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YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED. NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
Debate Score:535
Arguments:163
Total Votes:658
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THE OUTSIDERS Novel -MURDER IN THE PARK-

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YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.

Side Score: 451
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NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.

Side Score: 84
17 points

I think Johnny was justified because he killed the Soc for self-defense, plus the Socs were drowning Pony so Johnny didn't have a choice or help since it was 2 in the morning and Darry and Pony were fighting. Johnny didn't have a choice, he saved his friend and was able to protect himself, so the bad guy in this story are the Socs. Although murder isn't acceptable is is still justifiable because no matter what someone would have died.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
3 points

I agree with your points because as you said before it was 2 am and the others were fighting so if he didn't do this the 3 would have died.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I agree with your decision ,but not only would pony-boy died ,but a chain reaction which may result in many more would of happened. luckily Johnny's decision prevented the event from happening.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
11 points

Johnny was justified because Johnny really did it because of self-defense. When Johnny killed Bob, he repeated "I killed him" over and over, but then he says he had to, because they were killing Ponyboy, and they were going to beat up Johnny, too. The socs had a blade. I think that either Bob or Ponyboy was going to die, so Johnny took the matter into his own hands

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
4 points

I also think the same because Johnny did it because he wanted to save his friend Ponyboy

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
3 points

I think that your answer is good because he was protecting himself and Ponyboy.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

I agree with you because Johnny was doing it for self defense and also save his best friend's life.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
10 points

It was justified because he was defending himself and if he didn't do that they would have drowned ponyboy and killed him. To add on, it was also justified because the Socs had beat them up and bothered them and they were capable of killing them.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
Carolina7430(2) Disputed
3 points

I disagree with you because it was not ok for Johnny to murder Bob before he tried other options like fighting him first or hitting him to get Ponyboy loose.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
10 points

I think that what Johnny did was JUSTIFIED. I think this because he was doing it in self-defense, and if he didn't do ponyboy could have died.Also, the socs where drunk and they didn't know exactly what they were doing so they could kill pony and also beaten johnny up again.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
10 points

I feel that is was justified because of the fact that he was self safeguarding and on the off chance that he didn't cut them presumably they would have slaughtered Ponyboy by suffocating and drowning. It was likewise supported due to that the Socs had beat them up and disturbed them before and they were equipped for executing them.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
8 points

Jhonny was justified because they were going to both hurt him and Ponyboy, and Pony might have been killed because of what the socs were doing to him. So what Jhonny did was just in self-defense, since they were going to hurt him, and kill Ponyboy.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
8 points

I think that Johnny did the right things because if not PonyBoy would have been killed and Bob was just there bothering PonyBoy In my opinion I think that Bob deserves to be killed

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

I agree with you because as you said Bob does deserve to be killed because of all the things he has done.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
8 points

What Johnny did was not the best decision he could of made. But, it was justified because wether they killed his friend Ponyboy and beat him up, or he killed one of the Socs to make them stop. It was the only way for his friend to survive and not be drowned and for him not to be hurt.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
corde6059(5) Disputed
2 points

respectfully I believe that both Jhonny and Ponyboy could have survived even if Bob wasn't killed in the book it only talks about how the other socs left after how Jhonny used the switchblade, that doesn't mean that he had to use it to the extreme.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
8 points

Yes I think Johnny did the right think to kill Non because if he wouldn't killed him Pony Boy would have been drowned and killed and Johnny decided to stand up and help his friend pony boy.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
8 points

I also thing that Johnny did the right thing because he was saving another murder but a wrong murder because Bob and his friends were drowning Ponyboy because he wanted to, but Johnny killed him because he was also doing a murder, he was drowning Pony.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
8 points

I think that Johnny was justified because when it comes to death you protect yourself and defend the people you love as well as himself. Also, in the book, they mentioned that Johnny was already hit before by the Socs and he has a really hard time with family. Finally, I agree that Jonny was justified in killing Bob.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
8 points

I think it should be justified since it was used as self defense and to save his friend PonnyBoy. Otherwise if Johnny didnt take action PonnyBoy could get killed

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
7 points

Yes. Johnny could do this as a way of self-defense towards the socs because he and Ponyboy were being abused and he had to do something. And that was the only thing that he could do.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
7 points

Yes, because he was doing it in self-defense and the socs were almost killing ponyboy.

