didn't work for them- and it does seem that we've reached the impasse that I think decriminalization and treatment of drug use would result in a long term decrease of abuse based on its past success elsewhere while you firmly believe the opposite.
The reason that comparing drug use to a robbery or murder is a false equivalence is twofold. First, the latter is a violent crime and the former in most cases is a victimless one. In the case that use turns into abuse and the crime is no longer victimless, a person should not be barred from finding help for fear of prosecution before a situation turns from bad to worse. Second, while crimes such as murder and robbery are typically performed by an individual or small group, drugs and similar goods and services require a network of suppliers, distributors, and consumers- it is its own economy. An economy that, if pushed entirely outside of the scope of the law, cannot be otherwise controlled by the law. There is no stopping a crack dealer from cutting their product with rat poison. They don't care if they sell it to a ten year old kid, or employ that kid to stand on a street corner with bags and a gun. Violent crime, rather, is a result of making drugs illegal. If you criminalize an enterprise, it will be run by criminals, who from there don't give a damn about basic business ethics such as not shooting your rival. And here, we reach a second impasse, because the only way to effectively and lastingly disrupt such an economy is to remove demand. You seem to believe that it's possible to appeal to people's sense of right and wrong to convince them not to do drugs (much like we've been doing for decades) That, as they say, ain't gonna happen. Not with everyone. You can lift up right and wrong all you want, or you can be a realist in the face of the fact that no one gives a damn what you or I think is right or wrong. People will always want to get high, that is just as much an unfortunate reality of the human condition as war. You can either fight that losing battle or learn to mitigate the negative effects as efficiently as possible. This same equation applies to abortion and guns, just as it has for decades applied to prostitution. I have no need or desire for prostitutes, but I'd rather the industry be dominated by licensed, tested women who chose to be in that position of their own free will rather than dominated in the illegal spectrum by human traffickers who keep girls chained to a bed and doped on heroin. Every bit as much as I'd rather see abortions performed safely by doctors rather than girls using coat hangers or slugging down a bottle of bourbon and throwing themselves down the stairs. Every bit as much as I'd rather see everyone armed as opposed to only people without regard for the law. People may wish these economies didn't exist, but unless you can eliminate demand, simply making it illegal doesn't make the problem go away. It can only make things worse. You have to actually talk to the people who would engage in these practices and win them over one by one.
How many people have died on Trains when the conductor was high on drugs?
I'd imagine it's comparable to the number of people killed on trains when the conductor was drunk, but if they keep track of those numbers I'm not going to go out of my way to search for it.
You are repeating the same exact rhetoric we've heard for decades from Progressives. You throw up your arms, you capitulate to the supposed inevitability and irreversible direction of our culture.
You say that band-aids are our only answer, and that free drug needles, just like bushels of corn, are here to stay.
First of all, you ignore the facts that 50 years ago we had a vast majority of intact families. Why do you suppose that was? Please do not insult our intelligence and try to refute these facts.
You say....... "You can lift up right and wrong all you want, or you can be a realist in the face of the fact that no one gives a damn what you or I think is right or wrong."
I believe that 50 years ago our nation was not ashamed of our Christian heritage. We did not censor our values in public for fear of offending the one. We were not fixated on separating any mention of God or morals values in public places.
Back then, Society actually shamed people who abandoned their children.
We as a nation shamed the condition of teenage pregnancy, not by individual names, but by the condition. We shamed the irresponsibility of lifestyles that harm so many children and families.
We did the same with drug use. We shamed the irresponsibility of breaking the law and taking hard drugs.
You just brush off personal responsibility and accountability for breaking the law when choosing to use hard drugs for the first time. Your answer is capitulation and legalization.
Obviously when a society lifts up moral values, and shames immoral irresponsible lifestyles, IT DOES HAVE A HUGE IMPACT. We had far less problems with broken families and drug use 50 years ago.
It might take generations to get back to a time when our media, our commercials, our Government, our Churches once again lift up responsibility and accountability for one's choices in life.
You have given up, and expect ever growing Social programs, free drug needles, free birth control, free abortions, to be the answer. You say it is an unfortunate reality.
It's not the answer because it never addresses the core reasons for our broken families.
Our nation has a moral problem, and in the Progressive world, morals are a dirty word.
Every nation should have the intelligence to lift up the best in people, not capitulate to the base elements of society.
...You do realize that 50 years ago was the height of the 60s, right? Free love, LSD, Vietnam war protests, the Grateful Dead, hotboxing VW busses... much of which arguably stemmed from rebellion against the conservatism practiced in the 50s.
Also, I never said the needles, abortions, or birth control should be free. I said they should be sterile, safe, and available, respectively.
Back then society had no way to shame people who abandoned their children, because you could pack up and move to a different state, and be almost impossible to follow. Back then, we shamed pregnant teenagers to the point they would shove coat hangers into their uteri and bleed to death or contracted infection. We also had a majority of intact families because divorce was almost impossible under any circumstances unless both parties were present and one claimed fault; yet with the advent of no-fault divorce the suicide rate among women went down by approximately 20 percent ( https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20040608005406/en/Stanford-Business-School-Study-Finds-No- Fault-Divorce )
So, if you want to call that a utopia- minus, of course, the segregation and the cold war and the Vietnam drafts and the CIA acting with impunity filling South America with dictators and performing experiments with MKUltra on unsuspecting American citizens, etc. etc. etc.- and even to give credit to this to the great placebo of religion, you go right on ahead.
