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Why not Not really
Debate Score:77
Arguments:73
Total Votes:90
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Should you open carry?

Open Carry is a law that permits gun owners to publically wear them out in the open, in public, on their person. It's kind of a YouTube craze to have people OC in crowded places, until a cop arrives on the scene to ask them some questions. Now the question isn't do they have the right som places,because they do, it's should they use that right. What do you think should people OC or not?

A sexy woman in yoga pants, carrying a rifle at her waist

Why not

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Not really

Side Score: 38
1 point

The right of mentally fit persons to bear arms is very important.

Side: Why not
Quocalimar(6468) Clarified
2 points

Nothing more you could say on that? In my argument on the opposing side, I addressed your right, and the reason you still shouldn't do it.

It's similar to your right to walk down the street cursing like a sailor. Sure you can but should you? Is it really right?

Side: Why not
Sitara(11082) Clarified
1 point

To be honest, if someone's guns scare people, they should hide them.

Side: Why not
Nox0(1393) Disputed
1 point

in US any kind of retard can legally own automatic weapons and unlimited amount of ammo, letting them carry it around isn't really god idea.

If I want to rob a Bank and I see inside a guy witch machine gun on his back, he simply dies first...

Side: Not really
link6065(740) Disputed
2 points

and screw you for downvoting me. I can tell you didn't really read anything in it. Your argument is crap.

in US any kind of retard can legally own automatic weapons and unlimited amount of ammo, letting them carry it around isn't really god idea.

I'd like to see you be that retard being around an entire society of armed folk. Chances are you'll get popped popped second.

If I want to rob a Bank and I see inside a guy witch machine gun on his back, he simply dies first...

A hand gun will kill you just as fast.

As it stands, a 65 year old lady chased out 5 armed robbers with one hand gun. Seems to me like one's life takes precedence over the crime. Trust me, you wont be able to kill everyone.

Side: Why not

That's what I'm saying. Although I disagree your argument style, this is one point we can agree on. When one has a crazy idea to kill people, and they're ready to follow through with it, seeing someone else with a gun won't discourage them, they'll simply kill that person off first.

Side: Not really

Of course, it is the absolute right of self defense, and the sight of open carry will deter crime just with the sight of a weapon.

Side: Why not
1 point

I think it is scary... i hope u comment on my argument please

Side: Why not
1 point

well if you have to have guns in your society (I think its not a good idea) then I think its better to have open carry.

there was the case in the UK where the police were sure a man was carrying a sawn off shot gun in a bag. the man was shouted at to freeze. the man not knowing who was getting shouted at turned around to see what was happening and got shot dead! turns out it was a table leg in the bag.

if it was only legal to have weapons on display then this would not have happened. So if you have to have weapons in your society. then make sure their on display. its worse if anyone could have a weapon and you don't know about it. because what if one of those people is about to do something?

if their on display and your uncomfortable with weapons you can avoid them.

Side: Why not
1 point

Guns are hard to find in my country , but I support this simply because do you want to risk your own life while hiding and calling/hoping there's police nearby ?

Life can be lost in a moment's notice especially in conflicts and all we can do is defend ourselves , what if the bad guys have firearms too ? Are you gonna fight with bare hands when there's no other way to run ?

By the way let me tell you something funny , our media is so stupid that they've once said the P90 is a sniper rifle (with a picture of the gun) , which totally disappoints me .

Side: Why not
1 point

if you have the license, you have the right to carry arms with you :)

Side: Why not

The right of mentally fit persons to bear arms is very important.

Side: Why not
0 points

Proven fact: An armed society is a polite society. and guaranteed most people on this site believe gun violence his risen in the U.S when in fact it has dropped... significantly. However, cancer and diabetes is on the rise due to companies like Monsanto and from experience of some of the idiocy from the people on this site I'm most likely going to get the "So what, who cares?". Just like I did when I told people the cure for cancer and diabetes, even AIDS and Emphysema can be cured with food grade hydrogen peroxide.

Side: Why not
Quocalimar(6468) Clarified
1 point

Asides from the part that's not relevant to this debate, do you have links to your proven fact?

Side: Why not
link6065(740) Disputed
0 points

“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” ― Robert A. Heinlein

http://www.ontheissues.org/tx/RonPaulGunControl.htm

Also, you can play a very detailed role playing game for free online with others that embodies that quote in the entirety of the game. By featuring the permadeath system and player vs. player combat. With an excellent learn by doing skill system that hides all numbers. for example you learn all your fighting techniques up to the level of "good" and you piss off a Baron who is a legendary swords master. (or even a merchant who sold him some cheep cotton when he asked for and paid for rare silk)He'll most likely cut off your head then wipe his ass with it. You die and start over. So you might want to be polite if you want to save your hide.

http://dartmud.com/

(Client needed to play the game)

http://mushclient.com/

Bare in mind the game has it's own terms of "polite" in respects it takes place in a feudal era. Also, it is a text based MUD and is no bigger a download then the <10mb download for the client.

also,

http://www.infowars.com/65-year-old-woman-with-a-gun-chases-off- 5-armed-robbers/

Infowars makes many good points towards my claims.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4281342491285

Why it would become a polite society. (seriously, those two robbers will think twice before just charging in)

Side: Not really
2 points

No.

It's your right, sure, but just like it's your right to wear a swastika shirt around Jewish people, it doesn't mean you should. Freedom of Speech and Freedom to Own and carry a gun be damned, people should have more respect for one another and not do things to offend each other.