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Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
7 points

It was justified because Johnny did this to save Ponyboy who was being drowned and could have died. Also because he was defending himself, because they were beating him up.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
7 points

I believe that there are 2 sides to these, but it is more justifiable YES because he shouldn't do it because you shouldn't kill people, and it is bad to do that, but it is good because they should do everything to defend their friends, because if Johnny didn't help him, Pony Boy would probably be dead, It is totally Justifiable.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

I agree with you because if he wouldn't murder the Socs they could be hurt. It's good that he defended his friend and himself.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
7 points

He should be justified because it was like self defense and saving his friend because after they killed pony boy they would go and beat Johnny up or even though kill him too.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
7 points

Johnny was only trying to protect his best friend and did what he thought he had to do at that moment.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
7 points

Johnny was trying to save Ponyboy and himself from the socs because they were hurting them, there were about to kill them.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
7 points

Throughout the book, we have seen how much the socs were close to killing greasers. For example when the socs grabbed PonyBoy and slit his neck. They were also drowning Pony and after that, they were going to beat up Johnny. That was self-defense to an extent. I'm not saying it was the right thing to do, but he shouldn't get in trouble. So, Johnny is justified.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
7 points

Yes, Johny was justified. Because as it was mentioned before when Johny and Pony stand up for Dally because Cherry said something about him. Pony mentions how the gang stands up for themselves always. So this was a way of standing up for Pony. Also, Pony could've died if Johnny wouldn't have saved him. So Johhnny was in a situation to choose over a Soc or Pony. And I think he chose the right thing to stand up for Pony and save him.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
7 points

In my perspective I think that Johnny was justified in killing Bob because of many reasons behind it. Although violence and killing is obviously not the answer, it was what he had to do to save his best friends life. If Johnny hadn't killed Bob, then Ponyboy would have been the one that ended up death, so it was up to Johnny, did he want Bob dead or his best friend? And since he didn't have much time to think of any other solutions, he just did what he did to save Ponyboy's life. And the intention that Johnny had by killing Bob wasn't negative at all, it wasn't much about hatred towards Bob but more of a good intention, to save Ponyboy. That is proven in the book, when Johnny keeps repeating to himself and Ponyboy that he just killed a person and murdered someone, so his intentions weren't bad at all. In addition to that, he also did it for himself, by killing Bob all the other Socs left running and scared, and if he hadn't done something like that then the other Socs would start to beat him up in any second. As a sum, Johnny isn't the one we should blame here, he would never do that if the Socs had come and start to almost kill his best friend. He really had no choice, there wasn't much time to think of any other solutions, so he just did it. Maybe now reflecting there could have been another solution for that situation, but if you were Johnny at that time I assure you that you wouldn't have thought of another solution in seconds.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
6 points

It was right of Johnny to kill Bob in the park because him and the other socs were drunk, they were drowning Ponyboy and they were going to beat up Johnny after they killed Ponyboy

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I agree because if Jhonny would have done it they could have both ended up dead or really injured. And since the socs were drunk they had no knowledge of what they were doing.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

I think that Johnny was justified because, even though he murdered someone, it was one of his only options because Ponyboy was going to die and Johnny was next.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

Yes, he did the right thing because he was defending his friend, its self-defense. Johnny was not going to let the Socs kill his friend and drown him to death. So he did what he had to do.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

I think that Johnny was justified because if he wouldn't have killed Bob, maybe Ponyboy would get harmed really bad so I think that Johnny was just trying to protect his friend.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

Yes because they were really hurting Johnny and Ponyboy and they had been hurting them for a long time, so they were protecting themselves not to get harmed again.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

I think what Johnny did was justified. He was defending him self and pony boy which were being abused. He was protecting pony and him. He was being harmed by the Socs before so this means it was not the first time the Socs abuse him. He was doing it in a way of self defense.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I agree with you because if Johhny wouldn't have done anything Ponyboy could have been dead. I also agree with you because they were both being harmed by the socs and it could have ended worse if it wasn't because of Johnny.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

Yes, Johnny was justified because someone was going to get killed there, either Ponyboy or Bob. So Johnny had to use self-defense in order for his best friend to not die. He also marked that Socs shouldn't mess with greasers and that they should stay in there territory or else. If he didn't do anything maybe he would have also been killed and Socs would be killing greasers all over. It was also justified because later in the book one Socs said that Bob was never told to stop and that stab that Johnny gave him was the first time that he was told no, so he learned to stop.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
jesus7472(7) Clarified
1 point

