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 Teach me to hate Clinton (66)

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Teach me to hate Clinton

And do it right.  Don't just spill some bile on me.  Don't just link an ultraconservative website on another rant.  Give me a source any average American would recognize presenting damning evidence.  
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That's almost as pathetic as asking people to teach you how to eat food and drink water.

Hating Clinton and what her totally misguided political ideologies have done to America should be an instinctive reaction for any rational patriotic American citizen.

Look at the national debt.

Look at how Russia is calling the shots in Syria and are now positioning SAM missiles in that war torn region.

Look at how America's international influence has been degraded.

Obama and Clinton have presided over one of the worst periods of American history.

Those who cannot see this are truly blind.

Grenache(6103) Disputed
1 point

There's a difference between hating the body of work of a political party you disagree with and hating a specific person individually.

2 points

Well you're correct, I did go over the top and in that context it is only but right that I retract part of my original post.

''Hate'' is a very strong word and I don't think she should be ''hated'' per se. However, a person is what a person does.

Her madcap policies which are destroying America, along with dubious non-political activities brands this woman an altogether untrustworthy and uncaring human being lacking the moral fibre to tackle the issues to which the nation has given priority.

By definition, no one, including you and I have the full picture of her private life, so it is nigh impossible to judge her on anything other than what is in the public domain and there is no way this could equate to hatred.

2 points

If you don't already hate her you are a below average American.

Grenache(6103) Disputed
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And that's exactly how NOT to persuade someone to see your side.

Cartman, the USA is never going to get out of deadlock if it remains two polar opposites which just insult each other all the time. Ironically I'm really not even your polar opposite. Disagreeing with the conservative positions does not automatically make someone a liberal lion. And you're never going to persuade the middle moderates and the independents of the nation to see your side if it remains slash and burn opposites.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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And that's exactly how NOT to persuade someone to see your side.

I think my way is more productive.

Cartman, the USA is never going to get out of deadlock if it remains two polar opposites which just insult each other all the time.

Good thing you decided to learn to hate Clinton then.

Ironically I'm really not even your polar opposite.

I don't think you don't already hate Clinton.

Disagreeing with the conservative positions does not automatically make someone a liberal lion.

Yes, but isn't discrediting links you might receive, before you even receive them, kind of poisoning the well?

And you're never going to persuade the middle moderates and the independents of the nation to see your side if it remains slash and burn opposites.

Teaching someone to hate Clinton would lead to voting for Trump, wouldn't it?

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No, not really.

It would just demonstrate an absurd and all to common usage of the word "hate" that relegates it to an utterly worthless word.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

I think the title of the debate does that, not me.

2 points

You have been taught a thousand times. As I always say, people on the Left COULD NOT CARE LESS about all Hillary's corruption or the scandals of the Democrat Party.

The Democrat party has proven over and over they are the party of extremism. They refuse to care what the majority of Americans want because this extremist party has an agenda to transform America to one of Socialist Europe.

You think the same as they do, so you are blind to the problems in this nation.

People like you have no problem with a biased partisan Liberal press because the biased press agrees with you.

People like you have no problem with no restriction abortions when voting for Democrats even though over 80% of Americans say they want restrictions on Abortions.

People like you have no problem with a 20 Trillion debt because you believe in a Huge Government supporting the people from cradle to grave.

People like you have no problem with a totally failed Obamacare, no matter how many Americans were opposed to it, because you want Government run healthcare no matter how badly it works. But you want more than this pathetic plan, you want a total one payer Government controlled healthcare system no matter that Government bankrupts most every program it get's it's hands on.

People like you have no problem with forcing all states to change their marrige laws, no matter how many Americans in individual states were opposed to it, because you agree with Gay marriage.

What if it were a Conservative mandate pushed on every state by the supreme court? How would you feel about every state being forced to change their laws to something you did not agree with? Do you believe in State's rights? Your Democrat party does not believe in State's rights if they go contrary to political correctness.