You can call it throwing on a bandaid if you like. I call it facing reality.
All that free love, LSD, hippies, etc. etc. are examples of the beginning of what I just described as the down fall of our culture.
I never said everything was perfect 50 years ago. There will never be perfection in any nation, but guess what? It was far better than today.
AS ALL GOOD PROGRESSIVES, you waste our time bringing up coat hangers and back alley abortions.
No one is disputing Life of Mother or other extreme case abortions today, and if some woman wants to kill her viable baby down some back alley for mere convenience, she is the one choosing to put herself at risk while illegally ending an innocent viable life.
What you call facing reality is no different then third world nations throwing up their arms and saying, we are destined to living off charity from others, rather than addressing the core reasons for our poverty.
Do you actually have a realistic plan to eliminate or even reduce demand, or do you simply intend to use the same failed prohibition tactics at the cost of untold billions of dollars a year in taxpayer money and untold violence south of the border, only with more beating people over the head with the Jesus stick?
Develop a plan. One that hasn't been failing for decades, one that you are capable of articulating specifically that demonstrates even the faintest awareness of both simple economics and reality. Otherwise I won't continue wasting my time talking to someone so wrapped up in ideology.
FOOL! Your anti Christian bigotry just came to light.
I never once mentioned beating anyone over the head with religion. You are doing what every Liberal does.... you throw out ludicrous scare tactics trying to paint Christians as moralists who will force others to live moral lives. HOGWASH!
Let me repeat.... FOOL!
You pretend to not understand what Conservatives and Christians are saying.
When a society lifts up the values of strong families, and speaks to the irresponsibility of abandoning your children, or living promiscuous lifestyles, or taking illegal drugs, etc. etc., it is NOT beating people over the head with Jesus.
Those simple common sense values should be lifted up by all American because they are good for our children and have NOTHING to do forcing religion on people.
It is the Left who is beating people over the head with this anything goes Political Correctness. If a Christian owned private business chooses not to cater events that go against their faith, the PC thought police take you to court!
You are the hypocrites trying to force your will on the people. You are trying to beat people over the head with a PC stick, and force legalization of drugs onto every State.
One, I believe that 50 years ago our nation was not ashamed of our Christian heritage as an argument for how great things were in the 50s were your words, not mine. Copy the phrase, then hit Control+F, and paste it into the text box to find where you said it if you need to.
Two, I'll have you know I'm happily married to a Catholic.
Three, ousting me as "bigoted" make your arguments no more logical or legitimate. In fact, it makes you sound like a progressive.
Stop dodging the main issue. Do you have a realistic, specific, actionable plan or not?
Stating the fact that 50 years ago we were not ashamed of our Christian heritage has absolutely nothing to do with beating people over the head with religion. My statement was showing the results of what happens to a nation's values when the PC Left decided to censor any mention of our Christian heritage in public.
That was the beginning of the end for our nation's moral foundation. We can no longer speak out on the moral breakdown of this nation. If we do so, PC Progressives will shoot us down as you just did to me. They start calling us Fundies, and Zealots, and Bible believing Christians (OH NO!). They scream we want to make moral laws and force them onto everyone. COMPLETE HOGWASH SCARE TACTICS!
They censored the most basic freedom of our communities to have a school prayer if the people in that community chose to do so. These prayers were not forced on all public schools by a theocratic federal Government. These were basic freedoms of Americans to choose to have a prayer WITHOUT forcing the children to pray along (as the Left scare mongers tried to claim).
We believe in school choice whereby if one school system had a prayer, you could cover your child's ears and take him to a school where they did not say a prayer. That's called freedom and school choice.
Our society used to lift up moral values that helped keep our families together. They did not judge by name John Smith for something he might have done. They did not judge Mary Jones for getting pregnant in school.
They spoke to the harmful results created by promiscuous or irresponsible lifestyles. Speaking out on values that are good for everyone is not beating people over the head with a Jesus stick.
You ask me for my answer to address our core problems? I just answered you. It's all about a society once again lifting up values that are good for families and children.
I believe we should be having commercials on TV that shame irresponsible behavior, just as the Left puts out commercials shaming bad behavior when it comes to treatment towards animals.
I guess in the Progressive world, speaking out for our pets is more important than speaking out for our abandoned children, and the broken homes created from promiscuous sex and drug use.
It's time to shame irresponsible behavior once again. Remember the commercials... this is your brain on drugs? Or the ones showing a woman with a hole in her neck from smoking? They have an impact!
I want to see commercials showing the results of that one night stand with the pregnant teenager and a dead beat father long gone. Or one showing a one night stand and a person with Aids.
I want to see commercials showing a person taking his first hit on illegal drugs, and then the results of addiction.
