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Yeah, lets have another Iraq! Fuck no!
Debate Score:32
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Should the president ever be allowed to declare war?

The constitution is clear on this; only congress can declare war.

Yeah, lets have another Iraq!

Side Score: 10
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Fuck no!

Side Score: 22
2 points

How come I have to want another Iraq to vote on this side Joe? Iraq was retarded.

Anyway, that's why the congress is in charge of the funding.

Like a week president could say, "we're invading Canada!"

and the congress can be like, "whatever dude, here's ten bucks for that mission."

Unfotunately in the case of the Iraq war, dems were busy being scared little b!tches and placating to the atmosphere of fear so expertly created by our top notch corporate media,

Of course a strong president like FDR would just be like "fine congress, don't fund it, but I'm sending a fleet to Japan anyway, so if you want them to have the gas to get back home eventually, you better fund this thing, or you can run for reelection under the banner "vote for me, I left half the Navy stranded in the Pacific"

... so maybe you're on to something.

Side: yeah but not like Iraq

The constitution is clear on this; only congress can declare war. Are you for amending the constitution?

Side: Fuck no!
1 point

No I'm not,

but while the Constitution says only Congress declares war, in practice that is not how it works.

the Commander and Chief to my knowledge has decided when and where to go to war almost every time, then the Congress has an option of saying yes or no, which today translates funding the war or not funding the war.

So the system has kind of mended the Constitution on its own. I'm not sure if that's good or bad though, if that is what you are asking.

Side: Yeah, lets have another Iraq!
1 point

i wouldn't say another Iraq, per say. but if it's called for, like say Czecholovakia decides to send a bomb your way, what else do u do? would you send another one back, or go F YOU MOTHER FER, and start a war, f* them all up n be done with it?

Side: yeah but not like Iraq

The constitution is clear on this; only congress can declare war. Are you for amending the constitution?

Side: Fuck no!
MKIced(2510) Disputed
2 points

Don't you think if Czechoslovakia, which no longer exists anyway, were to send missiles toward America congress would, in this case, retaliate? Congress might not always pass war, but they know when it is necessary.

Side: Fuck no!
4 points

While the president should literally be allowed to "declare" war due to constitutional rights and freedoms, the president should never be allowed to begin a war based on his/her personal feelings towards a foreign country.

Should the need for war arise, the call will be answered by a collection of political representatives of the general population. If just one person, in this case the president, personally feels the need to begin a war while all others do not share the same belief, that lone individual should not be allowed to go against the collective beliefs of the majority opposition as that individual is most likely wrong in his/her judgement.

Side: Fuck no!

No, this BS about the president declaring war started with Korea. It's fairly recent in the history of this nation and it is something that should have been curtailed long ago. It's over due.

The constitution clearly states that only congress can declare war, not the president.

Side: Fuck no!

Yes, I agree. However, under the War Powers Resolution Act, the President can send troops for 60-90 days without the approval of Congress. Very Controversial law.

Side: Fuck no!

War should not be taken lightly. If the president is able to declare war, then only one person is making the decision. If congress declares war, more than one person has looked at the issue and determined that war is the best course of action.

Side: Fuck no!
2 points

That's way too much power and responsibility for one person at times. For all you know, the president could be really pissed at Canada or something and "justify" a war that is unnecessary because there really is no evil... This decision should be left to many.

Side: Fuck no!
1 point

What you said.

Side: Fuck no!
2 points

One person's opinion vs a group of people's, I pick the group, simple. So, no the President shouldn't be allowed to declared war, but he can sure as hell join in with Congress to make a decision.

Side: Fuck no!

Could you imagine being in a major battle while the president was in his plush oval office getting a BJ? And no, that's not the same as an BLT sandwich.

Side: Fuck no!

Absolutley not. The President must abide by the rules and the rules state that no President can declare war without the consent of Congress and perhaps, I'm not clear on this, even the United Nations. Heaven forbid that it should be any other way.

Side: Fuck no!
1 point

Why should a president be allowed to Determinate the peoples future.

Side: Fuck no!

No, the President never had or never will.-----------------------------

Side: Fuck no!
1 point

I have to clarify. The constitution says the president can request a declaration of war but it must go through congress to be legal. We haven;'t had that in a long time. COngress has approved money for war, or approved parts after the fact but I think the last legal declaration of war was Dec. 1941.

Side: Fuck no!