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Socialized healthcare at its best...

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Yep, but...

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Yes, when doctors are forced to charge less, fewer of them spend eight years + in College to perform a very stressful time consuming job.

Side: Yep
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Socialized healthcare at its best...

Hello bront:

Not all socialized healthcare systems are the same.. For example, mine will treat EVERYBODY for EVERYTHING with NO waiting, and money left over to buy an aircraft carrier or two..

It's easy, really.. All we gotta do is ELIMINATE the private health insurance industry.. Do you know how many $$ zillions those health insurance executives make? Under my plan, ALL that money would go toward actual health care..

excon

Side: Yep
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Not all socialized healthcare systems are the same.. For example, mine will treat EVERYBODY for EVERYTHING with NO waiting, and money left over to buy an aircraft carrier or two..

Except that the dollar amount on your exact plan "Medicare for All" is estimated to cost tens of trillions of dollars over a decade.

Several independent studies have estimated that government spending on health care would increase dramatically, in the range of about $25 trillion to $35 trillion or more over a 10-year period. Specifically, a study released over the summer by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University estimated it would cost $32.6 trillion, $3.26 trillion per year, over 10 years. For comparison, the entire federal budget proposal for the fiscal year 2019 was $4.4 trillion, the Congressional Budget Office states.

https://www.mercatus.org/publications/federal-fiscal-policy/costs-national-single-payer-healthcare-system

And you gave us no plan on how you plan on keeping us from having to wait 500 days for care.

Side: Yep, but...
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Do you know how many $$ zillions those health insurance executives make? Under my plan, ALL that money would go toward actual health care..

Insurance CEO salaries won't cover $3.2 trillion.

Side: Yep, but...
excon(18260) Disputed
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Insurance CEO salaries won't cover $3.2 trillion.

Hello again, bront:

Gosh... I didn't mean to infer that insurance company salary's would cover the entire cost of my plan.. Sorry about that..

I've shown the math about 20 times right here on THIS website.. Did you miss it, or should I show it again??

excon

Side: Yep
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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Not all socialized healthcare systems are the same.. For example, mine will treat EVERYBODY for EVERYTHING with NO waiting, and money left over to buy an aircraft carrier or two..

It's easy, really.. All we gotta do is ELIMINATE the private health insurance industry.. Do you know how many $$ zillions those health insurance executives make? Under my plan, ALL that money would go toward actual health care..

excon

ROTFFLMMFAO !!!!!!! The HEALTHCARE GENIUS has spoken and here is what the IDIOT BRONT TROLL said - Under my plan, ALL that money would go toward actual health care..

SHUT the FUCK UP you IDIOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Yep, but...
WinstonC(1225) Clarified
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I personally am somewhat torn on this issue because I don't want people to not get treated because they have no coverage. On the other hand I pay a lot more money into the NHS than I would for private healthcare. I then receive the same service as someone who pays nothing, at a price several times greater than a service where I would be seen and treated instantly and with a higher quality of care.

Side: Yep
BurritoLunch(6566) Clarified
3 points

On the other hand I pay a lot more money into the NHS than I would for private healthcare.

You pay nothing into the NHS, moron. You pay tax and the government decides how much money the NHS gets.

Side: Yep
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This is my body, I have the right to live. If not, at least euthanize me, so i don't have to suffer without healthcare........................................................................................................................

Side: Yep

Hi Nazi.

The cancer patient had the freedom to pay for private treatment if they wanted. The difference between your country and my country is that there is a free health service available for those who can't afford private treatment in my country, and there isn't in your country. Hence, the patient gets treated after 541 days in my country, and never in your country.

Side: Yep, but...
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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Butt Lunch i have noticed that Americans are flocking to the UK for HEALTHCARE !!!! ROTFFLMMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Yep
1 point

Well firstly, there is no such thing as a free health service as some have suggested.

A significant % of the taxes paid by all those in employment goes towards funding the N,H.S.

There has been a growing strain placed on this service due to mass, unregulated immigration and the array of diseases these flea ridden migrants bring with them.

In addition to this self-imposed burden, and in common with most western nations people are living longer and many of the aged require 24 hour medical attention.

The health service needs to be reformed with nominal fees being introduced for such facilities as Doctor's appointments.

The imposition of a charge would reduce the number of unnecessary appointments and contribute directly to the coffers of the N.H.S.

An increased fee for all prescriptions is another MUST as this would lower the unrestrained, and in many cases, too many cases, the gratuitous issuing of expensive drugs.

With a little streamlining the first national health service in the world could once again set the standards and become the envy of the world.

The problem is that due to the voting power of the great unwashed political parties are shit scared to meddle with what is, in its present form a dysfunctional service.

Side: Yep, but...
seanB(950) Disputed
2 points

The single biggest obstacle to faster treatments is a political choice by the Conservatives to criminally underfund the service. We all know the conservatives would happily sell off the NHS if they thought they could pass it off to the electorate. IF that's not possible now, perhaps it will be in ten years when they've chosen to underfund the NHS to the point that it goes to pot.

As for your comments regarding immigrants, statistics show that immigrants bolster the NHS and are over-represented in nursing and medicine. "Health tourism" accounts for about 0.2% of NHS expenditure, and even at that, a person doesn't qualify for full NHS treatment on the same basis as UK citizens unless they are "naturally resident" in the UK. If it is an emergency and the patient is from the EU (where a person has been injured in an accident or indeed, as you've mentioned, they are in labour): then they are given treatment, but such costs in those circumstances are covered by the European Health Insurance scheme, which means that the EU country of ordinary residence, or the health insurance company to which the patient is subscribed, pick up the tab.

IF the patient comes from an area outside the European Economic Area (for example Africa), then their health insurance company are billed. If they do not have a health insurance company, the individuals are billed at 150% of the cost of their treatment, which nearly always must be paid in advance (barring emergencies), which fundamentally deters anybody from a poor country attempting to cheat the system for NHS treatment. And finally, anybody who comes to the UK from outside the EEA for a short visit ordinarily must pay a £200 surcharge along with their visa application.

But as usual, in your effort to further a fascist agenda that paints brown people and foreigners as scrounging scumbags, you fail to mention any of those facts.

Side: Yep
2 points

The single biggest obstacle to faster treatments is a political choice by the Conservatives to criminally underfund the service.

Absolutely accurate, which makes it even more despicable that they use their own choice to underfund it as some kind of attack against socialism. Idiots.

Side: Yep
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The upshot is that due to the National Health Service being overwhelmed by the flood of ailing immigrants requiring immediate medical attention those who have made their National Insurance Contributions all their working lives are being denied the medical treatments for which they have paid.

As a result of the Politically Correct Left wingers we see doctor's waiting rooms crammed with grime faced Johnny Foreigners, most of whom can't speak the national language of the country they invaded while the ailing indigenous patients are pushed to the back of the queue.

Health Tourists visit the U.K., from backward countries to have their diseases treated free on the *National Health.

Women from many African countries travel to the U.K., to have their babies born in Britain and avail of the high standards of midwifery, again all courtesy of the hard pressed British taxpayer.

Side: Yep, but...
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Side: Yep, but...