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Should we have safe spaces?

Should we have safe spaces? Or shouldn’t we bc there’s only two genders/other reasons. A safe space is a concept where a place (usually on a college campus) is put aside for certain people to congregate and be away from the “hate” that society gives them. Usually it is implied that LGBTQ and black people would only be able to use these places.

Yes

Side Score: 10
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No

Side Score: 45
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What do you call a safe place ?

Side: Yes
-1 points

I believe that societies or groups of people who face religious, LGBT, or racially based discrimination should have an area to convene and receive requisite respect from others when nobody else in the outside world respects them.

Another question: Why would anybody other than persecuted communities need safe spaces?

Side: Yes
marcusmoon(576) Clarified
4 points

I believe that societies or groups of people who face religious, LGBT, or racially based discrimination should have an area to convene and receive requisite respect from others when nobody else in the outside world respects them.

"...nobody else in the outside world respects them..." Really?

Nobody? Do you intend the hyperbole, or do you really think these groups are ill-treated by all outsiders?

What are all the behaviors you mean by discrimination?

What are all the behaviors you mean by persecution?

Side: Yes
mrcatsam(663) Clarified
1 point

Marcus,

I apologise for the misunderstanding. I intended a hyperbole, in case you were unclear on that.

Next time I will be sure to highlight or bold the phrase so you will be able to differentiate.

If I am aware, your supreme court recently heard a case in which a gay couple was refused a custom designed cake for their wedding, which shouldn't have been a problem.

If I am also aware, there was a KKK rally in Charlottesville, Virginia late last year that promoted white supremacy and hatred towards the unmistakably large African American population in the States.

Do the above examples not fit your definition of discrimination AND persecution?

Side: Yes
4 points

Safe spaces?

Do you mean places where people are "safe" from ideas or attitudes they don't like, or disagree with?

Do you mean places where everyone thinks the "safe" people are wonderful, so they don't need to fear criticism or disapproval?

Do you mean places free of bigotry, myopia, and close-mindedness?

There are no such places.

The problem with the concept of a safe space is that it is for people who share an identity, even if that identity is a way of thinking or a belief.

However, people are all individuals, regardless of sharing some single identity, whether it be LGBT, Black, Muslim, Female, or Black Muslim lesbian. Unless they are lobotomized, they will all take their unexamined biases and unavoidable disapprovals into the safe space with them.

People in a safe space for Black Muslim lesbians will still have reasons to criticize or disapprove of each other, or be bigoted against some aspect of each other. Maybe because some are American, and others are Somali, and they have cultural values that conflict.

So make a safe space for each of these sets.

People in a safe space for American Black Muslim lesbians will still have reasons to criticize or disapprove of each other. Maybe some are Shia, and some are Sunni, and they each think the others are heretical in their beliefs, or evil.

So make a safe space for each of these sets.

People in a safe space for American Black Sunni lesbians will still have reasons to criticize or disapprove. Maybe some are Republican, and some are Democrat , and they each think the others are despotic, or foolish and wrong.

So make a safe space for each of these sets.

And on and on until each person is in a safe space all alone, feeling accepted and unchallenged as she treasures the smell of her own farts.

Side: No

"Safe spaces" are a concoction of the left designed to coddle cupcakes and powder puffs, to their detriment, I might add. How does this prepare students to deal with the real world they are about to enter? It's a huge disservice to the students.

Side: No
3 points

The world is full of unsafe places everywhere one ventures may be unsafe , that’s life

I notice blacks also get lumped into the equation are blacks really demonised and made to feel unsafe in the U S ?

Why is it assumed that society mainly hates these groups you mention ?

Side: No
2 points

According to the constitution of the country, people have the right to gather at any place to share their ideas, thoughts and opinions without inciting of violence upon them.

There is no need to establishment of seperate safe space for a particular community alone which is a discrimination to other communities as a whole.

This idea will only help to promote doubt and suspicion among other communities as what offensive ideas about them are being discussed in these platforms which makes their entry to be restricted. This creates a furthur division between them.

Rather the communities should gather in public places and discuss ideas and people outside the community should also be able to understand the indiscriminations they are facing.

Side: No
2 points

I don't get it. It's not that I don't agree with having safe spaces, it's that there should be many many spaces all over the campus which are safe anyway. Basically any administrator's office, classroom, dorm room, etc. You shouldn't have to point to a structure on a map and say "there's the safe space".

