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The People Must Speak!! Leave The People Alone!!
Debate Score:37
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Total Votes:41
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Should voting be mandatory.

23 countries around the world have mandatory voting laws.  17 countries/territories had them and then abolished the requirement.

This is COUNTRY NEUTRAL.  Does not matter where you are from.   It is the principal. 

The People Must Speak!!

Side Score: 25
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Leave The People Alone!!

Side Score: 12

I originally was VERY opposed to the idea. I do like it, especially for large countries, because it then forces the government to make voting accessible. That is with proximity, convenience, voter ID, etc. It ensures everyone has a fair chance to cast their vote.

You can still spoil the ballot. You could even wipe your ass with it, but you gotta show up.

If the government is going to make sure that your voice can be heard, I think it is a reasonable request to have you show up.

You gotta show up for Jury Duty as a "civli requirement". why not voting?

Side: The People Must Speak!!
1 point

I definitely think it should be mandatory - people can still show their disaproval by voting blanks.

Side: The People Must Speak!!
BurritoLunch(5195) Clarified
1 point

I definitely think it should be mandatory - people can still show their disaproval by voting blanks.

I think it is ironic if people have to be forced by the state to participate in a system which is supposed to be democratic.

If improvements could be made to the lives of disenfranchised voters simply by voting, then don't you expect that they would be doing it already? To simply force people to vote ignores the root of the problem and tries the suppress the symptom. People have nothing to gain by not voting, so the only real explanation is that many of them feel they have nothing to gain by voting either.

Side: The People Must Speak!!
ChickenBeer(250) Disputed
1 point

I don't see how it ignores the root of the problem. On the contrary, if voting is mandatory, it is far less likely that populations will be marginalized. It is a huge problem in the US. Sure there are other things that might be able to be done. I do not think it is a fair argument to say, because it does not deal with the core issue, it therefore should not be done. Perhaps addressing the core issue iasa combination of multiple factors.

Side: Leave The People Alone!!
bridgetmm(70) Clarified
1 point

I agree, I mean if you look at countries witn 70-80+ voter outcome, they don't force their voters to show up.

I think one common factor between some of the countries I can think of (nordic countries primarily) is that they have a parliamentarian system - which is far more simple to understand than for example the US legal system.

I think the simplicity gives everyone a chance to understand. Because if you don't understand your governmental system, it's easy to not care about it.

Side: The People Must Speak!!
1 point

Yes, with the option of "no candidate chosen". And if a majority don't choose a candidate, the election runs again, until they do.

Side: The People Must Speak!!

You could wipe your ass with the ballot, Piss on it, and tear it up if you want. Just do something.

Side: The People Must Speak!!
seanB(959) Disputed
2 points

Isn't that pretty much, not choosing a candidate? Pretty sure there is nobody called "torn up piss paper" running for election.

And are you suggesting that people ought to just choose a candidate, even if they don't believe in them?

How about no.

Side: Leave The People Alone!!

Absolutely no goddamned way. I have never voted in my life. The political system is a joke. Two candidates, both chosen and funded by private wealth. That isn't choice. That's the opposite of choice dressed up to look like choice.

I see the political system as being nothing more than a guardian against change. Everything stays the same and the people who are really in charge (which certainly isn't the government) get to pretend you've got this really special democratic system which is fair, just and revolutionary.

Side: Leave The People Alone!!
ChickenBeer(250) Disputed
1 point

There are many other political systems, and not just the two party system

If you had more choice would you vote?

Side: The People Must Speak!!
BurritoLunch(5195) Clarified
1 point

There are many other political systems, and not just the two party system

That's exactly my point. Have you ever been given an opportunity to choose anything else? Or are you simply expected to accept what is there already?

What power does these days is not to outright restrict your decisions, but rather to restrict the parameters of those decisions. You can have a choice, but only if we choose what the options are, so to speak.

Side: The People Must Speak!!
BurritoLunch(5195) Clarified
1 point

Once politicians become successful inside the current system, their priority becomes maintaining the system in which they are powerful. Hence, even when revolutionaries do manage to cut through (like Sanders for example), they usually are conspired against by other politicians who are frightened to death that their own status and power will be threatened by the new ideas.

Side: The People Must Speak!!
Chinaman(2982) Clarified
1 point

You dumb ass idiot can you vote for the Royal Family ?

Hack you got Shit for Brains !

Side: The People Must Speak!!
0 points

Absolutely no goddamned way. I have never voted in my life. The political system is a joke. Two candidates, both chosen and funded by private wealth. That isn't choice. That's the opposite of choice dressed up to look like choice.

And yet you slobbered over Corbyn for months like pavlov's dog...

Side: The People Must Speak!!
BurritoLunch(5195) Clarified
2 points

And yet you slobbered over Corbyn for months like pavlov's dog.

Corbyn and Sanders both prove the point, dimwit. Corbyn has been under constant attack from all possible directions ever since he won the Labour leadership. He's faced two votes of no confidence from dissidents within his own party and won both of them. He's been under bombardment from the right wing establishment press for the last three years, and he was the victim of a right wing plot to smear him as an anti-Semite (their/your favourite tactic of all). Sanders was also betrayed by his own party, which panicked at the fact he was serious about helping fix the system, and decided they'd sooner give the nomination to a woman who gets paid thousands of dollars to speak at Goldman Sachs conferences.

Side: The People Must Speak!!
-1 points

FUCK.

NO.

We have too many people who vote already with no goddamn clue what they're voting for or why.

Supporting Evidence: You Probably Shouldn't Vote (www.createdebate.com)
Side: Leave The People Alone!!
ChickenBeer(250) Disputed
1 point

Do you think people should do a comprehension test before being allowed to vote?

Side: The People Must Speak!!
BurritoLunch(5195) Clarified
1 point

Do you think people should do a comprehension test before being allowed to vote?

It isn't about comprehension. It's more about understanding history and learning from it. You've got a guy in charge at the moment who is literally copying Nazi rhetoric and policy.

Side: The People Must Speak!!
-1 points

No. Because the government will fuck it up. And giving the government restriction past a certain point on who can vote (That is to say, an adult US citizen, and frankly we need to strike down restrictions on convicted felons voting) can only end in disaster, because some asshole can twist the system and deny opposition the right to vote. I just wish people would be a little more responsible.

Side: The People Must Speak!!

We have too many people who vote already with no goddamn clue what they're voting for or why.

Exactly. And the Republicans are the party making the most gains from political ignorance. They saturate American media with propaganda and specifically target people who lack the common sense to see it for what it is: disinformation.

Side: Leave The People Alone!!