I totally agree with you, someone need it to die either bob or pony boy and if bob was the one trying to kill pony boy then you need to defend ponyboy and kill bob.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

Johnny was justified because Bob was drowning his best friend. To add, Bob was bothering them. If he wouldn't do it Ponyboy would have been dead. Johnny had reasonable evidence to kill Bob.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

Johnny was attempting to stop Pony boy from drowning by attacking the ones responsible and had already been traumatized previously by the same people. This case is a justifiable homicide, although there would need to be further investigation

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
danGL(5) Clarified
2 points

Ponyboy was getting drowned by Bob and Johnny was acting in self defense to save his friend

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
danGL(5) Clarified
1 point

In the story the authorities do not believe it is a justified homicide, as both Pony boy and Johnny go into hiding, and bring a gun along with them which they did not previously own, as the homicide was committed with a switchblade.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
diego6465(1) Clarified
1 point

I agree with you, everyone is able to defend himself. Dan, I believe that you did a great job but maybe you should refer to some parts of the book.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

I think Johnny is justified since he used his switchblade as self-defense. In my opinion, he used his advantage unwisely since he took someone's life but technically they were trying to take Ponyboys life.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
Pablo6053(1) Clarified
1 point

I think Johnny is justified since he used his switchblade as self-defense. In my opinion, he used his advantage unwisely since he took someone's life but technically they were trying to take Ponyboys life.

Also, Johnny was raised to fight or defend himself so stabbing someone was an instinct. After that, you can see that Johnny regretted it and felt bad because of that.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

Johnny is justified for killing Bob because there were multiple Socs bothering Pony boy close of drowning him so Johnny reacted killing Bob, making the other Socs to retreat and saving his buddies life. In my opinion Johnny is justified for his violence but has to be careful on his future he might get an act of violence against him in the future.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
diego6465(1) Clarified
1 point

I agree with you! But I don't believe that he could you an act of violence against you......

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

Yes Johnny was justified because he did it to defend himself, it may be a crime but you have the right to defend yourself.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

I agree because bob could had killed him and ponyboy, so he decided to prevent it from happening.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

Johnny had to kill bob because if he didn't kill him his friend pony-boy would be killed by bob by drowning him in the fountain and pony-boy didn't did nothing bad to bob for him to start drowning him. It was a very difficult situation it was to see his best friend dead or alive and so he wanted revenge and so he killed him.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

Yes he did because the socs could had killed them, but with that they apear to be more scared

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
4 points

I agree because he was defending himself and Ponyboy was about to drown and die, he did the best he could have done.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

I agree because if you put yourself in johnny's shoes you would have done it

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5 points

I truly believe that what Johnny did was acceptable, I believe this because his best friend pony boy was being drowned by the socs and there was nothing else he could've done. If he wouldn't do that it is very likely that pony boy wouldn't be alive and he would be alone. He did what he thought was right and he did it to defend his best friend not just because he wanted to.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

I believe that it was a good decision because if he wouldn't have killed him ponyboy would've gotten really hurt and maybe could've died so he saved his life.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

i agree with you because ponyboy saved his life and he would have died

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

Johnny is justified because he did it for protection against Bob because he was drowning Ponyboy. Pony could have been killed and Johnny saved his life and probably his as well. Bob was drowning Ponyboy because of a pretty stupid reason, that they hung out with Cherry. Killing Bob also showed the Socs that they are capable of doing something like that. This scared them and probably made them think that it is not a good idea to bother them.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

I agree because if you put yourself in johnny's shoes you would have done it

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5 points

good because he was a bad person that always was doing bad things to everyody also i belive that is bad for everybody that guy was bad but if ponyboy would die he could saved his life

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

I think that Johnny was justified. It is understandable that fighting and violence is never the option for anything but they did not start the violence, they were confronted by it and he did what he could do best at that time. It is also clear that Johnny did not want to do it because towards the book he kept repeating his guilt and how he has to live with it the rest of his life. I think that it is safe to say that Johnny would have never killed anybody if they hadn't continuously be mean to them and jump them however, it was too much and it had gone to far so Johnny had to finally take a stand. Remember, if you keep on poking the bear it will eventually attack. At the end of the day he did it to protect a friend whom is like a family member and if your family member was dying wouldn't you do anything to protect him/her?