Side: No
1 point

While I think it's important to have a place you can feel safe to be yourself, I don't think it's necessary to create these places for others. The world isn't a "safe" place, your job doesn't care about you it cares about your work, and safe spaces -in college specifically- give people this thought that they deserve special considerations when they come out to the work force when that's not really the case. Coddling kids should be stopped the moment they go to college. Of course I'm not talking about instances of bullying or actual danger.

Side: No
marcusmoon(576) Clarified
1 point

Coddling kids should be stopped the moment they go to college.

That is WAAAY too late!

Coddling needs to stop by kindergarten. That is the age people are moved from being almost exclusively with family/friends to being in public institutions like schools.

We cannot afford to have people think anyone else is looking out for their safety. That is why we teach kids as early as possible to look both ways before crossing the street.

The minute we are in public, it stops being about us and our safety or our emotional comfort. The moment we step out our door, our significance decreases and our responsibilities increase.

This needs to start before kindergarten so that it is second nature, and foundational to our worldviews by the time we leave high school.

We cannot have a society full of people expecting to have the world cater to their comfort, or even their needs. If we did, nobody would ever go to the back of the line.

We would end up with a bunch of useless snowflakes who need Play-Dough and puppies when they are disappointed about an election outcome, and a bunch of fascistic twats who want to police people's choice of Halloween costume because of their own mental hang-ups...

...How ridiculous would that be?

Side: Yes
Mint_tea(4641) Clarified
1 point

By college you are considered an adult which is why I think college. I would think stopping it by kindergarten is WAAAAAYYYY to early.

Side: Yes
1 point

You do realize that most blacks are anti LGBT, right? So...., I don't see them hanging out in no freaking safe place ;)

Side: No
marcusmoon(576) Clarified
1 point

You do realize that most blacks are anti LGBT, right? So...., I don't see them hanging out in no freaking safe place ;)

Depends on which Blacks. I have know a few flaming brothers, and more than a few black bulldykes.

Rue Paul? Miss J. Alexander? Wanda Sykes?

Although I cannot imagine any of these needing a safe space.

Regardless, my example was not about the particular identities, but about why safe spaces are ultimately incompatible with identity politics.

Side: Yes
jolie(9810) Clarified
1 point

So..., this safe place is gays only ;)

Side: Yes

Should we have safe spaces?

No, of course not. To say college campuses should host "safe spaces" to shield students from different ideas and beliefs. So, the byproduct of this is a bunch of liberals who think their ideas are the best ideas ever conceived. Then, when a conservative or even an intelligent liberal confronts them on their argument, they run with their tail between their legs. To me, safe spaces are a very light anti-integration program.

Side: No
Quantumhead(749) Disputed
1 point

No, of course not. To say college campuses should host "safe spaces" to shield students from different ideas and beliefs.

I'm not sure you understand what a "safe space" is. According to Google, we can define it as:-

a place or environment in which a person or category of people can feel confident that they will not be exposed to discrimination, criticism, harassment, or any other emotional or physical harm.

So, in other words, it is not ideas that "safe spaces" do not tolerate, but rather the typical harassment and hate speech we see coming every day from the American right. It is a place where you can go if you are gay, or black, or Muslim, or liberal, without having to deal with the nonsense of people like yourself who hide their bigotry and hatred behind false language.

Side: Yes
1 point

I'm not sure you even understand what a "safe space" is.

No, I know exactly what a safe space is now, and what it used to be. Safe spaces used to be what they're defined as; you could go to a safe space and know you wouldn't be discriminated against. Now, though, safe spaces aren't needed. Why? Because everywhere where a safe space is located, is a safe space itself. It's interesting to me because you always see liberal safe spaces, but you never see safe spaces for conservatives who are actually being discriminated against and attacked.

without having to deal with the nonsense of people like yourself

First, I don't see why you had to include gays, blacks, and Muslims like I hate those people. I don't care what you are, as long as you're contributing to society. Second, what nonsense? I can recognize my previous definition of a safe space was a bit over the top, but that's about it for me.

who hide their bigotry and hatred behind false language.

Conservatives aren't bigots. A bigot is defined as "a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions". Just because we disagree with liberals, doesn't make us intolerant of their beliefs. Minorities do not represent the majority.

Side: No