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Debate Score:17
Arguments:9
Total Votes:19
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Shroud Of Turin: Real or Fake?

Conditions

  • Jesus was real
  • Only scientific proof

 

Yes

Side Score: 9
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No

Side Score: 8

Maybe they can scrape some of that blood off and clone Him.... then they can call that, "The 2nd coming" I'm not going to heaven, am I ;)

Side: yes
2 points

What is the question? "Is it real or fake?"

So what would the answer "Yes" indicate?

Side: yes
-1 points

Scientists have found blood on the shroud. The cloth dates back 2000 yrs. ago. It is from Palestine. It is not painted. No human could have made it. It was formed by some type of X-ray that they didn't have the technology for back then. The X-ray light from which the picture came from where very different because light usually move straight, but in the shroud it moved in all directions. This is very different and even today do not have the technology to do this.

Side: yes
NerdvanaGirl(30) Disputed
2 points

You're wrong on a few counts, I'm afraid.

1) The cloth does not date back 2000 years:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,968744-1,00.html

2) It could have been cheaply and easily made, by man, using materials and technologies of the era:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/06/tech/main5365828.shtml

I have also provided further reading which analyzes the evidence and arguments in more detail:

http://www.skepdic.com/shroud.html

Side: No
3 points

Is it a shroud? Yes, it seems to have wrapped up a badly beaten man.

Is it from Turin? Well, its kept there, but it was discovered in 1355 in France by a soldier of fortune who never explained how he got it or even where he got it from.

So the real question is - does it belong to Jesus? I think highly unlikely. Some suggest that the person wrapped in the shroud was actually still alive, maybe unconscious or in a deep coma.

Carbon dating puts it at the 1250 - 1375 a.d. although the researchers say they could have tested where it was repaired in the middle ages.

Side: No
pablosmith14(21) Disputed
1 point

They found a coating on the shroud that messed up the Carbon Dating and then redid the dating some other way and found that it was actually from the time of Jesus

Side: yes
2 points

Carbon dating doesn't lie essentially since it was done in three laboratories:University of Oxford, the University of Arizona, and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology.

It date it from the Middle Ages, between 1260 and 1390.That is more then a 1000 years after Jesus.

Side: No
pablosmith14(21) Disputed
1 point

They found a coating on the shroud that messed up the Carbon Dating and then redid the dating some other way and found that it was actually from the time of Jesus

Side: yes

The University of Arizona examined a piece of the Shroud of Turin and it was determined that this shroud existed around the 12th century.

Side: No