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No go back to your country! Sure lets hire them!
Debate Score:28
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Starbucks!

Starbucks just released not to long ago that they are hiring 10,000 immigrants. And in order to hire that many employees Starbucks will need to terminate 10,000 employees. How does everyone feel like that.  

No go back to your country!

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Sure lets hire them!

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3 points

Where does it say he plans to fire 10,000 employees? They are planning on hiring in 75 countries over the next five years. Now I don't know how many Starbucks are near you but they've built about 3 in my town alone and that's newer builds, they still have older ones here too. And 75 COUNTRIES not counties or states. Starbucks is a global brand so I question what the problem is with this.

Side: Sure lets hire them!
2 points

To make 10,0009 jobs you will need to open up 10,000 jobs. It does not have to say. I question what Starbucks is going to do. They make money but do they make enough to open enough stores to store 10,000 people?

Side: No go back to your country!
Mint_tea(4136) Disputed Banned
2 points

Seventy-five countries. This is multiple stores across 75 different countries. Filling 10,000 jobs in multiple stores across 75 different countries is NOT that difficult. People leave that job all the time since it's rarely a life choice for careers. In the US alone there are 238,000 employees (2016) and that's ONE country, so again, 10,000 employee's is NOT hard to fill and they won't have to fire anyone for it.

Here is their press release that goes over earnings.

https://news.starbucks.com/news/starbucks-q4-fy15-earnings-press-release

They have the money, they'll have the stores, and they have the means.

Side: Sure lets hire them!

This is not an immediate action, it's over a 5 year period. Do you think most baristas even stay in that same job that long? How many new hires do you think Starbucks makes a year?

Side: Sure lets hire them!
2 points

Reading comprehension fail?

Side: Sure lets hire them!

I am not against hiring immigrants, however only hiring immigrants is discriminating non-immigrants, just like only hiring white people is discriminating other people who aren't white.

The point with anti-racism is not to start discriminating a different group of people, if we do that then it's just an endless cycle.

So I'm all for hiring immigrants, I'm not for only hiring immigrants. They should have a fair and valid chance, just like anybody else. We are essentially fighting for equality after all.

Side: Sure lets hire them!

That is another point that pist me off when i saw the story. They are hiring based on race now. They will hire a immigrant over that countries own people.

Side: Sure lets hire them!
1 point

The point with anti-racism is not to start discriminating a different group of people, if we do that then it's just an endless cycle.

That would be true if Starbucks was starting from a blank slate, but they're not. That's the argument behind affirmative action, and 'reparations.' They would be like, 'reverse racism' if things were equal already. But what it is is an effort to rebalance the scales so we can reach a point where no such measures are needed.

And they're not hiring only immigrants. They're going to hire more than 10000 people in the next five years, they just want to make sure they're including this group.

Side: No go back to your country!
1 point

If you have read it their getting illegal immigrants visas and temp work tags to work for the company. They are hiring the very people that do not belong in the country. They are going to hire 10,000 illegals. They do not pay taxes they take the United States tax dollars and use them for their healthcare and low income housing. I work my ass off and when I go to the doctor I have to come up with a few hundred dollars. I pay 600 dollars a month for my small apartment.

I am all about jobs for them but better be here legally and did everything that is needed to be a citizen. If you are only allowed to be here by a work visa or a work permit than you need to leave.

Side: Sure lets hire them!