People like you have no problem with forcing all pubic schools to allow boys in girls bathrooms, no matter how many parents oppose it, because you are brainwashed into political correctness whereby every abnormal orientation, or transgender disorder is somehow an equal rights issue. THEY ARE NOT!

People like you have no problem with forcing all states to stop mining coal and losing thousands of jobs, because your party has deemed Global cooling, I mean Global warming, I mean man made climate change, as an unproven catastrophy waiting to happen.

People like you have no problem with a Democrat party at war with our 2nd Amendment Gun rights. Yeh yeh yeh yeh, we all know the lies from democrats how they don't want to take our guns even though New York State's so called Safe Act made many hunting rifles in our homes illegal if they held more than 7 rounds.

People like you have no problem with free College, free healthcare, free everything even to illegal immigrants as we are now seeing, because you agree with big Government solutions to all our problems even though Government has proven many times to be corrupt and tied to those who bought their elections such as Hillary getting so much more money from big corporations then does Trump.

Government bankrupts about every program it creates. Now these programs never actually go bankrupt because Government simply prints more money to the tune of 20 TRILLION IN DEBT!

Then when a true Conservative like Ted Cruz shuts down this out of control spending Government, people like you crucify him. Shutting down Government is the only answer because politicians lack the guts to stop the spending themselves.

The GOP actually allowed military cuts during the sequestor but AS ALWAYS, this extremist Democrat party would die before they reduced spending on or even the rate of growth of social programs.

How did you like the IRS scandal where no one was ever punished for treating American political groups in a partisan manner while the head of the IRS just took the fifth!

You shoud be very afraid of these corupt big brother politicians in the Democrat party.

If you say you don't support all these things, then you are a liar because you would vote for a Democrat party that does support them.

There is absolutely NOTHING I OR ANYONE ELSE COULD EVER SAY, that would change your indoctrination of political correctness.

You want all the peasants of this nation to be taught and conditioned to think like you, and if they don't, they will be labeled deplorable and irredeemable.

What you say? You say you do not agree with Hillary's insults towards millions of Americans who will not vote for her? Then consider yourself TAUGHT and don't elect the corrupt elitist.

I agree, Trump talks like an idiot. He has not spent his lifetime learning how to say all the politically correct things, but never meaning a word of them. He has not mastered the ability to never answer a question, or how to lie to people.

He many times speaks off the cuff before thinking about what he is saying and then has to later clarify his statement.

But by then the biased media and the Democrat party has crucified him and continue repeating a statement that was not what he truly meant. These Democrats are truly sickening deceptive liars.

You might have noticed that the left wing media instantly dropped Hillary's deplorable and irredeemable comments. Were it not for Fox news, we would truly be a brainwashed nation programmed to think as Big Brother tells you to think.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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The Democrat party has proven over and over they are the party of extremism.

No. You have used that word incorrectly over and over. Plus, you are trying to teach a Democrat that Hillary should be hated.

They refuse to care what the majority of Americans want because this extremist party has an agenda to transform America to one of Socialist Europe.

This has been refuted when you said it last time.

You think the same as they do, so you are blind to the problems in this nation.

Sadly, you aren't blind to the problems of the country, but you propose the same terrible solutions.

People like you have no problem with a biased partisan Liberal press because the biased press agrees with you.

Republicans don't get elected when they aren't strong. This weakling attitude is not good.

People like you have no problem with no restriction abortions when voting for Democrats even though over 80% of Americans say they want restrictions on Abortions.

You are more responsible for abortions. That's a fact.

People like you have no problem with a 20 Trillion debt because you believe in a Huge Government supporting the people from cradle to grave.

You support the candidate who wants to increase the debt more. That's a fact.

People like you have no problem with a totally failed Obamacare, no matter how many Americans were opposed to it, because you want Government run healthcare no matter how badly it works.

Bad solutions are chosen over no solutions. Next time act faster.

But you want more than this pathetic plan, you want a total one payer Government controlled healthcare system no matter that Government bankrupts most every program it get's it's hands on.

Boy are you getting off topic.

