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 So how did 8 years of a Liberal President work out? Have any of our problems been fixed? (24)

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So how did 8 years of a Liberal President work out? Have any of our problems been fixed?

Obama and the Democrats told us all 8 years ago how the 9 Trillion debt was a terrible thing for Amerca. How did they do fixing that problem? It has over doubled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama told us he would bring both sides of Government together, and stop the divisive partisanship between both parties, and would reach across the aisle to compromise. Not one GOP vote for Obama's hideous Progressive healthcare plan. He refused to  create a non partisan plan that both sides could support.
Obamacare punished our businesses, forced us to buy insanely high priced insurance, cost us jobs, created more part time jobs, and our wage increases were non existent for most of his terms!

How is our Social security solvency doing? It was sheduled for bankrupcy when Obama took office. What has he done to fix the problem? NOTHING! Just pushed the can down the road!

Our nation's culture and families have been falling apart, and what did Obma do to help stem the problem of fatherless children? Nothing! It's gotten worse.

He said he was going to help the Black communities and what has happened in 8 years. They are far worse off with more unemployment, terrible inner city problems, gangs, failed schools, etc.

He said he would bring back jobs to America. How did he do? TERRIBLE AS ALWAYS! Socialism pushes jobs out of America.

He said he would keep our nation safe from possible terrorist attacks. How did he do? He and Hillary made it much worse by allowing ISIS to come to power. We have had numerous terrorist attacks and killings on our own soil.

If you were on the Left and wanted more gun control, what did he do for you? NOTHING!

He, like every Democrat, ran on the hate the Rich, spread the wealth, get rid of tax loop holes so the Rich pay their fair share, etc.
What happened? Income disparity got worse, the tax loop holes never mentioned or fixed in 8 years.

The Democrat's one accomplishment was OBAMACRE. So this was their fix to our private healthcare system. How did they do?
They created a Government healthcre program that exploded in increased premiums and deductibles. They made it impossible for a middle class family to afford healthcare, but as always, bought the low income vote by giving them free healthcare subsidies paid for on the backs of the middle class.

The only people who ever do better under Democrats are those living off the tax payers. These are the ones who will for sure vote for Hillary because she is another 4 years of Obama.
Our College students are living in their parent's basements because they can not find good paying jobs.

So unless you are living off demeaning social programs, you are far worse off under the most Liberal president of our lifetime.

Liberalism, Progressivism, whatever you want to call it, NEVER addresses our huge problems, they only make things worse. They constantly pander to their voting blocks while making things much worse for the rest of us.

All the problems we had before Obama was elected, are worse today! Hillary has not separated herself from Obama's policies. She is more of the same! But this time, it will be four years of scandals, with years of battles over her email and clinton foundation corruption, etc. etc.
More divisive politics while our nation dies. Is this what you want?

What have you got to lose? Try something different just once in your life. Vote for Trump or someone else, or simply send a message and don't vote.

UNDER HILLARY (AS WITH ALL OF HER CAREER) ,NOTHING WILL BE FIXED AS OUR NATION GOES BANKRUPT.

Socialism DOES NOT WORK! 
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Is anything in this debate factual. (Cue Justignoreme)

JustIgnoreMe(4290) Clarified
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As you would guess - very little. Posted some responses.

We need an @JustIgnoreMe feature to refer to people so they get a notification. (is that a bit oxymoronic?)

Probably would just get used to harass tho.

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same sex marriage! waves a rainbow banner

anyhow, no single person will fix all of our problems, but with a liberal president in the office, we stand a better chance of fixing some of our problems, as opposed to a conservative president who would just let the rich do whatever they want without paying any taxes or worrying about the environment.

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Well, he did this.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/8-years-in-obamas-america.html

And who knows what would have happened under Romney and McCain but considering the utter failures of trickle down economics as well as their unwillingness to do a financial package during the recession we'd be looking at a fully collapsed economy by now instead.

Hey, look, I don't like everything Obama has said or done, and I'll admit I too was against the big bailout package, but it's utterly partisan and unfair to claim not a single good thing ever came out of his Presidency. And what you miss out on when you put the blinders on and post nonstop slanted conservative rhetoric, is any opportunity to persuade people genuinely in the middle and willing to be fair about these discussions. And quite frankly, if you could learn to talk strategically instead of with venom and smear, you and Trump might actually be standing a greater likelihood next week of winning this election. But instead, despite all the baggage of Clinton, she's still going to take you and Trump down. Nice work.