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

I agree with you, Majo. I also think that Johnny and the greasers where always getting threatened by the socs without any reason at all. If the socs weren't hunting them 24/7 then Johnny would've obviously not killed Bob, but because the socs were going around like an annoying bee, then obviously a normal human being would've killed it because they had enough of it. This exactly happened to Johnny, he killed Bob for self-defense and to defend his "family".

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
4 points

Of course, it was ok for Jhonny to kill Bob. The Socs were drowning Ponyboy. If Jhonny didn't kill Bob, Pony could have been severely damaged or even killed. Throughout the whole book, the Socs have been very close to killing a greaser. For example when they beat up Jhonny or when they were drowning Pony. So this is why I believe that Jhonny did a good job of being a loyal friend and defending Pony.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
3 points

I liked all of your reasons, but you should refer to other moments in the book.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
4 points

Johnny had to kill Bob because he depened on his friend and if he didn't kill him Ponyboy would be dead so it was a do or die situation but with all his froustration he had going on in his head he obviously wanted revenge.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
4 points

Commenting to Andreas comment how is violence never an option if you depend on your best friends life you will act different so violence is an option in those cases but it's hard for us to see that because we don't experience those things but in that case violence is an option.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
4 points

Johnny was justified because before he killed Bob, Bob was drowning Pony boy and nearly killed him so Johnny was defending his friend. Another reason why he was justified was because there was no other way that Bob and his friends could do something to scare them away in order to leave not just Pony boy alone at that moment but all the greasers for good.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
4 points

Johnny had to kill Bob for a good reason because ponyboy was depending on him if not there was a chance pony boy could have been killed by the Socs. Also, Johnney was justified because he risks killing bob to save himself and Ponyboy.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
4 points

Johnny is justified because in real life, if you were to be almost drowning and maybe even dying, it's okay to defend yourself. It is not the best option to murder someone but if you need to and the person is trying to kill you, I think it's justified. If Johnny were my friend I would be thankful because he saved my life even though he got into trouble. But would you rather die drowning or be safe but in some trouble. It's not okay to kill someone. There is a consequence to wrong actions. But Johnny killed because it was necessary to save his friend. Johnny saved a life while taking away one. It was the bad guy v.s his best friend. He is obviously going to save his best friend. All in all, I think it is justified for Johnny to kill the enemy because he was saving his best friend.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
3 points

I agree with you and I think that it is very important that you brought up how he did it for Pony because if you think about it Johnny was willing to get a huge punishment from the police, basically risking his life all for Pony and that shows how his intentions were good and if he had another alternative he probably would have because he kept saying "i killed him", "i killed that boy" in disbelief of his actions meaning that although killing should never be the answer it was the only one that he could result to.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I agree that Johnny did it to save his friend because he was about to die and he saved a good persons' life. Also, Bob did something bad too, so he is not totally innocent so I agree with you and think that he is justified.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
4 points

I think that johnny's murder was justified because it was self-defense because if he didn't kill him ponyboy would have drowned and died. Also, he couldn't ask for help because it was two in the morning and he could ask for help because the others were also fighting.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
4 points

I think that Johnny was justified. He killed someone who was trying to kill his best friend by drowning him, even though Pony Boy had done nothing. Also, Johnny did have the right to defend his best friend by someone who had threatened and punched him a million times for again, no reason at all. If it wasn't for Johnny getting to be brave (which never happens) Pony Boy would've have been killed by the socs, and the greasers might have blamed it all on Johnny because he didn't take any action at all. Example from the text, "I had to. They were drowning you, Pony. They might have killed you. And they had a blade... they were gonna beat me up....". On the other hand, I kind of doesn't like that Johnny killed a person. First of all, it is legally wrong to kill someone, this makes Johnny be in a tight spot because he could be sent to jail. I also think that Johnny could've had saved Pony Boy without having to kill someone. In conclusion, I think that Johnny did have the right to take action and defend Pony Boy, by killing Bob.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
4 points

Yes, Jhonny was justified. He killed someone who had done just as bad or worse than he had. Jhonny was doing the only thing he could, if he didn't kill Bob Ponyboy would probably be dead. Bob had previously hurt Jhonny and beat him up unfairly. He was protecting Ponyboy from any further damage and if Jhonny hadn't been brave they would probably BOTH be dead. It was also like self-defense because the socs jump greasers and hurt them for no reason like they did to him and they would probably have killed him too. Here is the proof: "I had to. They were drowning you, Pony. They might have killed you. And they had a blade... they were gonna beat me up...." On the other hand, killing is something really bad to do he could have just hurt him but then Bob would go with the cops and have him arrested. I think that Jhonny was in a tight spot were he had to choose whether to let something bad happen(Killing Bob) or something even worse for him (Pony and him getting killed).

