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I am not spreading diseases, and you don't have the right, to live off of my body. I will not be vaccinated, even if someone might die, because I have the right to choose, and I am saying, fuck no.
If you don't vaccine you have every capability of contracting and spreading a disease. Just look at the rise in measles due to anti-vaccers.
you don't have the right, to live off of my body
No one is living off your body, I have no idea where you are getting that from.
I will not be vaccinated, even if someone might die
That. Right there. That is the problem we have. You don't care if you kill people so long as you can freely say you have the right to choose. Those are your own words. So damn the consequences, damn the rest of the world and the innocent people you could potentially murder, damn the families and friends you could contaminate, damn every innocent person that does what they can to protect others. So long as you get to do what you want, it doesn't matter what you do to others. Sounds a bit like rape, doesn't it?
You are a fucking liar. I am not even sick bitch, so you don't have the right, to lie. You don't even know me, so kiss my ass. I have the right, to my body, and to not put certain things, in my body.
If the vaccine works why would you be worried about catching from someone unvaccinated? Shouldn't the vaccine protect you from covid19 anyway bud? Shows you don't have much faith in the vaccine if your worried about this guy not vaccinating! If they ever try coming to my door and forcing it I feel sorry for what's gonna happen to the poor bastards after i'm done with them! This isn't a dictatorship or communist country yet bud! You wanna force stuff on people move to China!
A vaccine is developed in response to particular iteration of a virus. People who are not vaccinated can contract the virus which provides an opportunity for the virus to mutate, rendering existing vaccinations ineffectual. The success of vaccination is therefore very much contingent upon an adequate number of people receiving the vaccination, and not receiving a vaccination does represent a choice which might endanger the well-being of others.
That alone is not enough to justify mandatory vaccination, but your objection is misinformed.
There is definitely room for substantive disagreement on that count, particularly where legal claims are concerned. We are not obliged to donate blood, even to relatives, even though that choice does affect others (and may even affect whether they live or die).
There is no absolute right to life (let alone well-being), and any claim against another person leveraged on that grounds must therefore justify itself against the cost to that person.
Perhaps that can be done in the case of vaccination, but a mere assertion that we cannot exercise autonomy over our bodies when doing so affects others is simply insufficient.
Edit: Shoot, sorry. I did not realize you were banned before responding. :(
There is no singular purpose laid out by the Constitution of the United States. Numerous purposes are enumerated alongside promoting the general welfare, and both legislation and jurisprudence have held these purposes to be non-absolute. The exceptional individualism of American culture, historically and at present, relative to other countries also cuts against your claim that the overriding purpose of the nation is to promote the general welfare.
Moreover, what constitutes the general welfare is open to myriad interpretations. An individualist or libertarian oriented individual would argue that the general welfare is constituted by liberty and compromised by vaccination (i.e. that vaccination is only superficially for the general welfare).
Finally, vaccination is not (nor has it ever been) mandatory in the United States except in limited contexts and for targeted demographics. This has not resulted in pandemics 'running wild' in the country. Nor is it self-evident that this would necessarily be a bad thing or against the general welfare.
also cuts against your claim that the overriding purpose of the nation is to promote the general welfare.
Hello J:
It's not MY claim.. It's the claim made in the Preamble. I dunno what you think it means, but its meaning is clear to me.
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, DO ORDAIN AND ESTABLISH this Constitution for the United States of America."
Will you please just shut your delusional mouth you boring Hitlerite? There is nothing scientific about your ancestry test and this has been explained to you again and again and again. You just do not listen. You would sooner attack the person who debunks your argument with a stack of lies and smear than admit that you were wrong about something.
Open your eyes and READ IT, you stupid, horrible little man:-
DNA ancestry tests branded 'meaningless'
Commercial DNA tests that claim to tell people whether they are related to Richard III or descended from the Vikings are no more than "genetic astrology", scientists have warned.
The amount of DNA any individual inherits from relatives just a few steps up their family tree is negligible compared with the vast amount we all share from common ancestors.
It means any ancestral "history" identified by a simple genetic test is just one of dozens of possible interpretations, and to try to trace our lineage directly through our genes is "absurd", they claimed.
You are literally such a stupid, delusional, absurdly narcissistic little idiot, that you are trying to convince people that scientists are denying science.
You're just such a horrible little bastard. Even if a commercial ancestry test WERE capable of tracing your ancestry -- which we have established it is NOT -- there is NO GENETIC BASIS for Jewishness in the first place!!! The only historical support for the idea that Jews are a race or ethnicity rather than a religious group is to be found in the Bible, and you claim to be an atheist!!!! That's the level of stupidity people have to deal with when conversing with you. A self-declared atheist who believes he's a Jew because he read it in the Bible.
