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Obedient drones Mind of their own
Debate Score:18
Arguments:15
Total Votes:20
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Soldiers and their orders.

Should soldiers be obedient drones who follow their commanders' orders without a moment's hesitation or a thought of right and wrong or should they consider the consequences of orders that might go wrong?

Three soldiers, one of them following his own orders

Obedient drones

Side Score: 11
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Mind of their own

Side Score: 7
3 points

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Side: Obedient drones
1 point

Right away, General Hellno! ;)

Side: Obedient drones
2 points

They have to follow one in charge, or they'll just be a disorganized group of freethinkers, with no central plan, and no way to formulate a plan in the pressing time one needs to be made. It's a battlefield things need to be decided as soon as possible.

Side: Obedient drones
2 points

Assuming the soldier isn't drafted.

When a person joins the armed forces, they are agreeing to follow orders. Which means they are agreeing to a contract where they will suffer the consequences if they don't do as they are told. I personally don't think this is a good idea, but if that's what they want to do.

So if a soldier is ordered to do something that he can't do, he shouldn't do it, but he shouldn't bitch when he is punished for insubordination.

Side: Obedient drones
Sitara(11080) Disputed
1 point

Soldiers have the right and the duty to disobey an unlawful order.

Side: Mind of their own
1 point

I, personally think the former(obeying order's) is better than the latter(soldiers having the choice to do as they choose).

If soldiers do as they choose, the army would be disorganized, divided, and massacred.

However if the commanders order's are criminal, then the commander can be reported. But if he can not be reported (e.g. dictatorship), then the soldiers should refuse the order, and if possible escape, and begin hiding.

But in most cases, soldier's should obey their commander's.

Side: Obedient drones

They are taught to follow orders but then when they do something wrong, they have to answer to the Pentagon.

Side: Obedient drones
1 point

After WW2 west German solders where taught that their first duty was to there conscious, in the US solders have the right to refuse to follow orders if they feel and can prove the order violates the constitution or is in any way illegal. This is how it should be otherwise you end up with the SS.

Side: Mind of their own

American soldiers are given more leeway than you might think. ;)

Side: Mind of their own

I find it interesting that there are so few opinions on the issue?

Side: Mind of their own
1 point

It is there duty to disobey an unlawful order. An unlawful order is an order that violates Constitutional Law, and civil rights. If a soldier is told to rape someone, it is his or her duty to disobey, for example.

Side: Mind of their own
Atrag(5666) Disputed
1 point

It is difficult to see how Constitutional Law is applicable to war. Which ones are particularly applied in a foreign country?

Side: Obedient drones
Sitara(11080) Clarified
1 point

I see what you are saying, but there are universal standards of morality. Have you heard of Abu Gharab? Those soldiers should be disobeyed and not raped the prisoners.

Side: Obedient drones
1 point

This question does not make any sense: it is pretty like to ask whether a man would better to be a man or rather a chicken! The point is that a soldier, who really desires to be one, has already taken a decision: chicken! So he might think of what he does, morally speaking, but this wont change what he is: chicken. Far from a man, that's the truth. Just hint at what Einstein himself said about soldiers.

Side: Mind of their own
1 point

First of all this question seems to favor each side.

But if our soldiers did not have an initiative we would never win any battles. Because it is well known that all plans go wrong in a battle. Every time we win is because a soldier or soldiers decide to do something about the battle they're in.

Side: Mind of their own