Why do we not show these today? There lies the answer to the breakdown in our culture. Morals are a dirty word to Progressives.
That's your plan. There lies the answer to our breakdown in culture. In showing commercials. Jesus. I don't know why I even hoped to hear something more intelligent.
Putting aside just how goddamn arrogant it is to paint yourself as the victim when congress doesn't cater to your imaginary friend and actually sticking to the debate subject, we already tried that. Pretty much continuously up into the last decade. It didn't work, nor does it address economic reality or the human condition, nor do I give a happy shit that your delusions of grandeur dictate that you believe yourself to have a default position of a moral high ground against people who practice victimless crimes.
My capability to take this conversation seriously is at its end. Have a pleasant day.
LOL, so your Left wing commercials constantly bashing people for not taking good care of their pets has no value to you? Then why are they doing it?
I guess the type of intellect to believe our complex DNA just randomly occurred even though no scientist knows where that first living cell came from, is reasonable to bigots like you.
You are correct, I am through wasting my time with a bigoted Atheist burying his head in the sand when we ALL KNOW THAT OUR CULTURE HAS A MORAL PROBLEM!
The answer to moral problems is not handing out free drug needles you mindless bigoted fool.
Talking about morals actually worked decades ago, but insecure people like yourself refuse to speak to issues of irresponsibility and immorality.
NEWSFLASH, ABANDONING OUR CHILDREN IS NOT A VICTIM-LESS PROBLEM.
Those children conceived from one night hook ups are the victims. They grow up with no father, NOT THAT THE LIKES OF YOU COULD CARE.
It's people like you who use that PC stick to beat Christians over the head for dare speaking about moral values. Crucify those Christians! CENSOR THEM!
Only political correct speech is allowed in this new Left wing culture. We will censor any speech that resembles anything having to do with morals.... unless of course it is about the morality of caring for our pets.
You don't have to be a Christian to understand that nation's need a moral foundation to survive.
Right, so your "actionable, realistic plan", while actionable, is neither realistic nor a plan. What it is is the mindless hope that through previously failed tactics everybody will magically and spontaneously conform to your subjective, arbitrary and frankly hypocritical definition of morality. While we wait another half century for that to work, damn the drug wars as long as they keep happening south of the border. What a joke.
Why do you keep trying to claim that expressing moral values in society has not worked?
It did work from the time we became a nation until insecure anti God bigots came to power in this nation.
There has been nothing but censorship of any speech concerning morals for decades now. This is because most of our media is biased Left wing anti God bigots.
I never said that commercials and society shaming irresponsible behavior is the only answer, but I know it has a huge impact.
Why do you suppose that slavery ended in this nation? It was from the outcry of people who shamed it. Why do you suppose racism has been on the down slide with each passing decade?
It's because we have shamed people who are racists and lifted up the common sense humanity that all innocent people deserve respect.
Shaming has worked, it is working today, and it will always work.
Liberals are doing all in their power to prevent the shaming of irresponsible behavior when it comes to sex, drugs, alcohol, etc.
But they have no problem shaming Smoking, how pets are treated, White men, Rich men, Bible believing Christians, Conservatives (we are deplorable and irredeemable don't you know), etc. etc.
People like you have no problem with shaming behavior until it hits home with sex, drugs, alcohol, etc.
Then all of a sudden shaming no longer works.
Until our media is no longer anti God, anti speech concerning moral values, anti any mention of our nation's moral foundation from our Christian heritage in public, our culture will never improve.
FOOL! Your anti Christian bigotry just came to light.
If you aren't anti-christian, you're a fool. Because christianity is a fairy tale.
you throw out ludicrous scare tactics trying to paint Christians as moralists who will force others to live moral lives. HOGWASH!
Says the guy who wants to force his morality on everyone by making abortion illegal.
When a society lifts up the values of strong families, and speaks to the irresponsibility of abandoning your children, or living promiscuous lifestyles, or taking illegal drugs, etc. etc., it is NOT beating people over the head with Jesus.
I agree, when you have a society that adheres strictly to christian values, it doesn't beat people over the head with christian values because...wait, it probably does nevermind.
Those simple common sense values should be lifted up by all American
Everyone should adhere to my sense of morality that comes from my religion but I'm not forcing my religion on you.
It is the Left who is beating people over the head with this anything goes Political Correctness
I'm not, and I'm further left wing than any democrat you have ever seen, for I am a Marxist.
You are the hypocrites trying to force your will on the people. You are trying to beat people over the head with a PC stick, and force legalization of drugs onto every State.
You are the hypocrites trying to force your will on the people. You are trying to beat people over the head with a Christian morality stick, and force criminalization of a drug that is less harmful to human mental and physical health than alcohol and has legitimate medical uses onto every State.
So what you are saying is that laws protecting your life, is Government forcing morality on everyone? Do you get it yet or are you a total waste of time?
We are talking about the lives of viable babies, and you sit here calling me a moralist when I want laws protecting their lives. Why is your life worthy of moralists forcing their morality on others, but my laws protecting an innocent viable baby is not the same?
Get off debates sites if you are so blind and hypocritical.
