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The Bible is full of mistakes.

The bible (so called word of god) is full of mistakes scientifically,mathemateially etc.

PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

 

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

 

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

 

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

 

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

 

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

 

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

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Side Score: 25

Yes, the bible contain some mistakes here and there. I would expect so from a book written by multiple authors.

Side: yes
Name(18) Disputed
1 point

I have yet to find any mistakes among the various authors. Each text is inspired by God, and so is of the same viewpoint.

Side: no

We are talking about a book, a holy book for that matter, that has been written by multiple authors and has been translated quite a few times. I sort of expect a few minor errors here and there.

Side: no

You should have invited Srom and FromWithin to this debate. Hopefully they will come, could be interesting.

Side: yes

I find that whenever something like this comes up, Christians immediately jump to the argument of "You're all interpreting it wrong! Praise Jesus!" or some other delusional BS. Still, it is interesting...

Side: yes
1 point

And then there is always the uncanny change in attitude that the rather mean Christians undergo whenever they enter a debate about god/religion/Jesus, it's as if a switch goes off that turns them into an eerie stepford version of themselves.

Side: yes
1 point

The Bible is full of mistakes, but it is only a problem for a Christian if he/she thinks the bible is the literal word of God. Jesus didn't believe this notion, as he made known to his disciples that there were many laws added into the old testament. Many Christians don't believe the Bible is given that sort of inerrancy or status, so there are different perspectives to look into.

New Testament Scholar Marcus Borg
Side: yes
GenericName(3429) Clarified
2 points

That is indeed a more interesting take on the bible, but if you look at it that way, how can you know which parts of it are and aren't to be taken literally? Doesn't it come down to individual perspective more than divine truth at that point?

Side: yes
14giraffes(87) Clarified
1 point

None of it has to be taken literally. A mythology or parable can be just as true, especially when talking about theology. Actually, since we all agree that the divine is transcendent, you would probably expect it to appear in myth because the function of myth is to go beyond what words can describe. Our scientific age devalues the imagination too much! "It is myth" too oft means "it is nothing." Individual perspective is also important. Bible is not for everyone, i admit. There are different kinds of people: Some people need hard concrete evidence for everything, other people are more interested in the heart, want a sense of purpose in their lives, etc,…

Side: yes
Real-Hebrew(19) Disputed
1 point

Of course Esau would say such a thing. The Bible says that people, Esau especially would begin to talk against the Bible when the End Time arrives. This is how we know the End Times are here. Issues against the Bible are beginning to rise, just like the real Jews are beginning to rise up.

Side: no
14giraffes(87) Disputed
1 point

Where did this idea originate in modern history? What's the name of the reformer?

Side: yes
1 point

Except there have been groups that have always spoken against the bible, so are you saying the "end times" span the period from the conception of christianity to modern times?

Side: yes
1 point

I have read the bible a lot of time and a lot of its versions and one place or the other I would stumble across a mistake. For example = One version of the bible says "A" in the Genesis and "B" in Exodus. Thus I don't believe this to be the words of God.

Side: yes
sweetandsour(7) Disputed
1 point

May I say? If you don't believe the Bible, then what DO you believe?

Side: no
Name(18) Disputed
1 point

I have read much of the Bible as well and have yet to find any discrepancies, also the differences in the various versions are a result of translational issues between Greek or Hebrew and English.

Side: no
1 point

Of course it is. It has many contradicting statements. But besides that, who honestly has ever suggested praying for Satan, the one sinner that needed it the most? No one, that in itself is a huge mistake

Side: yes
Name(18) Disputed
1 point

Satan is not prayed for as it is impossible for him to repent. The vary embodiment of evil cannot resent its own evil.

Side: no
1 point

The Bible is a book of contradictions. And many of the things found in the Bible have later proven to be scientifically false. For example, the world isn't flat, and bats aren't a type of bird. There is also no evidence to support that a Great Flood ever really occurred. And the world indeed is not 6000 years old. But Christians are still desperate to believe and can't let go of the idea they cling onto so tightly so they go back and excuse them as ''metaphors''. Oh, the whole beating your slaves and selling them part? Yeah, totally a metaphor!

Side: yes
Name(18) Disputed
1 point

Just as a counterpoint; the Bible hints at a round Earth, not a flat one, bats being called birds is a classification as a flying creature used before the study of their DNA, the flood has been verified by soil samples, and the Bible does not say the Earth is 6000 years old. Also, it talks about wind and ocean currents, dinosaurs, the void of space, etc. before their study.

Side: no

The Bible is prone to human error. There are many mistakes due to translation.

Side: yes

Since the Bible was written by man, it is prone to error.

Side: yes
0 points

yes the bible has so many contradictions

1. God is satisfied with his works

Gen 1:31

God is dissatisfied with his works.

Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples

2 Chron 7:12,16

God dwells not in temples

Acts 7:48

3. God dwells in light

Tim 6:16

God dwells in darkness

1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

4. God is seen and heard

Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/

Ex 24:9-11

God is invisible and cannot be heard

John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

5. God is tired and rests

Ex 31:17

God is never tired and never rests

Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things

Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21

God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all

things

Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

7. God knows the hearts of men

Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3

God tries men to find out what is in their heart

Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12

8. God is all powerful

Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26

God is not all powerful

Judg 1:19

9. God is unchangeable

James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19

God is changeable

Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/

Ex 33:1,3,17,14

10. God is just and impartial

Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25

God is unjust and partial

Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

i could go on

Side: yes
Real-Hebrew(19) Disputed
1 point

Where are the precepts to your claims? Without precepts your claims are false. This is the reason why I say no one knows the Bible but the real Israelites.