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

I definitely agree with you because I also think that if Johnny didn't do anything Ponyboy could have been dead. I also strongly agree with you because he was doing to protect his friend. I liked how you included evidence to support your position.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
4 points

Johny said "I killed him" and repeted it but when he relized that he needed to do it because if not he would of killed him and pony boy because they were no mach for Bob so he saved himself and ponyboy. He did what he needed to do for pony boy and himself

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
3 points

Johnny was justified. Johnny got the switchblade so he could later defend himself from the socs, if a attack like that happened again. Johnny kill Bob in self defense, as well the socs were drunks so they could easily kill Ponyboy if Johnny didn't intercept in the situation.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

I think it was also right because that might stop the soces from beating upp the greases and he was about to keill ponyboy and later on hurt johnny.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

Yes, Johnny was justified, even though violence isn't good he did it out of self defense because they were going to kill his friend. After Johnny killed him he felt really sorry and couldn't believe it, he also didn't mean to kill him but Ponyboy could have died. Also, the Socs were drunk and they were behaving really violently so Johnny didn't have an other choice

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
Camila8210(3) Disputed
2 points

I think you are wrong because killing is a really big action and like Bob had a life and Johnny just took it away forever and it is NOT ok.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
2 points

Johnny was justified because he killed Bob because of self-defense because they were drowning Ponyboy.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

I yes he should because he was defending his friend, and they almost killed ponyboy. Since they both had a blade one of them was goning to end dead. JOhhny took the action that none had taken before but shouldve had.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

Yes, Johnny was justified to kill Bob. The Soc's were putting in danger both Johnny and Ponyboy. Since Johnny is a good friend of Ponyboy he wanted to defend him. The Soc's were drunk and may have not known what they were and maybe they did but even if they did they were still putting in danger 2 people. Ponyboy could have died and I think that when Johnny killed Bob he had let out all of his anger and he mostly did it to save Ponyboy.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

Although murder is not justified, Johnny was doing it in self-defence and the murder was accidental, so he didn't want to commit murder just protect his friend

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
KFC_Lord Disputed
3 points

the murder was accidental

Murder can't be accidental because part of the very definition of murder is that it involves a premeditated intention to kill.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
2 points

The murder wasn't accidental because he killed the Soc on purpose to protect himself. He wanted to do it to help Ponyboy.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

Jhonny was justified because it is so that he can save poney boy. This is because it dosent matter if he killd hime because he atleast saved his friend

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

Johnny was justified because if Johnny used his blade when Bob did not do anything or was innocent, that might not be justified but Bob and his gang drowned Johnny on purpose and Johnny used a blade to defend himself and he wouldn't have known that he would kill him. If Johnny didn't do anything and didn't defend himself from them, he would have died.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

Johnny is justified because Johnny did it in self-defense. When Johnny killed Bob, he said "I killed him" over and over, but then he says he had to, because they were assaulting Ponyboy, and they were going to beat up Johnny, too. The socs had a blade. I think that either one of them was going to die, so Johnny took it into his own hands.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

Yes, Jhonny was justified because he did it as self-defense. If he had not done it maybe pony boy would be dead, he was just protecting his brother and himself because they were beating him up. The socs also had a weapon, they had a blade and they have hurt pony boy before with the blade, they left him a scar on the neck. When Jhonny saw that pony boy was going to die, he took care of the problem and he ended up killing Bob but he had saved his brother.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

Johnny should be justified because when you are talking about people drowning your friend that you treat like a brother the only thing you can do if you don't have the ability to fight is injure them but killing is NOT AN OPTION. This should be justified because the Socs also had already beaten Johnny extremely bad.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