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Well no terrorist attacks the scale of 9/11 and we aren't at war so I'd say pretty good.

Amarel(5669) Disputed
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We may not be at war, but we are still dropping bombs and we have an enemy that is at war.

Having no terrorist attrack to equal the largest terrorist attack ever isn't an accomplishment.

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Why the fuck would we listen to you about the debt if you don't even know the fucking numbers you are talking about?

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You refuse to look at ANY FACTS that are not "suggested to you" by right wing propaganda, and you really SUCK THAT UP!

The reason we have had a slow recovery is the OBSTRUCTION to do anything about it by the DO NOTHING CONGRESS! They OBVIOUSLY have not had TOTAL success because, though YOU can't see it, things are MUCH BETTER than Dubya left it!

I, frankly, wouldn't care if they found Hillary to be a serial killer (which SOME are saying is true), she COULD NOT KILL AS MANY AS TRUMP with his control of nuclear war! I WILL STILL VOTE FOR HER over Trump! Fact checkers find that Hillary "lies" about 25% (give or take) of the time. They also find that Trump "lies" in the high 70's!

I am not known for quoting the Bible much, but, for those voting for Trump it (allegedly) says: "Forgive them , father, they know NOT what they do."

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I'm sorry but the majority of those 8 years especially most recently, have been hampered by a Republican Senate. It's hilarious that people actually think Obama is the most powerful person in the country. The Prime Minister here in Canada has more control over my country than Obama does the U.S.. The president is essentially powerless without control of the other areas of government and at this point Obama is more of a diplomat than anything.

cownbueno(407) Clarified
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Also how can you especially blame Obama for gun control laws when again, the majority Republican Senate has voted against almost every measure he's attempted to implement, even increased background checks, which everyone outside of the U.S. sees as ridiculous. There's a reason the rest of the 1st world looks down on the U.S., and has for decades.

- 79 consecutive months of private sector job growth resulting in about 15 million new jobs - ref

- the deficit is down - ref

- Stock markets are up; the DOW has nearly tripled - ref ref

- unemployment has been cut in half - ref

- The current black unemployment rate is lower than the average for any year on record except 1999 and 2000 - ref

- the fastest annual wage growth on record. - ref

- GDP is at record high and average GDP growth is up - ref ref

- Corporate profits have exceeded the highest they ever were under Bush for the last 20 quarters in a row - ref

- Business and non-business bankruptcies are down - ref

- Involuntary part-time workers are down - ref

- home prices have generally recovered - ref

- the poverty rate fell faster than at any point since 1968 - ref

- food stamp enrollment and cost is down - ref

- violent crime is down - ref ref

- Consumer Confidence Index hit the highest level in 9 years - ref

- Gays can serve in the military and get married - ref ref

- abortions and teen pregnancies are down - ref

etc., etc., etc.

all while taking office during the greatest recession since the great depression and having a deliberately obstructionist Congress.

Overall: not too shabby.

The above comment got me banned for cherry-picking...

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anyone can cherry pick numbers that mean NOTHING

My comment is cherry-picking, but "fatherless children" isn't? What exactly do you want big government to do to force daddy to stay with mommy?

Our nation is going bankrupt.

No, it isn't. As I already said - the deficit is down (below 2003 and 2004 levels). The way we will know our debt is too large is when the interest rate we pay on treasuries goes up - instead it is at historic lows.

If you want less debt - have fewer wars.

assinations of police officers

Police are safer under Obama ref

Our babies are being killed all the way up to birth!

Again, teen pregnancy and abortions are down. More than 90% of abortions happen in the first trimester.

Why don't you try finding examples of the 30+ week abortions that happen which you think should be banned.

social security

As soon as Republicans give up on trying to privatize it, they will work with Dems and they will extend it just like they have in the past.

We have Americans refusing to stand for our national anthem.

A) Jehovah's Witnesses have refused to stand for the pledge and anthem for decades. ref

B) So what?

[the debt] has over doubled

A) No - it hasn't. ref

B) Reagan nearly tripled it and Reagan + HW Bush quadrupled it.