People like you have no problem with forcing all states to change their marrige laws, no matter how many Americans in individual states were opposed to it, because you agree with Gay marriage.

People like you hate the constitution. That's a fact.

What if it were a Conservative mandate pushed on every state by the supreme court?

Does it enforce the constitution?

How would you feel about every state being forced to change their laws to something you did not agree with?

You just admitted that you haven't actually thought about gay marriage. You are claiming to oppose it simply because you don't agree with it, not because it was the wrong thing to do.

Do you believe in State's rights?

Why do you care? You hate state rights.

Your Democrat party does not believe in State's rights if they go contrary to political correctness.

Why do they only push constitutional laws then?

People like you have no problem with forcing all pubic schools to allow boys in girls bathrooms, no matter how many parents oppose it, because you are brainwashed into political correctness whereby every abnormal orientation, or transgender disorder is somehow an equal rights issue. THEY ARE NOT!

People need to be able to use the restroom. You want to do a dick check before going into the bathroom. The law prevents you from doing dick checks.

People like you have no problem with forcing all states to stop mining coal and losing thousands of jobs, because your party has deemed Global cooling, I mean Global warming, I mean man made climate change, as an unproven catastrophy waiting to happen.

People like you have no problem destroying the entire planet.

People like you have no problem with free College, free healthcare, free everything even to illegal immigrants as we are now seeing, because you agree with big Government solutions to all our problems even though Government has proven many times to be corrupt and tied to those who bought their elections such as Hillary getting so much more money from big corporations then does Trump.

Oh no, he wants to help people.

Government bankrupts about every program it creates. Now these programs never actually go bankrupt because Government simply prints more money to the tune of 20 TRILLION IN DEBT!

And you chose the most expensive candidate.

Then when a true Conservative like Ted Cruz shuts down this out of control spending Government, people like you crucify him.

You picked Trump and not Cruz when you had the chance. It is all your fault. Oh, and Republicans criticized him as well.

Shutting down Government is the only answer because politicians lack the guts to stop the spending themselves.

False. Wrong. Dumb.

The GOP actually allowed military cuts during the sequestor but AS ALWAYS, this extremist Democrat party would die before they reduced spending on or even the rate of growth of social programs.

They decided to shut down the government. They would look fucking stupid not cutting anything.

How did you like the IRS scandal where no one was ever punished for treating American political groups in a partisan manner while the head of the IRS just took the fifth!

Holy crap. You actually tried to present information. DId that hurt?

You shoud be very afraid of these corupt big brother politicians in the Democrat party.

You just gave a giant list of reasons why he wouldn't believe this to be true.

If you say you don't support all these things, then you are a liar because you would vote for a Democrat party that does support them.

You have always refused to admit what you vote for because the candidate you voted for indicated he was against it when he was elected. You don't actually believe this.

There is absolutely NOTHING I OR ANYONE ELSE COULD EVER SAY, that would change your indoctrination of political correctness.

It is actually the stuff you say that is hypocritical that causes people to turn to the indoctrination.

You want all the peasants of this nation to be taught and conditioned to think like you, and if they don't, they will be labeled deplorable and irredeemable.

Evidence against that: A debate asking to be taught the opposite. You on the other hand complain that anyone discuss information that goes against your narrative. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

What you say? You say you do not agree with Hillary's insults towards millions of Americans who will not vote for her? Then consider yourself TAUGHT and don't elect the corrupt elitist.

You are deplorable.

I agree, Trump talks like an idiot.

This isn't true. You don't actually believe it.

He has not spent his lifetime learning how to say all the politically correct things, but never meaning a word of them.

Right. He has spent his entire life saying anything but never meaning a word of it. What's the difference?

He has not mastered the ability to never answer a question, or how to lie to people.

You are a complete fucking moron.

He many times speaks off the cuff before thinking about what he is saying and then has to later clarify his statement.

And even fails after being told what to say.

But by then the biased media and the Democrat party has crucified him and continue repeating a statement that was not what he truly meant. These Democrats are truly sickening deceptive liars.

False. Trump repeats the original statements in his clarifications.