I think that Johnny was justified for killing the Soc, it was self-defense to protect Ponyboy and himself. At first, he never thought about killing the Soc until he started drowning Ponyboy and hurting him, he did that because if he wouldn't they would be the ones getting hurt. Maybe it wasn't the best decision but it definitely saved them.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

Johhny was justified because he was defending himself and Ponyboy, and if he wouldn't kill Bob Ponyboy could have died and Johhny wouldn't let that happen since Ponyboy is his best friend. I also think it was justified because they were being harmed by the Socs and if Johnny wouldn't have done anything the socs would keep picking on them. Furthermore, Johhny marked that they shouldn't mess with the greasers and they should mess with the ones of their own kind.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

In my opinion, I think that Johnny was justified because even though it was a really harmful thing to do he was doing it to protect his caring friend, Ponyboy. Ponyboy had been really good friends with Johnny since his parents didn't want him around and even though they could have gotten in trouble Johnny did it because he was trying to help Ponyboy from drowning. In the book, it says "He was a strange greenish-white, and his eyes were huger than I'd ever seen them." This proves that Johnny did feel guilty of his actions but did it to protect his friend. On the other hand, Jonny also said: "'I had to. They were drowning you, Pony. They might have killed you. And they had a blade... they were gonna beat me up....'" This is why I think that Johnny was justified.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

Johnny was justified because he killed Bob for self-defense because they where drowning Ponyboy.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

in Johnny's case he did not have a choice, if he did not kill Bob then he would be dead himself so it's more of a eat or be eaten situation.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I believe Johnny had a reason to kill bob in the park. In the book, it mentioned that anytime that the Socs would try to beat him up again, he would use his switch blade to hurt the Socs because of when they beat him up. Johnny also is justified since the Socs were about to drown Ponyboy, he saved Ponyboy by killing Bob. If Johnny wouldn't have killed Bob, Ponyboy would be dead, that's another reason why he is justified for committing this act.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I agree with you, because they were trying to beat him, and they were drowning Pony, so it was self-defense, and helping his friend.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

Johnny is justified because bob was going to execute johnny anyway so Johnny said nope

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

i think it was okay for him to kill them because it was in a form of self defense.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

i think johnny was justified because it was self defense for killing the soc he was downing pony so johnny protected his friend

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

Johnny did self defense and someone was going to get kill any way,johnny or ponyboy. Johnny remembered how they hurt him and he didn't want to happen again to him or ponyboy.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I think Johnny was justified because he was protecting and saving Pony boy from being drowned and killed so he was just trying to protect himself and Pony boy he had no intentions of killing Bob, and even though murder was not the answer he had to do what he had to do to be safe.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

Since Bob was drowning Pony, I think it was right for Johnny to stab Bob for it was Self-Defense. Self-Defense is killing to protect yourself or others.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

Johnny had self defense also somebody was going to die, Johnny or Bob.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

johnny was trying to protect himself and save pony boy. if johnny didn't kill the guy pony would of drowned and they would of hurt or kill johnny as well.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I support this argument because if it is 2 in the morning and 2 people are fighting, then it would've gone bad if someone didn't do anything.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I support this argument because 2 people were fighting and it was 2 am.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I think that if bob was trying to hurt Johnny he has the right to kill bob for hurting him and the other greasers and bob had the right to die because he was hurting him and Ponyboy so yes Johnny had the right to kill bob for protection.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I think johnny is justified because he only killed one of the socs to protect ponyboy and himself.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I think johnny was rightfully justified because he was in danger from Bob and his gang members and so was ponyboy so attacking the was only self-defense.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I think Johnny was justified because he killed the Soc for self-defense, plus the Socs were drowning Pony so Johnny didn't have a choice or help since it was 2 in the morning and Darry and Pony were fighting. Johnny didn't have a choice, he saved his friend and was able to protect himself, so the bad guy in this story are the Socs. Although murder isn't acceptable is is still justifiable because no matter what someone would have died.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I say Johnny was justified because he has the freedom of speak

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I think johnny was justified because he said "yes i did kill him' over and over again. If he didn't kill him pony boy would be dead. They was trying to kill his friend. They beat up pony boy and tried to kill him so johnny did not want his friend to die so he took things in his own hand. Its self-defense. Bob attracted the boys that's why he had to kill bob.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I think Johnny is justified because he killed as a act of self-defense because they were drowning Ponyboy and kicking Johnny.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

i agree with Johnny killing Bob because they were drowning Pony boy. If he didn't kill him Pony boy would have been killed.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

Johnny was justified because they were about to drown Ponyboy, so he could have died. Plus, Johnny didn't have much time to think, so he just did what his instinct told him to.