It is your claim. As I already pointed out, and as you've now documented yourself, the preamble of the Constitution enumerates numerous purposes alongside promoting the general welfare.
Consequently, the claim that "the overriding purpose of the nation is to promote the general welfare" is not supported by mere appeal to the Constitution which does not establish that purpose as overriding (rather, it establishes it as concurrent with and conditioned upon other purposes).
It is, therefore, your claim. And one which you refuse to substantiate.
When, where and by whom was this vaccine developed?
You're becoming mutinous about an imaginary scenario which hasn't happened yet and isn't likely to for the foreseeable future.
I would be confident that if such a vaccine was ever developed and became available to the general public you'd first in line with your sleeve rolled, yelping, to hell with this women and children first nonsense, it's me first.
Well, there's been many.. Let's just take measles.. They found a vaccine for it in the early 80's and your child can't attend school without it. That sounds like forcing to me.
Children are required to receive education, but they are not required to do so at a school (public or private). No one is forcing anyone to send their child to school; homeschooling is an option. If someone wants to send their child to a school, then there are costs to doing so (limited to but not including vaccination, with the notable opt out caveat that's already been mentioned).
Been increase of states taking the religious exception away! So that wont even be option for parents anymore. They're slowly trying to change the local and state laws to force it on everyone!
No especially if it's possible pedophile Billy boys vaccine! He also wants to speed up testing and announced it's completely new vaccine never been tried before, no thanks!
especially if it's possible pedophile Billy boys vaccine!
The utter bullshit which comes out of your mouth is just incredible.
Nobody has ever filed a federal lawsuit against Bill Gates for child rape at a party thrown by disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein. The man you voted for has had that happen to him twice, but instead of talking about that you are making up conspiracy theories about Bill Gates.
Don't worry old Billy boys not out the woods yet! :D That also goes for 100 of other sickos that was on his Lolita express plane. One being Prince Andrew who got kicked out the royal family and disowned. Princey Andrew was also on the list! And Weinstein is rumored to be ratting them out. He was supposed get about 50 years but was cut to 23 years. I wonder why? Just have to wait to see what happens shall we BurritoLunch?
And also Billy is being heckled almost everywhere he goes. He's not a very popular guy right now! Billy also mentioned wants to track us with his little digital tattoo or chip! Also Billy never programmed DOS he bought it from some poor bastard for about 50,000 dollars. Than he works for apple for few months and steals the gui system! Oh yeah Billys such a trustful person right?
Yeah generally but this is a completely new way of making them! Please feel free to be the first guinea pig! "This vaccine, unlike traditional vaccines, has been developed using ribonucleic acid (RNA) technology. If successful, the cutting-edge method could revolutionise vaccine development for future disease outbreaks."
I see common sense is alien to you! Good go ahead a trust pedo Billys vaccine! I won't be getting it nor do I think I need it. Haven't taking any vaccines for 15 years and don't get the common cold for 3 years. I know people that get the stupid flu shot and get sick 3 times of year.
They don't work it's complete money making scheme! Even the first guy who administer the vaccine killed his whole family, I believe in the 1800s. It was not successful and based on flawed science! They admit the flu virus constantly mutates anyway. So all you idiots are doing is injecting yourself with heavy metals and aborted baby cells and 100s of unneeded chemicals. Than of course they try to cover up DDT spraying in the 40s which led to polio symptoms. And then give the vaccine when the polio numbers were already dropping! Even the polio vaccine benefits are debatable! And please how did our ancestors ever manage before vaccines? Take your Bill Gates vaccine and shove way up your ass!
Not sure why the foundation that donates billions dollars for mosquito nets and clean water scares you so much, but you are free to try the Trump vaccine instead - just inject some bleach.
"Even the first guy who administer the vaccine killed his whole family"
Some unknown guy that you can't even name pales in comparison to the hundreds of millions of people that used to die from diseases like smallpox and measles before there were vaccines.
"how did our ancestors ever manage before vaccines"
Haha yeah Billy really helped out the India people! Paralyzed and killed many them with his stupid vaccines! And of course your one of those idiots that takes everything trumps says out of context. He never told anyone to inject lysol you little liar! And to be honest I don't worship Trump. I'm very angry about some the stuff he did. But also do not fall for low IQ stabs like Russian Delusion hoax, stormy daniels, how he drinks his water, etc! And also not a Republican or Democrat!
