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The message, from Page to Strzok, was among thousands of texts between the lovers reviewed by Fox News. The pair both worked at one point for Special Counsel Robert Mueller's probe of alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.
Page wrote to Strzok on Sept. 2, 2016, about prepping Comey because "potus wants to know everything we're doing." According to a newly released Senate report, this text raises questions about Obama's personal involvement in the Clinton email investigation.
In texts previously revealed, Strzok and Page have shown their disdain for Republicans in general, as well as Trump, calling him a "f---ing idiot," among other insults.
Among the newly disclosed texts, Strzok also calls Virginians who voted against then-FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe's wife for a state Senate seat "ignorant hillbillys." (sic)
That text came from Strzok to Page on Nov. 4, 2015, the day after Jill McCabe lost a hotly contested Virginia state Senate election. Strzok said of the result, "Disappointing, but look at the district map. Loudon is being gentrified, but it's still largely ignorant hillbillys. Good for her for running, but curious if she's energized or never again."
1)Watching and reading only liberal press is a poor way to not be "misled"...
2)Saying there might be another explanation for these texts, doesn't prove my explanation wrong, nor does it magically delete the actual words of these texts.
3)To say there "might be another explanation" can be applied to the liberal Washington Compost's explanation.
4)If I were to throw my hands up and simply accept the Washington Post's narrative and claims fully, it would still mean Obama definitively lied when he said this:
Sure it is. Possibly the biggest scandal in my lifetime and the liberal media doesn't even seem interested, inquisitive, and is suddenly disinterested in leaks. Good thing I don't watch or read just them...
Maybe you should look up Mark Warner and Steele. I mean surely CNN covered it...vigorously...
The FBI getting a (second) warrant through a court to surveille a guy that calls himself an "informal advisor to the staff of the Kremlin" is the biggest scandal in your lifetime??
Were you literally born yesterday???
No weapons of mass destruction
torture/Abu Ghraib
outing of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame
warrantless wiretaps
Jack Abramoff bribes of Congress
VA wait time manipulation & Walter Reed scandal
etc.
Mark Warner and Steele
trying to get in contact with the person doing the research and then openly telling Congress about it months ago is a scandal how exactly??
The FBI getting a (second) warrant through a court to surveille a guy that calls himself an "informal advisor to the staff of the Kremlin" is the biggest scandal in your lifetime??
1)he FBI gets warrants all the time on one person to justify "accidentally" using surveillance on others. It's common knowledge according to insiders. The scandal is that just Strzok's texts alone prove the man (Strzok) investigating Hillary was her cheerleader, and the man (Strzok), investigating Trump hated Trump beyond comprehension.
2)Hillary colludes with Russia on Uranium One.
3)We know for a fact that Obama claimed he is not involved in FBI investigations. Strzok says in his text that Obama wants to know everything.
4)Fact. Strzok and Paige were afraid when Trump won. Strzok was demoted later.
5)Fact. Strzok states that he didn't want to go too hard on Hillary because he thought she would become President.
6)Fact. Snowden made similar claims as are made about Obama now. He believed it so much that he left the country and gave up his job with the NSA.
7)Fact. Obama blocked agencies from going after Hezbollah. He then tried to secretly send Iran a boatload of money just as he was leaving office.
8)Fact. Turkey and Egypt accused Obama of conspiring with terrorists.
9)Fact. The media loved leaks and didn't care if it was classified. Suddenly they are against memos....
10)Fact. ISIS was on quite a streak of kills and news stories and looked unstoppable. Trump became President. Did they just magically vanish? Haven't heard from them in a while.
11)Even with all of this surveillance and entrapment attempts, I've seen zero evidence of Trump-Russia collusion.
We know for a fact that Obama claimed he is not involved in FBI investigations. Strzok says in his text that Obama wants to know everything.
We don't have any evidence that Obama influenced any investigation. The Strzok text was about Obama getting a briefing on the Russia investigation - completely proper (and prudent).
“I’m worried about what happens if HRC is elected.” -Strzok ref
Strzok and Paige said good and bad about Reps and Dems (and press and others)
Reps cherry-pick, exclude context and caricature to create a scandal - otherwise they have nothing to offer...
Strzok was demoted later.
reassigned - not formally demoted or promoted.
Strzok states that he didn't want to go too hard on Hillary because he thought she would become President.
Page (2:20:31): "Do you or Bill fundamentally believe that 3 and 3 is the RIGHT thing for the case? If the answer is no, then you call --- back and say we're good as is. You have never wavered from saying 2 and 2 is best. I don't get what the hesitation is now."
Page (2:52:46): "One more thing: she might be our next president. The last thing you need us going in there loaded for bear. You think she's going to remember or care that it was more doj than fbi?"
Strzok (2:56:28): "Agreed. I called Bill and relayed what we discussed. He agrees. I will email you and --- same."
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They are discussing how many agents to send, and "she might be our next president" is given as extra support for what they already thought was "the RIGHT thing for the case".
Where is the discussion about going soft - changing questions, avoiding topics, etc???