He couldn't have tried to just fight back because he was outnumbered and that would never work, and also because he was scared of them.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I believe that Johnny was justified because if he did not kill Bob the Soc he would have been drowned all in self defense.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

Johnny was justified because her was doing it to protect someone, he wasn't the one that started messing with anyone, and I'm pretty sure he didn't mean to kill anyone.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I agree because johnny was trying to save Pony from the socials drowning him.Johnny was doing the right thing which was to stab bob the soc.I think he wanted to kill bob the soc because if he didn't pony would have died.Johnny was using self-defense for a good reason.Johnny was a good friend because he saved Pony.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

Johnny was justified because he killed Soc Bob to save Ponyboy's life.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

Johnny has suffered enough being beat at home so i think he doesn't need jail time. I also think that what Johnny did was self-defense. He was sticking up for him and Ponyboy. Taking Johnny to jail won't help him or fix what he did.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

I think johnny was justified in doing the killing. If johnny didn't kill bob the situation could of ended out worse than this. If he didn't then after they kill pony-boy they may would of come for johnny and he would be frozen in place. if he just injured bob they would of tackled johnny and killed him. Then the other greaser may go on a rampage and kill some socs for payback. Bob was under the influence so murder and other things didn't seem bad at all. so negotiating may be a horrible idea thinking you may not gain scars. If Bob lived he would live another day to kill someone else and he can also "Negotiate" with the police since they are rich or blame the greasers for such things. Even though the greasers must be more aware at least the socs won't think of killing unless in huge groups so the greasers can't be easily picked off. Personally if that event didn't happen then the possibilities would be much worse than just one or the other dying. Plus he was doing it for self defense for himself and pony-boy.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

yes he was because it was self defense.If he had not stabbed him ,he would have gotten killed.It was self

defense and he does not deserve to be put in jail.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
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Johnnys murder was justified because either Ponyboy or Johnny was going to die, they where drowning ponyboy and Bob was about to beat up Johnny they even had a blade. After killing Bob Johnny repeted the same thing "I killed him" over and over again, this told us how Johnny was not regreting his actions since he did something to defend him self and Pony. This tells us that eventhough Johnny is not treated correct by his parents he is still taught to defend others and even do things to protect his loved one.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
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5 points

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Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
6 points

I think that it isn't acceptable because even though you had an excuse you shouldn't murder anyone because it will always be wrong

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
jesus7472(7) Disputed
2 points

I agree with this, however, if they are killing your best friend I think that defending him and saving his life would be clearly justified.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
Benji6152(5) Disputed
1 point

I think that you have a point but if you where in a situation where someone could kill you and your loved ones, the most likely senario would be what Johnny did but I see why you think that.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
5 points

I think it was not good because Murdering is not an option violence is not an option and even though he had excuses and everything Johnny should not had chosen to murder bob even though bob was drowning Pony boy he should at least stop the fight but not murder

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
4 points

I think Johnny shouldn't have murdered Bob because even when they were going to kill Ponyboy he could have hit him or cut him a little to get Pony loose but killing him was a really bad choice. If hitting him didn't work after he tried it then he could have killing him as his second plan but at least he tried to fight him without killing.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
1 point

I think that your comment is totally true and killing is definitely not a first thought.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
1 point

I agree with you because I also think that killing is not a first thought and people can replace it with many other things that can make them faint or other things but not die.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
3 points

No, Johnny shouldn't have because he is murdering a person although Bob was drowning Pony boy, Bob would've got in trouble the next day if the cops found out that Bob was drowning Pony.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
Tania6136(2) Disputed
1 point

I respectfully disagree with you because the cops would've probably believed bob rather than Jhonny or Ponyboy. Besides, the socs would've probably killed Ponyboy eventually. Also, the socs attacked greasers for no reason like they hurt Jhonny. I also disagree because if either of the boys came to the police and the police believed them they would put Bob in jail for a few days and then Bob would come for his revenge against the people that put him in jail.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
anasofia(4) Disputed
0 points

I think he should have done it because Bob was about to hurt Ponyboy and kill him, so he was just deffending his freind which is the right thing to do.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
3 points