You idiots are stupid enough to buy into what government says but Jim you are not all about Big Government ? Transparency shows you as the fool you are. Now you need to eat some lead
B) From the same source " In 1988, when the campaign began, there were 350,000 cases of polio around the world each year compared with the six so far this year."
Leading with the caveat that this scenario seems unlikely, I do not think that vaccines should be forced upon anyone. I'm not persuaded that vaccination is, generally speaking, a desirable approach to communicable disease in the first place. Setting that aside, though, I am wary of giving any government any medical authority over and against the autonomy of individuals. I am also not persuaded that such authority is necessary for vaccination campaigns to be successful.
That said, I am not necessarily opposed to vaccinations being mandated for students to attend public schools (or any private school or homeschool which receives public funding), provided that attendance itself is not compulsory. That arrangement is a transparent cost (such as it is, which is to say generally minimal) to accepting the benefits of attending the publicly financed institution; that informed decision being consensual, I see no violation of autonomy.
I'm not persuaded that vaccination is, generally speaking, a desirable approach to communicable disease in the first place.
Well, luckily, persuading you is not how the medical effectiveness of vaccines is tested.
Setting that aside, though, I am wary of giving any government any medical authority over and against the autonomy of individuals.
The government has always had medical authority over the autonomy of individuals. Try researching what went on at psychiatric institutions during the first half of the 20th century.
Your reasoning is stupid. On one side we have paranoia about why the government wants to help you live longer and on the other we have diseases like smallpox, polio and bubonic plague, which wiped out or crippled massive portions of the human population.
Whether you are "persuaded" or not doesn't matter in the slightest. Since people have been being vaccinated against these diseases, they have stopped killing huge numbers of people.
Well, luckily, persuading you is not how the medical effectiveness of vaccines is tested.
I am not disputing the effectiveness of vaccines. I am not persuaded that that effect is desirable; I don't place absolute or unreserved value on human life, and I think the roll of disease in mediating the population of any species has some value itself. That doesn't make me opposed to vaccination regimes, but it does put me on the fence (hence, 'not persuaded').
The government has always had medical authority over the autonomy of individuals. Try researching what went on at psychiatric institutions during the first half of the 20th century.
That the government has had and continues to exercise medical authority over and against the autonomy of individuals is not an argument that it should do so. My familiarity of medical history, both public and private, is a significant basis for my distrust of government in general.
Your reasoning is stupid. On one side we have paranoia about why the government wants to help you live longer and on the other we have diseases like smallpox, polio and bubonic plague, which wiped out or crippled massive portions of the human population. Whether you are "persuaded" or not doesn't matter in the slightest. Since people have been being vaccinated against these diseases, they have stopped killing huge numbers of people. Anti-Vaxxers are just plain dumb.
I'm not an anti-vaxxer (lol). I don't believe vaccination is part of a government conspiracy, that vaccinations cause autism, or any of that rubbish. I agree that vaccination has reduced the number of human fatalities due to disease, and never contested that. I'm just not convinced that that is necessarily a good thing, and I'm actively dissuaded that that is sufficient grounds from which to mandate vaccination.
I also accept vaccination as a pre-condition for participating in public or private institutions, so long as participation in those institutions is voluntary (and with the caveat that it is localized policy). Where such policies exist, I am opposed to 'opt out' loopholes because I believe in equality under the law (and not religious exceptionalism). That departs wildly from the anti-vaxxer 'position'.
I call bs on people living longer and more healthy! Would you like to explain to me why the younger gen has more old people illnesses in this time and age? How about kids having diabetes, mental illness, autism, immune disorders, seizures, , kidney failure, arthritis. Oh yeah we are sooo much healthier!sarcastic
Now they might live longer with cocktail of pharm drugs like a half brain dead zombie but the quality of life I question is better! Sure they can keep you alive like brain dead coma patient on a machine. But if you can even call that life is whats debatable! Would you like to explain how all those young girls that took the Mitt Romneys funded Gardasil vaccine landed up half paralyzed in wheel chairs? Blind naive dick suckers like yourself always land up in the slaughterhouse first! Your actually not smart your just good at being regurgitator of useless repeated propaganda! People like you don't wanna think for yourself, it's too scary! I find you common sense dumb, to trust a pedophile making a vaccine! https://www.premierhealth.com/your-health/articles/healthnow/worrisome-trend-diseases-of-aging-strike-young
There will never be a vaccine for AIDS because that is a syndrome. The virus is HIV, and there currently is no vaccine for it. None of which has any obvious bearing on my preceding remarks.
