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Righty's don't understand shit The fire dept is NOT socialism
Debate Score:52
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Socialism is BAD, but the Fire Department is GOOD. Wha???


Righty's don't understand shit

Side Score: 15
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The fire dept is NOT socialism

Side Score: 37
1 point

so·cial·ism

ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/Submit

noun

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More

policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.

synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More

(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

Side: Righty's don't understand shit
excon(18260) Disputed
1 point

Hello again, Spuds:

I got all that.. Just tell me.. Is Medicare socialism?? It's a simple question..

excon

Side: The fire dept is NOT socialism

Of course The Fire Dept is a form of socialism (involuntarily taken from your tax). Of course Medicare is a form of socialism! That’s why people are so stupid- no country is 100�pitalism. In a totally free market capitalism state - I have no kids and your brats should not be sent back o school on my fuckng dime!!!!

You made that dependent not me!!

I would feel better about paying into the medical system - at least I know at some point I’ll need it

Side: Righty's don't understand shit
0 points

Hello righty's:

Look.. I understand WHY you don't understand socialism, because your orange leader doesn't understand socialism either..

Oh, you want PROOF?? Watch him say, "they wanna raid your Medicare to pay for socialism" Really??? Those ignorant words are coming OUT of your presidents mouth.. It's kinda crazy that a nincompoop is in charge of things, isn't it??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nz8FBnDAQE

excon

Side: Righty's don't understand shit
Spuds(1074) Disputed
1 point

so·cial·ism

ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/Submit

noun

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More

policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.

synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More

(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

-The Dictionary

Side: The fire dept is NOT socialism
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

SUPER STUPID are you aware that the working man and woman pay into the FICA ?

You DUMMY LEFTIST show up always lacking any facts and you are a business man? LMMFAO

This is just for you the FAKE BUSINESS MAN you are !

The Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) tax is a mandatory payroll tax. If you have employees, you must deduct the FICA tax rate from your employees’ wages and pay the IRS. And, you need to contribute a matching amount per employee contribution.

FICA is made up of two separate taxes, Social Security and Medicare. How much is FICA? Altogether, you withhold the FICA percentage of 7.65% of your employees’ wages per paycheck. You also pay 7.65% of each employee’s wages, so you both contribute the same amount. All in all, the IRS receives 15.3% of each employee’s wages for FICA tax.

Side: The fire dept is NOT socialism
2 points

The fire department has nothing to do with the means of production and is funded by capitalism.

Socialism is bad because it means no inviduals own any property and the government controls and operates all businesses.

In Venezuela, the economy was good, then the socialist government took over the businesses and didn't know what it was doing. Now the fast food has to be caught in the streets. And you wonder why we don't just hop on board like ignorant children.

Side: The fire dept is NOT socialism
excon(18260) Disputed
1 point

The fire department has nothing to do with the means of production and is funded by capitalism.

Hello Y:

The means of production for the fire department is equipment and real estate, ALL of which is owned by the government, and PAID for with your tax dollars.. Even IF you didn't pay, they'll STILL put out your fire.. That's socialism..

To quash your next argument, YES, there are some small fire districts with volunteer firemen.. That doesn't change the equation at all..

If you've been around here for a bit, you'd KNOW that I'm a staunch capitalist.. Nonetheless, we DO have a dash of socialism in our economy, and it works pretty good.. Of course, the military is the biggest socialist program we have, followed by the VA, Medicare, and your local interstate highway system.. Or do you need to bring your own before you drive to Pokipsie??

excon

Side: Righty's don't understand shit
Spuds(1074) Disputed
5 points

Of course, the military is the biggest socialist program we have

The military produces no monatary thing, and its gear and weapons are produced by capitalism.

Side: The fire dept is NOT socialism
Spuds(1074) Disputed
5 points

Of course, the military is the biggest socialist program we have

Trading a service for another service is capitalism, the opposite of a welfare state.

Side: The fire dept is NOT socialism
Spuds(1074) Disputed
4 points

The means of production for the fire department is equipment and real estate

The fire department produces neither equipment nor real estate.

Side: The fire dept is NOT socialism
1 point

Trading a service for another service is capitalism, the opposite of a welfare state.

