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The Biblical Adam and Eve story is told as an allegory

This is not a debate about an "original sin", but about the story being told as an allegory to make a deep concept simpler to grasp.

"Adam" is literally the Hebrew word for "mankind".


Satan is referred to In Revelation as a dragon (meaning evil and powerful) and a serpent (sneaky, crafty, evil, etc), and as a "devil".


Judas Iscariot was referred to as a "devil" by Christ as well.


The story tells us about trees which Jesus referenced himself, each one of us, and Satan as allegorical trees.

These "trees" have fruit. Jesus referenced "fruit" as something that comes from the tree that shows whether the tree is "good" or "bad".

In Matthew 13:10 the disciples ask Jesus why he speaks in parables -
"The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?"


In Matthew 13:11 Jesus tells them why he uses parables-
"He replied, "Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them."


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-Here Christ talks about a "tree of life" that you can eat from-

"Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God." Revelation 2:7

-Here Christ compares his body to bread and has them eat, and they aren't literally eating him-

And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." (Luke 22:19)

-Here Christ compares people to trees and talks about their "fruit"-

Allegory

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Literal Talking serpent

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By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Matthew 7:16"

"No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. (Luke 6:43)

"Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers." (Luke 6:44)

-As compared to the "trees" in the "garden" in the Adam and Eve story-

"The LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground--trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil." (Genesis 2:9)

-So now we see the "tree of life", which is Christ, in the "garden" in the Adam and Eve story of Genesis.

-So... the tree of life is Christ, the fruit is not actual food but spiritual, and eating is not literal but spiritual.

Side: Allegory
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The only possible way I can swallow the story of Adam and Eve is if it's an allegory.

That's not to say I'm endorsing anything religious, only that the sole interpretation I might find convincing would be that it's an allegory.

Side: Allegory
2 points

Old Testament is very old. During those times, no one in the west and nearby used allegories. People were simple and philosophy, logic and science were nonexistent in their reach.

Side: Literal Talking serpent
1 point

They weren't using allegoris in the past? Off ya go for the most horrible attempt at a rebuttle I have ever seen.

Side: Allegory
Antrim(1287) Banned
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Let's examine what Christians believe.

God made earth in 6 days, has a rest on the 7th and then continued zooming around the cosmos.

At some point he decided to create a pleasant garden on planet earth.

Then Adam appeared in this paradise when he was around the age of 40.

He didn't question or wonder from where he came nor how the hell he got there.

No, he just wandered around in a state of quiet contentment in the tranquility of the Garden of Eden.

Noticing Adam's contented state God decided to create a woman companion, Eve.!!!!!!

So the master of the universe sneaked down from the heavens in the dead of night and 'STOLE' one of Adam's ribs from which he made Eve.

Adam didn't query Eve's sudden appearance nor did either of them seem to notice the difference in their anatomy.

Then God visited Eve and told her she could eat from any fruit in the garden except the apple tree.

I mean was/is God completely stupid?, telling a female what she cannot eat and then pointing the source of the forbidden fruit?

God had no sooner left the garden when a snake appeared.

This frightening reptile started to talk to Eve.

Now, I don't know about you, but if I see a snake I back off.

If it starts talking to me I shit myself and take off like a greyhound out of the traps.

But not our intrepid Eve, who listens and yields to the serpent's enticing suggestion that she gobbles a few apples, golden delicious?

After her apple binge Eve becomes ashamed of certain parts of her body, i.e, her tits and mantovani = fanny.

Why those parts?

Why not her nose and ears?

Anyway, Adam and Eve then committed the deadly sin of screwing each other stupid and starting a family which has developed into the whole miserable mess we're all in now.

Now, that is in the book upon which witnesses in a court of law swear;- ''TO TELL THE TRUTH THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

Roars of sidesplitting hysterical laughter from the back stalls.

Side: Literal Talking serpent
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God made earth in 6 days, has a rest on the 7th and then continued zooming around the cosmos.

At some point he decided to create a pleasant garden on planet earth

I don't believe any of that, nor does any Christian I know. Off ya go for the second worst argument in bronto history.

Side: Allegory
1 point

Then Adam appeared in this paradise when he was around the age of 40.

He didn't question or wonder from where he came nor how the hell he got there.

No, he just wandered around in a state of quiet contentment in the tranquility of the Garden of Eden

This is nowhere in the Bible. I'll give you minus points for a bad attempt though.

Side: Allegory
1 point

So the master of the universe sneaked down from the heavens in the dead of night and 'STOLE' one of Adam's ribs from which he made Eve.

Adam didn't query Eve's sudden appearance nor did either of them seem to notice the difference in their anatomy

So... there's the Bible, and you refuse to read it, or even rebuttle my points out of typical Atheist fear...

Side: Allegory
1 point

Then God visited Eve and told her she could eat from any fruit in the garden except the apple tree.

I mean was/is God completely stupid?, telling a female what she cannot eat and then pointing the source of the forbidden fruit?

There is no "apple" in the story. Reading is your friend.

Side: Allegory
1 point

Now, I don't know about you, but if I see a snake I back off

There is no "snake" in the story. Reading is still your friend. And you didn't rebuttle any of my points out of fear.

Side: Allegory
1 point

Now, I don't know about you, but if I see a snake I back off.

If it starts talking to me I shit myself and take off like a greyhound out of the traps.

But not our intrepid Eve, who listens and yields to the serpent's enticing suggestion that she gobbles a few apples, golden delicious

No apples. No snake. Do you even know the story? Nope. You're a clown.

Side: Allegory
1 point

After her apple binge Eve becomes ashamed of certain parts of her body, i.e, her tits and mantovani = fanny.

Why those parts?

Why not her nose and ears

Not in the story and still no apple. So you are 0 for 12 now.

Side: Allegory
1 point

Anyway, Adam and Eve then committed the deadly sin of screwing each other stupid and starting a family which has developed into the whole miserable mess we're all in now

0 for 13. So you don't know the story. We have established that.

Side: Allegory
1 point

Now, that is in the book upon which witnesses in a court of law swear;- ''TO TELL THE TRUTH THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH

So in all of that your boy addressed none of my points and proved he didn't know the story. Are you watching Atheists? This is the foundation Atheism is founded on.

Side: Allegory
1 point

Roars of sidesplitting hysterical laughter from the back stalls

You literally believe a magical nothing manifested reality from its magical nothingness. Are you an illiterate, ingorant child? Bwahahahahahaha! You're a little clown.

Side: Allegory