You might have noticed that the left wing media instantly dropped Hillary's deplorable and irredeemable comments.

Because she apologized for saying it.

Were it not for Fox news, we would truly be a brainwashed nation programmed to think as Big Brother tells you to think.

Another brainwashing source does not eliminate brainwashing.

FromWithin(8217) Disputed
2 points

I did not read one word of your deceptive garbage. I hope you spent a lot of time on it.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Congratulations on not attacking Hillary and attacking the voters.

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Grenache(6103) Disputed
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But I have criticized Hillary on this site. Yet I criticize her realistically. You guys go way over the top with conspiracies. You repeatedly call for jail time and charges of treason. Come down to earth and give me something tangible which an impartial judge or jury might find persuasive.

I'm not a hypocrite, I'm standing up to bull. Give me something other than the type of bull soundbytes which fill up Facebook and Twitter. If anything, coming to a debate website and not really wanting to debate other than to repeat the smears flying around the web is it's own form of hypocrisy. It's a debate site, and you're a good debater. Debate. Give me something to consider believing in. Because until you do you'll persuade no one who isn't already in your camp.

Grenache(6103) Disputed
1 point

All you gave me is a lecture. No documentation of any kind. Unpersuasive.

FromWithin(8217) Disputed
2 points

Like I already said. There is NOTHING a person like you would ever read that would keep you from electing a Democrat. If you vote for Hillary, you are as extreme as they come.

You are no way an independent or moderate. You are an extremist and the very reason I ban you.

I gave you many many resons to fear the Democrat party and you could not care less.

That means you agree with their extremism and why none of those positions bother you. You are an extremist who agrees with all these extremist agendas.

When it all comes crashing down, be sure to deny you had any culpabiity as you are doing right now.

You are culpable for every viable baby killed because you support it. That is not independent or moderate thinking when over 80% of Americans want restrictions on abortion.

Good riddance. I gave it a shot but knew 100% you could not care less what anyone says. It's laughabe you created such a waste of time debate. No one can teach an arrogant elitist. You people KNOW IT ALL! You are like talking to a liberal wall of denial!

Get your check into Hillary. She is your big brother extremist candidate.

2 points

As a democrat, I very much do not like Hilary Clinton. I am going to vote against Trump. But I am not proud of it. I vote because it is my duty and because I care about the future of my country.

I almost wish Trump was a little more polished politician, more educated, less of idiot.

I feel that Trump gave everything to run for President. I mean he deosn't need to be ¨President to have all the power. We know that money gives you power. So, that means he is running because he cares. When he speaks, it is full of faux-pas and exaggerations . . I feel the passion in his speeches.

Clinton on the other hand sounds like a robot. Someone who tells what the people want to hear in order to gain votes. I don't feel the passion in her speeches. I mean, have you heard Michell Obama's speeches? Those are speeches that grab you by the heart. Bernie's speeches are passionate and original. Finally someone decides to point out the issues in the American system.

I find that Hilary lacks passion and it makes her look like she doesn't really care. I want a President who will fight for us.

Now what I am saying is impressions. I could be wrong.

FromWithin(8217) Disputed
2 points

Vote for third party and take a stand against this pathetic arrogant corrupt Hillary. If you vote for her, you re enabling every future politician that knows they can get away with any corruption because idiots will still vote for them. You don't have to vote for Trump. Vote for a third party, or you are a laughable joke to enable such corruptions and lies..

Funor(13) Disputed
2 points

Vote for third party and take a stand against this pathetic arrogant corrupt Trump. If you vote for him, you are enabling every future politician that knows they can get away with any corruption because idiots will still vote for them. You don't have to vote for Hillary. Vote for a third party, or you are a laughable joke to enable such corruptions and lies.

1 point

Except you are enabling the very behavior you are railing against by voting Trump.

Which would make you a hypocrite.

Gypsee(261) Disputed
1 point

I am not voting for Trump. I am voting against Trump. Anything is better than having Trump. Even if I admire his passion, he is too unstable, unpredictable, uncontrollable.

