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The rich NEED more money The rich have ENOUGH
Debate Score:37
Arguments:23
Total Votes:42
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 The rich NEED more money (11)
 
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Stock market hits new HIGH'S. Do the rich NEED a tax cut?

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IF making lots of money CAUSES corporations to HIRE more workers, they'd be doing it NOW, wouldn't they??   Do you think giving them MORE would make them hire??


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The rich NEED more money

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The rich have ENOUGH

Side Score: 20
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Let's let rich people hog all of the wealth and screw the poor, and have people dying without healthcare because money is my God. -Republican Party

Side: The rich NEED more money

IF making lots of money CAUSES corporations to HIRE more workers, they'd be doing it NOW, wouldn't they

1)They are. The internet is your friend.

2)Taxing them to death guarantees they cut jobs and that many leave alltogether.

3)The rich are getting richer in America and...so is everyone else who puts forth even a pinch of effort.

The modest earners in this country have more than I had as a kid by far, and? Bitch more, and are grateful less.

Of course, here come the libs that don't think tax breaks "feel good", even though they "do good". Demonizing the rich and/or elites, and taking their money does nothing. They are simply replaced by a rich dictator, a rich dictatorial governing body, or replaced by other rich people.

Side: The rich NEED more money
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In the USA the rich have had things their own way for centuries. They are still not paying their fair share of taxes. From those according to their ability, to each according to their need. For example, the poor working class were the Americans who did all the dying in Vietnam. As the saying went: If you had the dough, you didn't go.

Side: The rich have ENOUGH
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I am actually smirking right now, because I am reading quotes from Karl Marx, the father of an utterly degenerate political and socio-economic system that works on paper, but not in real world application. However, the US had no business in Vietnam, that I will agree with.

Side: The rich NEED more money
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In the USA the rich have had things their own way for centuries

And every country on planet Earth in all of human history....

Oddly enough, libs like Oprah, Mark Zuckerburg, Bill Gates, and the like become billionaires without it being passed down to them. How do you suppose that happens? It must be magic...

Side: The rich NEED more money
2 points

I don't think they "need" a tax cut but I have no doubt they want one.

Side: The rich have ENOUGH
2 points

The only time the rich need a tax cut is if their businesses literally cannot turn a profit staying in the US or cannot compete with their foreign counterparts. That's not true. The US wealthy are wealthier than ever.

Side: The rich have ENOUGH
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They NEED to pay their fair share! Opposite to Trumps claim that the U.S. has the highest tax rate in the world, FACTS show that, all thing considered, we have one of the LOWEST, and even THAT is abused by the elites of capitalism (LIKE Trump!)!

Side: The rich have ENOUGH

1)I know it's hard for libs to grasp, but taxing the rich more equals less jobs, less bonuses, and helps no one. It's another case of supporting a "cause" that feels good, but doesn't do good. The left is notorious for it.

2)Lib media hates it when the stock market is high...unless it's Obama. We don't matter to the msm. Only their leftist messiahs and utopian fairytales that the rest of the world rejects, matter to these people.

3)When you tax them to death, they take the jobs to other countries where they don't get taxed to death.

Side: The rich have ENOUGH
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I know it's hard for libs to grasp, but taxing the rich more equals less jobs, less bonuses, and helps no one.

You are a lying idiot. Trickle down economics is a proven and demonstrable myth.

Since the turn of the century, the poorest half of the world’s population has received just 1% of the total increase in global wealth, while half of that increase has gone to the top 1%.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/it-s-time-to-demolish-the-myth-of-trickle-down-economics/

Side: The rich NEED more money
1 point

@Brontoraptor - Every time this subject comes up you Reich wing nuts bleat the same nonsense but you have no evidence or history to back it up.

As far as the jobs going overseas goes, just put back the job protection legislation, the taxes and tariffs that were taken down by Reagan and Bush and Clinton. They worked fine since 1789.

And the jobs going overseas? Apparently you haven't noticed that nearly everything is made in China now. As far as I know there isn't a single television manufacturer in the United States, just as one example. Repeat - we need to bring back job protection legislation that the Republicans and DINO Bill Clinton did away with.

Side: The rich have ENOUGH
2 points

I'll explain a little logic to you. Ya see, when you suppress speech with violence, make excuses for Islam's oppression of women, monopolize academia's young minds, monopolize the media and load it with propaganda, you are the far right disguised as something you are not, liberalism. And rather than global domination by Nazism, it's global domination under Socialism...which is? A part of Hitler's promise. A rose by any other name and with any other mask, is still a rose.

Notice which side is using violence to try to impose its will. The progressive inner Hitler is lurching out like an alien.

Side: The rich NEED more money
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Wasn't the Reich wing preaching socialism and a victim mentality all while monopolizing academia? Seems like we've seen that here lately...but not from the modern American right...

It must boggle your mind that Islam, which is ultra far right votes overwhelmingly left in the West. How do you suppose that happens...

Side: The rich NEED more money
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Be sure and tell me when the red pill of truth, logic and common sense starts kicking in Quantumhead.

I know I know. Your liberal priest...I mean professor, taught you about heaven...I mean socialist utopia...and you just...can't...let...go...of the fairytale.

Side: The rich NEED more money
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Every time this subject comes up you Reich wing nuts bleat the same nonsense but you have no evidence or history to back it up.

I don't need history to be pragmatic, but need common sense alone.

If Group A practices the tactics of group C, and Goup B does not practice the tactics of Group C, then Group A is like Group C rather than Group B.

Side: The rich NEED more money
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At one point during the Eisenhower administration the top tax rate was NINETY ONE PERCENT. With that money Eisenhower paid for the G.I. Bill, built the freeway system including thousands of bridges, hospitals were there were no hospitals and schools of every sort. He built much of the infrastructure that we still use today (although after all these years of hard use it's now crumbling).

When taxes were that high, the C.E.O. of a corporation on average made SEVEN times the wage of one of his workers on the assembly line, and they weren't complaining. The economy was soaring. Men who had no more than a high school education or less were able to support a family, with the wife staying at home, and the kids were sure to be able to afford college because it was almost free. They owned their own home, they bought a new car every few years and they had money to take the family on a vacation in the summer. They were living the American dream.

Coincidently at that time union membership was at it's peak. Jobs were everywhere. You could quit a job in the morning and have a better one by the end of the day.

Contrast that to what we see today. As of April 15, 2014 the average CEO salary was 331 times the wage of the average worker. The buying power of the average workers wage is far less now that it was during the Eisenhower administration.

I could go on and on but that's all I can stand for now.

Any working class person who thinks the rich need a tax break is NUTS!

Side: The rich have ENOUGH

At one point during the Eisenhower administration the top tax rate was NINETY ONE PERCENT.

Under Roosevelt it was ninety four. His original bill proposed one hundred.

Side: The rich have ENOUGH
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And then Obama spent the money building those things...in other countries...

Side: The rich NEED more money