In order to try to help the moderate forces of Hezbollah over the more radical elements (see also), and to get Iran to eliminate its nuclear weapons capability - concreted parts of their reactor, got rid of their stockpiles, allowed in inspections, etc. Instead of being months away from nuclear weapon capability, they went to 10-15 years (and likely longer), and promised the world that they would never seek them. So, if they ever break that, we would be more likely to have the world on our side (for additional sanctions/war/etc.)
tried to secretly send Iran a boatload of money
Part of the Iran deal was unfreezing money that belonged to Iran.
It was done in cash because banking sanctions would have prevented wiring the money.
It was sent in secret because you don't advertise that you are flying a plane with $400 million dollars worth of currency in it.
The Trump Jr email shows at least a willingness to collude:
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Goldstone: The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.
Jr response: Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer.
Getting a briefing about Russian influence so that he knows what he is talking about when he meets with Putin is a bad thing?
I never mentioned it. And? Obama still lied.
Only by the (absence of) logic of the new Republican party
Ad hominems aren't going to help you here J. Obama lied, and now we are wondering what other totalitarian, secret, Stalinesque acts he has ommitted or lied about. We're going to find out too.
We'll hold Clinton and Obama accountable since you and the liberal media refuse to. Don't worry. We've got this.
This simply does not follow. Given the demonstrable fact that you are the biggest liar who currently uses this website, then you should have no moral problem with anybody else lying. What you appear to be trying to convince us of is both that we should take the unsupported word of a proven liar as fact, and that despite being a proven liar, you are opposed to other people lying. At best you are a hypocrite and at worst you are a complete imbecile.
You still have the daunting task of explaining how the Russians "social engineered" Trump to 3 million less votes and less votes than Romney got as the last Republican candidate for President.
Show us some of this "engineering" so we can see it. Ya know...with examples and stuff....
Otherwise, I will rightfully assume that you are being hyperbolic.
You still have the daunting task of explaining how the Russians "social engineered" Trump to 3 million less votes
Lol. So if someone cheats and loses you are saying they therefore can't have cheated?
The only thing "daunting" about pointing out your deliberate abuses of logic and language are that you make so many of them that it gets difficult to keep up. By the time we have exposed your first lie you are usually onto number six or seven.
Lol. So if someone cheats and loses you are saying they therefore can't have cheated?
So show us the cheating. I request it a lot from libs. Still not even a drop of proof. Not even a spec. There's more proof that he's a reptilian alien than of Russian collusion.
Progressive the Special Consul has not proven your point nor can he. The New York Slimes spreads propaganda and you are a willing participant in the lies.
Do you miss the point ? Obama is involved in a scandal that has been exposed and where is your" Boy King" Obama in hiding ? If it was not true why is it CNN(The Most Trusted Name in News) does not have the "Boy King" on for interviews ?
Watching and reading only liberal press is a poor way to not be "misled"...
Lol. Bronto, according to you anybody who ever criticises you or points out your lies is liberally biased. You're a ridiculous Russian twit. You claim the media, the FBI and academia are all biased against you.
The sheer absurdity of your bullshit is best illustrated by imagining you in a courtroom, accused of murder, smearing every witness as "liberally biased" (including the judge).
The historical record demonstrates very clearly that the American press is not liberal. It was factually proven in a comprehensive university study 30 years ago by Professors Ed Herman and Noam Chomsky, so your lies are literally three decades out of date, you silly Russian troll. They have actually made films about this enduring lie of yours:-
30 years ago, the United States and the media looked nothing like it does today.
Cable News Network (CNN) is an American basic cable and satellite television news channel owned by the Turner Broadcasting System, a division of Time Warner.[1] CNN was founded in 1980 by American media proprietor Ted Turner as a 24-hour cable news channel.[2] Upon its launch, CNN was the first television channel to provide 24-hour news coverage,[3] and was the first all-news television channel in the United States.
The first Persian Gulf War in 1991 was a watershed event for CNN that catapulted the channel past the "Big Three" American networks for the first time in its history
The historical record demonstrates very clearly that the American press is not liberal. It was factually proven in a comprehensive university study 30 years ago by Professors Ed Herman and Noam Chomsky
30 years ago Liberal Presidents prayed in public, the CNN was new, and MSNBC and Fox News didn't even exist...
The point? 30 years ago Reagan was President, liberals were overwhelmingly anti gay marriage, liberals were anti illegal immigration, and referencing that time period is stupidity that is beyond the pale.
Crazy Al of Road Island did Fox News make up the text between Struck Strzok and his Mistress Lisa Page ? It can't be blamed on a news source it is factual information. Al it is now known how criminal your party is and you just wish for the days Americans got their news source from the 3 major Progressive news outlets.
In column A you have a politician wanting to know if foreign powers corrupted an election, and in column B you have a politician desperately claiming it's about nothing and he knows nothing while he proceeds to fire people and lie about it. It's getting deep for someone but not whom you think.
"This text raises additional questions about the type and extent of President Obama’s personal involvement in the Clinton email scandal and the FBI investigation of it."
But the text was most likely not even about the "the Clinton email scandal"ref
Sure, it is easier to jump around spinning each new story to fit in to the preconceived narrative than to wait for, uncover, decipher the complex truth, and hold opinion when there isn't enough info, etc. Yet, isn't it better than being wrong and looking stupid? At least for the people who get outside the bubble enough to see how often their version of facts isn't supported?
Poor Little Progressive you are spinning because you cannot handle the truth of the corruption and the depths of that corruption your party is capable of.