There is no third party close enough to the ideas that I support. The party closest to my beliefs is the Democratic Party. It is unfortunate that I am not a fan of the person representing the party. I voted for Bernie.

Grenache(6103) Disputed
1 point

Then why don't you also vote for a third party? You can't possibly believe that Trump is your honest true champion for banning all abortion forever.

1 point

I can agree with you, and in fact I've said negative things about Clinton on this site as well. But like you I find Trump a worse choice.

2 points

Bill didn't spill bile on you but he did put cum on Monica's blue dress. Now you can't deny that fact.

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That's the best response I've seen yet on this thread. Thanks

It doesn't teach me to hate either Bill or Hillary though. Bill is a dog but frankly that isn't rare at all. And Hillary stood by her man and although she may have been a fool for that each couple makes their own decisions when they come to those crossroads.

I could hate Hillary if it turned out she was actively luring victims to Bill and conspiring to make them victims and then cover it up. But I can't hate her simply for staying with a dog and trying to do damage control when he screws up (or around).

Pull your head out of the sand and open up your eyes and ears.

That was easy.

Grenache(6103) Disputed
1 point

That's the type of lazy and insulting response which you yourself would never tolerate from any of the folks who disagree with you. You're a good debater most of the time. Persuade me.

HighFalutin(2919) Clarified
2 points

Here are some of Hillary's attributes; you can decide if you like them, or not:

Lies pathologically

Games the system

Feels she's above the law

Venal- pay to play via CGI

Duplicitous

Scheming

Enabler for Bill's dalliances

Has poor judgment

Makes bad decisions

No natural instinct for the job she's applying for

Uses people to break the law. 5 of her co-conspirators in her email escapade pled the 5th.

Willing to throw anyone under the bus to save herself.

Never recalls anything?

Self-serving, self-enriching.

Not fully forthcoming

Untrustworthy

For sale to the highers bidder

These are a few attributes that come to mind. If you like them, you will love her. If not, she will not be on your A list.

1 point

Why would you even post this? It is completely irrational, and you are clearly riding the bandwagon. Produce your own opinion, but don't have other people formulate it for you.

AngryNarwhal(30) Disputed
1 point

It sure seems like he is trying to understand a different point of view, rather than "riding the bandwagon" or having other people formulate an opinion for him.

His comment history seems to back that up, too.

Grenache(6103) Disputed
1 point

Maybe likewise you should be asking in a debate "Teach me to hate Trump". But no you're not. Because you and the majority on this site simply drew up your battle lines, closed your minds, and keep repasting the same angry bile rhetoric. I basically asked you to give me something other than bile, something documentary I might find compelling, and to see if you could build the bile up within me to join you. And basically most of the responses I got was why bother? Why bother? Then why do you even come to a debate website?

DylanH99(4) Disputed
1 point

Actually, I do not support either candidate. I think they both are not fit to run our country, and even though I do believe that the democratic ideals appeal to me more than republican ideals, I do not think it is fair for you to have others cherry pick the reasons why you should hate someone. You should research them yourself, and make your own ideas.

Am not American not to talk of average ........

So i will just say picture her as the girl who embarrased you cos you liked her and she did not like you back, back in college.Love turned Rage.

Don't mind me just being silly.

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Just to be clear, I'm not against voting for a Republican or a conservative. It depends on who they are and what they stand for. Although I'm not swayed by the Libertarian candidate or platform I generally am interested when more moderate and sensible people from that side of the political aisle talk about rebuilding the Republican Party.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/04/bill-weld-says-will-use-libertarian-vice-presidential-platform-focus-fire-donald-trump/NQcxRVjXXeIY2mfhVXvyKP/story.html?s campaign=bdc:globewell:trending&s;campaign=bdc:globewell:trending

If you can teach me to hate Clinton I indeed at some point in the future might be able to vote for your side again. But in the meantime you've got a really tough time convincing me when the majority of the anti Clinton rhetoric borders on hysteria and your own champion in Trump is equal or worse in the reasons one might hate him.