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Debate Score:54
Arguments:29
Total Votes:75
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Should we tolerate the intolerant?

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4 points

If we don't tolerate the intolerant then doesn't that just make us intolerant also? Kind of defeats the purpose.

I think it needs to be clearer who "the intolerant" are.

Side: Yes
bozwallocks(44) Clarified
1 point

Agreed. Also what does it mean not to tolerate? Have a stern word or violence? You can tolerate a person but not tolerate their behaviour.

Side: Yes
2 points

To a degree (as long as we're talking about in the USA with Constitutional rights).

They should be allowed free speech.

They should be allowed peaceful assembly to exercise that free speech.

The to a degree part is that speech doesn't allow them to resort to violence, or to threaten violence, or to deny the Constitutional rights of someone else (meaning they can't refuse to hire someone based on their intolerance).

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes, we should be intolerant of tolerance.

Tolerance, especially of intolerance, is the greatest single threat to world peace.

Side: Yes

The problem with this in the case of the United States is that it becomes a contradiction and useless mixing of terms. Conservatives see Islam as intolerant, because the Quran is intolerant, and Islamic extremism is intolerant and because they see Muslims genociding non-Muslims all across the Middle East by the hundreds of thousands while they cover their women up and herd them around like animals. And because Conservatives do not "tolerate intolerance" from Islam, now the left says they do not "tolerate Conservatives' intolerance". And then the left here has started using violence to shut down Conservative speakers by saying "we do not tolerate intolerance". And then the right counters by saying that the left is intolerant and elects Donald Trump to counter because he's not politically correct and stands for free speech. It becomes a mindless maze of word salads and buzz words by the time you get to the end, and everyone is claiming to not tolerate intolerance. This abstract "we do not tolerate intolerance" from each other is going to cause a war, plainly put. And finally you have the militant left and the militant right going around killing anyone or using violence on each other as they both declare their intolerance of the others' intolerance.

Side: No
Quantumhead(745) Disputed
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The problem with this in the case of the United States is that it becomes a contradiction and useless mixing of terms.

No, I'm afraid the problem is that you have a huge pre-existing bias caused by growing up within an intolerant bubble of neo-fascism.

Conservatives see Islam as intolerant, because the Quran is intolerant

American Conservatives are intolerant toward Islam because the vast majority -- just like you -- are raging Christian hypocrites who believe in all the same fairy tales, have the same history of violence, but who have religious reasons for hating Muslims which date back to the Dark Ages.

The problem is that neo-Christian hypocrites like you have the power to abuse language and reason. You have the power to invade three Muslim countries in 16 years and then claim Muslims are the intolerant ones.

Side: Yes
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No, I'm afraid the problem is that you have a huge pre-existing bias caused by growing up within an intolerant bubble of neo-fascism

I grew up on a Native American reservation.

Side: No
1 point

You have the power to invade three Muslim countries in 16 years and then claim Muslims are the intolerant ones.

Muslims invaded Kuwait and attempted to invade Israel. They own the Middle East and North Africa, a stretch of land far bigger than Europe, because of invasions and conquests.

If we use your logic, without Muslim intolerance on 9/11, there would have been no invasion or retaliation. Sadaam Hussein was also gassing and using chemical weapons on his own people. His own people toppled his statue and hung him like an animal.

Side: No
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American Conservatives are intolerant toward Islam because the vast majority -- just like you -- are raging Christian

Feeling angst towards Christianity due to "intolerant religious dogma" and then not feeling angst towards Islam for even more extreme "religious dogma" is ignorant beyond the pale. Joining Islam which is ultra conservative to fight non Islamic conservatives is mindless and without reason or logic.

Side: No
1 point

but who have religious reasons for hating Muslims which date back to the Dark Ages

Or to get really specific, Muslims literally believe they are the followers of the beast from the book of Revelation, aka the antichrist. Only they see it as a good thing rather than evil. It's why they behead people, have jizia, genocide Christians and Jews in their part of the world, etc etc. They are looking for a one world leader (Mahdi) who leads them in the mass genocide of Jews and Christians and anyone who does not submit to Islam. And for us, that's somewhat concerning.

Side: No
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It is impossible for a tolerant society to exist if we allow the intolerant to hold influence over society. Karl Popper says it best:

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

Side: No
0 points

I liked Popper, and he made a fine point here. I find that the arguments being put forward by the American right have become progressively more ridiculous the further to the right they have moved. I feel they are now at the stage of demonstrable lunacy and need to be stopped. I have felt that way from the moment I heard the first of them stand up and arbitrarily reject centuries worth of climate study.

Side: No
FromWithin(8242) Disputed Banned
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LOL, you ignorant bigot!

You finally admitted your bigotry towards Christians while giving barbaric Islam a pass.

You are a Liberal fool who hates anyone who does not blindly follow your Liberal agendas.

I forget.... a few decades ago it was called Global cooling and was the so called accepted Environmental dogma. We were all supposed to blindly accept your claims of Global cooling, and when we did not, you fools called us deniers!

Then Global cooling did not pan out, so you changed the name to Global warming.

Then the models were not proving the claims from so called climate experts, so they changed the name to climate change.

The Liberal environmentalists finally found a name that would not ever be shown to be lunacy. The climate changes every day everywhere on the planet. WHALA, CLIMATE CHANGE!

Gee, I wonder why thinking people do not all jump off the cliff like Lemmings, and follow the latest theories of these same enviromentalitsts who have been wrong so many times before.

Oh I keep forgetting. Environmentalists give money to the Democrat Party. Now I understand! It's about politics and America is suppose to become less competitive wth other nations who refuse to pay for climate change rules.

Gets some new material! You sound the fool.

Side: Yes