In case people present the "I'll use it to protect myself and everyone around me" argument try this on for size, you can do your hero shtick with your offensive gun hidden on you just as effectively as you could with it budging at your side, or as in the picture, draped across you back.

Here's another thing. If I were a criminal and I had it in mid to shoot up a building, then all of a sudden I see three open carriers walking in, I'd make up my mind that when I do the shooting I already decided to do, those three die first.

So in open carrying, you're legally showing off your right to own a gun as a big 'kiss my ass' to the police, but you're also labeling yourself an inconsiderate jerk to the citizens around you who are uneasy around guns, and you're labeling yourself a target to anyone who may have got it in their heads that they're going to do something stupid with their weapons.

Side: Not really
Sitara(11082) Disputed
1 point

Mentally fit people have the right to bear arms. If people do not like it, tough.

Side: Why not
Quocalimar(6468) Disputed
2 points

They have the right, that was not the issue, the question is should you. Why should you use your right, when you can be a cool level headed person and suppress it for the good of everyone around you.

Carry the gun as the law permits you to, but to flail it about wildly like the person in the picture, and like the people on YouTube begging for a cop's attention is just rude. You don't think people should be rude even though they have the right to do you?

Side: Not really
ThePyg(6737) Disputed
0 points

just like it's your right to wear a swastika shirt around Jewish people

No. One insinuates racism and hatred towards a group of people. It's insensitive.

OCing a gun has no racist or insensitive connotations. Samurais used to carry around swords. It meant "I'm a samurai, don't fuck with me or I'll kill you."

people should have more respect for one another and not do things to offend each other

Many see OCing as reassuring of peace and security. An attempt to be racist is not the same.

hero shtick with your offensive gun hidden on you just as effectively as you could with it budging at your side

Not really. One thing is that it's really hard to hide an assault rifle. Also, if you're hiding a weapon, others won't know that you're holding it, completely eliminating the point, which is to ward off enemies.

those three die first.

Oh no! Hopefully they don't stop you in time.

you're also labeling yourself an inconsiderate jerk to the citizens around you who are uneasy around guns

Not this shit again.

Yeah, and gays who hold hands are being inconsiderate towards people who find that disgusting.

you're labeling yourself a target to anyone who may have got it in their heads that they're going to do something stupid with their weapons.

This is the ONLY valid argument, and that is up to the gun carrier. Essentially, if everyone open carried, this would hardly be an issue.

However, the pros of open carry outweigh the cons in my eyes.

Side: Why not
Quocalimar(6468) Disputed
3 points

No. One insinuates racism and hatred towards a group of people. It's insensitive.

OCing a gun has no racist or insensitive connotations. Samurais used to carry around swords. It meant "I'm a samurai, don't fuck with me or I'll kill you."

It's insensitive because people fear guns after seeing the destruction people using them have caused recently.

Many see OCing as reassuring of peace and security. An attempt to be racist is not the same.

And many see it as a scary person with a gun on their hip that could lose it at any time. The racist thing, it's not about it being racist, it's about it being insensitive to the people around you who would be uncomfortable around your gun out.

Not really. One thing is that it's really hard to hide an assault rifle.

So...why do you need an assault rifle? Who are you assaulting?

Also, if you're hiding a weapon, others won't know that you're holding it

That's the point.

which is to ward off enemies.

(s)Yea, sure. Every person who had it in their minds to shoot up a building, after spending hours convincing themselves, will see your gun and change their mind.(/s)

Oh no! Hopefully they don't stop you in time.

They won't because I'll open carry just like them, the only difference is, they'll be at ease thinking he's just a friendly gun user like me, then next thing you know, their booth is lit up "No body move!".

Not this shit again.

Yeah, and gays who hold hands are being inconsiderate towards people who find that disgusting.

Now it's my turn to call you out on an incorrect analogy. Gays holding hands is different than gays french kissing. In fact anyone holding hands is different than anyone french kissing. No one wants to see that, and just having the right to do that in public doesn't mean you should.

It's varying degrees of what is offensive that decide whether a person should still go public with it. In a town wear 5 shootings have just occurred in the year, to walk around waving your gun around, is too offensive for people who fear they may be next.

This is the ONLY valid argument, and that is up to the gun carrier. Essentially, if everyone open carried, this would hardly be an issue.

So you want everyone to have to own a gun? I know that's not what you said specifically, but the way that statement is phrased insinuates just that.

However, the pros of open carry outweigh the cons in my eyes.

The pros? And what are those pros? All I see is a person walking around with a gun as being the same as person walking around with silly bands. They're showing off, but they're hardly useful.

Side: Not really
2 points

They should put it in a violin/guitar/cello/bass case instead, just for the cliché.

Side: Not really
1 point

Just and other way how to "compensate" small penis :D

Side: Not really
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

You are so right, the woman in the picture has an incredibly small penis.

Side: Why not
1 point

I think it depends on the person. If you are a reasonable person that cares about others then chances are you aren't going to open carry when it is obvious you shouldn't open carry.

Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to open carry JUST so they can bother others and cause problems. They give BS reasons why they do it... it is always clear though they are just 5 year olds that never grew up. They have no business with a gun, let alone open carrying the thing. You take on certain responsibilities when you open carry and they simply aren't mature enough.

So, until those people grow up I have to go with "not really". No offense to all the others that do open carry responsibly.

Side: Not really

It is dangerous. People will be frightened when they see a gun in their presence.

Side: Not really