Side: no
1 point

For all the people that say that the bible is full of mistakes, I will say that this. The bible is from long before you were born so then the language is obviously full of grammar mistakes. Also it is translated and so then the bible is not perfectly resembling the original. And for the people who said that the bible is full of mistakes, try saying that to the almost 6.9 billion people in the world. And then after saying that, come back again.

Side: no
0 points

I am by no means an expert on the Bible. I have read it all the way through though. The one part I want to address is that of God being both mean spirited and revengeful plus all loving. This is not a mistake or a contradiction.

In the Old Testament, Gods chosen people were the Jews, the Israelite's. He protected them from their enemies by bringing down His wraith to defend them. All through the Old Testament this happened. Numerous times He defended his people through bloodshed. When the Jews turned their back on God He allowed them to go into slavery. When they cried out for His help again, He once again came to rescue them. This plays out over and over through out the entire Old Testament.

Here is the part that Bible haters don't understand. Look at it through the eyes of being a parent. A parent can be all loving yet do whatever is possible, including bloodshed to save his/her children from evil. If you had a child that was being harmed and you did whatever was necessary to stop it, that does NOT keep you from being all loving. This is how you have to look at God in the Old Testament. He was protecting His people, the chosen ones.

Even after the Jews were driven from their homeland, God did not turn His back on them. He promised to still be His people and bring them back to Israel shortly before Jesus second coming.

God, through Jesus, will be an all loving God til the world turns so evil and wicked that He comes back again to judge. The New Testament differs from the Old Testament in that Jesus preaches love and forgiveness.

Side: no
1 point

"In the Old Testament, Gods chosen people were the Jews, the Israelite's. He protected them from their enemies by bringing down His wraith to defend them. All through the Old Testament this happened. Numerous times He defended his people through bloodshed. When the Jews turned their back on God He allowed them to go into slavery. When they cried out for His help again, He once again came to rescue them. This plays out over and over through out the entire Old Testament."

But just think about that. He created all of humanity, then chose a small group of people and decided they were worth more than the rest, and brought holy vengeance down upon others. How messed up is that? If God made all of humanity, that means ALL people are his children, except for god (the parent) chose one child (the Jews) and decided to punish his other children to elevate that favorite child.

And Jesus preaches love, forgiveness, and fiery damnation if one does not worship him.

Side: yes
zico20(345) Disputed
1 point

Like I said, I am not expert on the Bible, so from here on out is just purely a logical speculation. Everyone are His people, that is true. However, God knowing everything would have known that He was bringing his only son down to spread His word and convert people to what would become Christianity. Therefore, He had to have believers in Him to do this. If all of His believers were slaughtered, then there would be no one left to spread the word. He would have had to start a new covenant.

We know that other people at that time either didn't believe in God or had multiple gods. Maybe they rejected God. God loves everyone, but the Jews wound up being the group to spread His word. Also, He would NOT have punished the other people had they not have attacked and murdered the chosen Jews. They brought this on themselves. He punished the evil and the wicked.

Just like a parent who loves everyone in their neighborhood but who must defend his/her own vehemently from any potential atrocity from the neighborhood. God saved his chosen people from extinction. That is a loving God.

And how do you know God didn't enter into a covenant with every other group of people first and they chose to reject God. Had you ever thought of that. Maybe He gave them a chance also. I don't know, believe in God and ask him one day when you get to Heaven.

What else was Jesus going to say. Christianity had not arisen yet. "You don't have to believe in ME to get to Heaven, think whatever you like." How stupid does that sound? The idea was to spread the word of God and Jesus did that remarkably well considering how many people believe in the God of Abraham.

This is my last post on this subject. Srom is much better at defending the Bible than I am. BTW, where are you? This is your territory, not mine.

My belief in a personal God is much more steeped in science and personal events that made me an undeniable true believer. If you are an atheist I am sure God will show his presence to you in one way or the other. Or maybe He already has and you rejected your belief in Him for one reason or another. Only you know for sure.

God Bless!

Side: no
0 points

No it is not. What people have to understand is that the Bible was not indicated for everyone. The Bible is mainly for the Jews, the real Jews.

Side: no
2 points

No, the Old Testament was meant for the tribe of Israel. The New Testament was not.

Side: yes
Real-Hebrew(19) Disputed
1 point

Both old and new covenants are still meant for Israel. That is why in Matthew 15:24 the Messiah Himself says "I am not sent, but unto the lost sheepe of the house of Israel." Gentiles are mentioned though because our Father has offered salvation for those Gentiles. But they have to go through a process. The only people on planet earth that truly understand the Bible, are the real Jews. No one else understands the Bible because they really think that our Father is a real loving Higher Power, and that is a complete lie.

Side: no
Name(18) Disputed
1 point

Both Testaments are meant for all people, Jew and Gentile, as both groups are affected by both texts as was willed from the start.

Side: no