Johnny shouldn't have because violence is never a option to solve a problem like saving Ponyboy from drowning. At the end, Johnny felt very guilty and sad that he had to kill Bob because he had to use violence as an option, there could be other ways to solve the problem.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
3 points

I think that it was bad that Johnny killed Bob because even though it was self defence the Socs might not have killed Ponyboy, also because this caused a lot of trouble for him and ponyboy.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
3 points

I believe that the murder that Johnny preformed wasn't acceptable, considering that he is just a 16 year old boy, I understand he did it for self defence, but killing someone is not good, your taking his life forever. They were scared "I am scared Johnny, what are we going to do" Ponyboy said. Murder is an act of violence and it is not adequate. I believe he could just hit them, cut them or something less dangerous or less bad.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
3 points

Jhonny shoud have not done that because its never good to kill someone and its never an excuse to take his anger on someone else, even though Bob was bothering him.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
2 points

I don't think he should be justified because Murder is Murder and it is not good.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
2 points

Even though Johnny was protecting himself and Ponyboy, taking someones life is worst that getting in a fight, so I think that what he did was too much.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
2 points

Apart from the fact that Johnny was protecting him and Ponyboy, he doesn't have a reason to murder someone since it is a crime!

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
2 points

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Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
2 points

Johnny did not have to resort to homicide to protect his friend, and the authorities in the novel also believe that. Also, in the book we can see that the culture is quite violent and people settle disputes with fights, so there is a possibility this issue is common.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
2 points

Johnny was scared, the fear of the socs since their last encounter, for the beatings his father gives him, but Johhny shouldnt have. It was a gut reaction, he keeps a blade in his back pocket, he needed to use it, but thats no excuse to take a human life.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
2 points

What johnny did was wrong, even though he used it as self defence, since murdering someone is never acceptable nor good. He could have just punched him, or make a smaller cut that would only push him away and woudn't actullya kill him

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
6057raul(2) Disputed
1 point

I Believe that Johnny was trying to make a non lethal cut to scare them off so he could rescue Ponyboy, but he accidentally killed him, and punching the Socs wouldn't have helped and they would have beat up Johnny

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
2 points

I think that even though theyy could have killed ponyboy you should never kill someone

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
2 points

What Jhonny did wasn't acceptable, even though it is in self-defense he didn't have to cross limits and murder him. I understand the reason Jhonny killed Bob but the authorities don't believe it was necessary and neither do I. It would have been correct to hurt him to defend himself and Ponyboy but not kill him, for me it was excessive and unnecessary.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
2 points

Murder will always be wrong even if it is for your own self defense there will always be ways to help yourself w/o murder. Besides it is a mortal sin

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
1 point

Johnny had a reason to kill bob, but that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. Throughout the book, we can see both gangs try to avoid the police. And if he was in that situation, he would've just tried to push him off, and if they beat him up, he could've gone to the police.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
1 point

I think that Johnny shouldn't have killed him because there are many other solutions that dont involucrate violence and also at the end nobody wins, Johnny felt bad and scared and regretting his choice and Bob ends up dead so nobody wins at the end.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
lucianna6016 Disputed
2 points

I disagree with you, the Socs were drunk and Johnny didn't have another choice. Johnny did feel really bad and didn't mean to but if he didn't kill Bob Ponyboy would have died. Even though killing someone is bad I think you are wrong and he didn't have a choice.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
1 point

murdering is illegal and even though he is defending himself, he still commiting a crime

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
1 point

In my opinion, Johnny Shouldn't have killed Bob because I think that killing is something very strong and it can lead you to many problems, in life, with your mind and more. I think that instead of killing Bob, Johnny should of just knock him and his friends and let them sleep in the floor for a while then run away because killing is something that can also lead to problems to god. To conclude I think Johnny should of done something else instead of killing Bob.

Side: NO, JOHNNY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
BARB6511(5) Disputed
1 point

I respectfully disagree with your comment. Of course we all would have wanted for Johnny to do something else like knock them out or another solution, but imagine yourself being ion that situation, where you have a small amount of seconds to think of something since your best friends life is at risk. So if you think it deeply, Johnny isn't the one you should blame. Bob and his gang started it all, so sort of he deserved it.

Side: YES, JOHNNY WAS JUSTIFIED.
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