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So this is interesting

In my criminal justice class we learned that growing up in a religious family is a proven deterent to juvenile crime. What is your opinion on this?

Well duh

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Yep, it worked for me!

Side: Well duh
1 point

Soooo.... if your parents were Atheists you'd be car-jacking people in da hood?

Side: Well duh
addltd(5144) Clarified
1 point

Well, i don't know if I would put it quite that way, but let's say it has deterred me from being a complete delinquent

Side: Well duh
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I'm an atheist, this just makes sense.

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Side: Well duh
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Yeah because they teach kids to fear, now fear can work as it does but what happens when they no longer fear, this is when logic and reason has to step in, a human needs to do right not because of fear but because it is right, this is something religions do not teach.

Side: Well duh
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

Not fear, love. We are taught to love our fellow man for we are all children of god. We do good not out of fear but out of love.

Side: I object
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
3 points

But so many religious people hate others for the crime of being different, its more like told to love but taught to hate.

Side: Well duh
1 point

Deterrent to juvenile crime? Sure. Deterrent to raping little kiddies in the confession chamber when you're older? No.

Side: Well duh
1 point

Obviously. I would have thought that would be common sense to most people, due to the fact that most crimes are considered immoral in religious texts.

Side: Well duh
1 point

they should also teach their families about other religions as they also have the same importance as the other religions have .. :)

Side: Well duh

I say show me some sources proving it. I've researched the topic before and most of the studies I found have show the more religious a country or state is the more crime they have. However there are also some studies that show the opposite. The problem is it's nearly impossible to determine if religiosity has an effect on crime because there is no way to account for the myriad of other factors that could influence it, plus correlation does not equal causation. Here is a quick summary of some of the more well known studies on the subject.

According to the US Department of Justice less than 1% (0.07% to be exact) of the prison population identifies as atheist. However, this is only a census of prisoners willing to give their religious affiliations, so it's not going to be 100% accurate. Getting an accurate count would be nearly impossible because there is no way to know if people are telling the truth or if they converted/deconverted after entering the prison system.

Side: I object
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

All I know is that's what it said in the text book. I'm not saying its true I'm not saying its false but there is a general consensus among Criminologists that being religious makes you less likely to commit crimes.

Side: Well duh
4 points

"When it's said to be proven, one ought to wonder, who were those convinced; and certainly you shouldn't yet be one too, unless you've reviewed evidence." ~atypican

Side: I object
2 points

Yet... another bullshit debate.

Side: I object
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I can only comment from experience but I found that when I was a kid people did what was needed to fit in, irrespective of home life or upbringing. I knew a lot of kids with no religious background who were the best behaved and hardest working and some kids whose whole family were staunch Christians and they were real hooligans and a whole mixture in between. I also knew people who went to a very religious Catholic school run by nuns, their families were also strict catholics and pillars of the community and a bigger den of thieves and hooligans you never did meet. In the end I think with kids peer pressure is going to be the biggest cause of juvenile crime or prevention of because a lot of kids will do what their friends do regardless of the best efforts of parents.

Side: I object
warrior(1854) Disputed
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And that point is also brought up in the textbook peer pressure is one of the leading causes. However there is a general consensus among Criminologists that religious up bringing deters criminal acts.

Side: Well duh
2 points

I want to see that study

Side: I object
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

It was from a textbook. It was sighting statements made by top criminologists and Child behavior specialists.

Side: Well duh
Centifolia(1319) Clarified
1 point

until ive seen your sources and verified them as credible, I wont believe you

Side: Well duh
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Shhhhhhhhhhh...... don't tell that to atheists.... now they can't use their irrelevant arguments about religion being false because it leads to bad things. I was content with laughing at that argument, because of the obvious non sequitur, but now none of them are going to use it..... Shhhhhhh

Side: I object
4 points

I've never seen an atheist say that religion is false because it leads to bad things. They may say religion is false and it leads to bad things, but that's very different than saying it's false because it leads to bad things. Do you have some examples of someone saying that?

Side: Well duh

In my sociology class we learned that that isn't true.

Side: I object
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

Well mine is a Criminal justice class so consider your appeal to authority throughly trump't sir.

Side: Well duh
Intangible(4934) Disputed
1 point

The Sociology instructor was also a Criminal Justice instructor and the sheriff as well.

Side: I object

As with a lot of people on here, I wish to see sources myself. However, even if this was true, a point Warjin makes, is a morality based upon religion, even an efficient one, can become very fragile. Morality dependent upon religion, is doing the right thing for the wrong reason, and I'd rather see people doing the right thing for the right reason than people doing the right thing for the wrong reason, as well as I'd like to see people doing the right thing for the wrong reason than people do the wrong thing. If we allow religion to hijack morality like this, than we will never learn to do the right thing, for the right reason.

Side: I object
warrior(1854) Disputed
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Religious people are taught to help there fellow man because it's the right thing to do. Haw is that the wrong reason.

Side: Well duh
zephyr20x6(2387) Disputed
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That isn't the wrong reason, but the secular have that reason themselves too, therefore religion doesn't provide that reason. That is a morality based on secular reasoning, a religion based on religious reasons, aren't very good reasons.

Side: I object

Religion actually has been used as justification for many crimes such as slavery, genocide and executions of "heretics".

Side: I object
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

We are talking about modern times. Not the 1800s. Okay? Now do you have anything relevant not to add?

Side: Well duh
2 points

like killing abortion doctors?

Side: I object
1 point

So am I. Hate crimes happen all the time today because of religion.

Religion is poison.

Side: I object

Because every religious household is exactly the fucking same...

Side: I object
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

This is a general rule not an absolute truth. As the saying goes there is an exception to every rule.

Side: Well duh

I think it is debatable. There are some children who have grown up in religious homes who turned to crime.

Side: I object