Much of the debt that accumulated under Obama was the result of Bush policies - tax cuts, wars, the economic collapse, etc.

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bring both sides of Government together

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Especially if they have a deliberate strategy not to.

Not one GOP vote for Obama's hideous Progressive healthcare plan.

Many liberals were upset that it wasn't a progressive plan - it wasn't single-payer, it didn't have a public option, etc. etc. - it was as close as possible to the same plan Romney signed in Massachusetts.

Of 210 amendments offered by Republicans in one committee - 161 were accepted and only 49 were rejected - yet that plan still got 0 Republican votes in committee.

In the Finance committee - the bill did get one Republican vote - Olympia Snowe of Maine.

Language arrived at by trying to get Republican votes is still in the law.

[Black communities] are far worse off with more unemployment, terrible inner city problems, gangs, failed schools, etc.

The current black unemployment rate is lower than the average for any year on record except 1999 and 2000 - ref

Dropout rates are going down among all groups white, black, Hispanic, etc. ref

while the violent crime rate in Chicago is up slightly this year from where it was in 2013-2015, it is still down from where it was in 2012 and before ref

and murders and violent crimes are down nationally ref ref

what did Obma do to help stem the problem of fatherless children?

Besides set a good example, repeatedly speak about it, setup the Fatherhood and Mentoring initiative, create PSA ads, fatherhood.gov, pilot programs to increase child support payments, pilot program to get housing for homeless vets and reconnect them with their children, Second Chance Act grants to help incarcerated fathers return to their families, expanding services for children who have an incarcerated parent, working for criminal justice reform to keep more parents out of prison in the first place, etc., etc. etc.

ref, ref, ref, ref, ref, ref, ref, ref, ref, ref, ref, ref, ref, ref, etc.

bring back jobs to America

> Since 2010, more than 200 companies, mostly U.S.-based, have brought back production they had sent out of the country.

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> across all industries, from 2007 through 2012, foreign investment in U.S. manufacturing totaled $493 billion versus $270 billion the previous six years

> the number of manufacturing jobs that are returning to the U.S. — or coming to the U.S. for the first time — from overseas has hit a record level.

> 2014’s net increase of at least 10,000 jobs was the first net gain in at least 20 years.

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> foreign direct investment and reshoring of activity by US-headquartered companies added 67,000 manufacturing jobs to the US in 2015.

> the total number of manufacturing jobs brought to the US via FDI and reshoring has reached more than 249,000 since manufacturing employment hit a low in 2010.

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> Seventeen percent of manufacturers are "actively reshoring," or moving operations back to the U.S., up from 13% in 2013, according to BCG's survey of 263 U.S. manufacturing executives in September.

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get rid of tax loop holes so the Rich pay their fair share, etc. What happened?

The Bush tax cuts for the rich were allowed to expire while the cuts for lower brackets were made permanent, the Earned Income Tax Credit and the Child Tax Credit were expanded, increased/created scholarships and tax credits for low income students.

the top tax rate on investment income went from 15% back to 20%.

Restored limits on deductions for high-income taxpayers.

Cut down on asset discounting ref

Cracked down on offshore tax avoidance.

Increased scrutiny has led to 10s of thousands of voluntary disclosures allowing the IRS to collect more than $8 billion in tax, penalties, and interest.

Treasury actions to curb corporate “tax inversions” ref

The lowest fifth of now pay 6% less in taxes and the top 0.1% pay 6% more in taxes.

And wants to do more (enact the Buffet rule, end carried interest loophole, limit write-offs, close trust-fund loophole, etc.) - if you want also want more done in this regard, get rid of the Republicans that are blocking it.

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He said he would keep our nation safe from possible terrorist attacks.

I sure would love to see the quote where he said he would thwart every single attempted terrorist attack.

All the problems we had before Obama was elected, are worse today!

Baloney.

one accomplishment

As I've already told you - the Congress had a deliberate strategy to block everything.

Also, Dems only had 60 votes in the Senate for 132 days (including 38 weekend days, Veterans Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, etc. - they only convened on 70 days).

More divisive politics while our nation dies. Is this what you want?

It is what many Republican officeholders want since it is nearly the only power they have left at the federal level.