Hello again, Spuds:

I'm not getting it...

Even if I DON'T pay my taxes, the fire department will put my fire out. If I'm a bum on the street who's NEVER paid a nickel in taxes, and have a heart attack, the fire department will try to save me. That's socialism..

But, if I don't pay my bill with the CAPITALISTIC PRIVATE fire department, they'll watch my house burn to the ground..

excon

Side: The fire dept is NOT socialism
Spuds(1074) Disputed
5 points

Even if I DON'T pay my taxes, the fire department will put my fire out.

At the expense of capitalists who pay taxes.

Side: Righty's don't understand shit
RavensBeak(282) Disputed
5 points

And capitalists who put the fires out voluntarily without government order to put said fire out.

Side: The fire dept is NOT socialism
1 point

At the expense of capitalists who pay taxes.

Hello again, Spuds:

Isn't that what socialism IS?? Taking from a taxpayer and redistributing it to the non tax payer??

excon

Side: The fire dept is NOT socialism
RavensBeak(282) Disputed
4 points

No, but if we go with your logic, we have volunteers, most of which are conservatives, volunteering to put out fires with no pay and no government instruction to put out any individual fire.

Secondly, taxes have nothing to do with socialism. Taxes are a capitalist concept. Socialism takes what it wants with no need for taxing anyone because it owns everything.

Side: Righty's don't understand shit
1 point

Socialism is BAD, but the Fire Department is GOOD. Wha???

LMMFAO what we have here folks is SUPER STUPID puking up Crazy Barney Sanders !

Preparing to Define ‘Democratic Socialism,’ Bernie Sanders Points to Libraries and the Police !

Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont spoke during a campaign stop at a home in Iowa City, Iowa, on Sunday.

Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont spoke during a campaign stop at a home in Iowa City, Iowa, on Sunday.Credit Daniel Acker for The New York Times

IOWA CITY — Police departments, fire departments and public libraries are bedrocks of American communities. But they are also “socialist institutions” and should be embraced as such, according to Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

He made that assertion at an event here for his presidential campaign on Sunday, after a voter asked how he planned to defend his belief in democratic socialism from attacks by Republicans like Donald J. Trump, who recently called Mr. Sanders “a socialist-communist.” Mr. Sanders said he would soon give a speech explaining the socialist label, which some Democrats think makes him unelectable, and proceeded to give a sneak preview.

“To me, democratic socialism means democracy: It means creating a government that represents all of us, not just the wealthiest people in this country,” Mr. Sanders said.

“I will remind the American people that there are socialist programs out there that are some of the most popular programs in America,” he added, citing Social Security and Medicare, which taxpayers finance to assist older Americans and others.

SUPER STUPID did you notice how Crazy Barney cannot tie police departments,fire departments and libraries to his Demoratic Socialism plan !

Side: The fire dept is NOT socialism
3 points

LMMFAO what we have here folks is SUPER STUPID puking up Crazy Barney Sanders !

Only 45% of the libs voted Bernie, so they aren't quite Communists yet, or so they say.

Side: The fire dept is NOT socialism
1 point

SUPER STUPID might it be you are parroting Sarah Silverman ?

Comedienne and actress Sarah Silverman revealed in a Tweet on July 2 that her understanding of socialism is so lacking that she might be better off sticking to comedy and leaving serious political analysis to those better qualified. Silverman took it upon herself to lecture former Secret Service agent Dan Bongino, who stated on Fox & Friends earlier that day, "Socialism is a disaster. The only people who support socialism are people who don’t know what it is or people who want to win elections."

In response to Bongino’s statement, Silverman tweeted: “Forgive me but you are daft. Socialist democrats are for socialized programs within our democracy. Like, education &health care available 4all, making sure all@kids have the same opportunities.. u don’t like socialized programs? Do you like the police dept? The fire department?”

LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: The fire dept is NOT socialism
1 point

"When you go to your public library, when you call your fire department or the police department, what do you think you're calling?" Sanders said Sunday in Iowa. "These are socialist institutions."

https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/22/politics/ bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism/index.html

SUPER STUPID can you Socialist explain your point here ?????? Come on DUMMY step up

Side: The fire dept is NOT socialism