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The Big Problem with Religion is.....

So..yeah...here's the deal, Camille.....

At one time...oh, I dunno, up till a couple decades ago. religious freedom and religious rights were all about, well, just that: the believers simply wishing to have the right to practice their religion as they see fit. Without any fear or oppression.

 But nowadays, they have really over-played their collective hand. Far from simply wanting equality and freedom, they demand that us atheists believe liie they do. And that we also curtail and amend our science and knowledge so as to fit with their beliefs. Which, at the end of the day, usually have no gorunding in provable reality. And are simply spawned from their ancient collection of myths and legends they call their bible.

They mock science and knowledge, and yet demand we respect their own ideas; even when they are demonstrably false. Yet, they clearly don't feel a need to respect rationality.

The zealots cry foul when we question the unproven and scientifically impossible miracles in their Bible, yet they somehow have the arrogance to claim that tens of thousands of professional scientists--who have devoted most of their lives to their calling--are wrong and just plain ignorant when they believe in things like Evolution.

Evolution, BTW, being a "theory" only in the Pythagorean sense: meaning it is a general rule that applies to numerous real world cases. It is NOT a "theory" in the sense it's never been proved. Rather, it gets proved ALL THE TIME.

The believers cannot continue to have it both ways. They need to use the same sort of critical analysis and questioning of their own beliefs and holy books as they do when they attempt to denigrate our science. Worse, it has long been my personal experience that most anti-Evolutionists simply do not understand even the basic tenets of the Theory they so zealously rail against.

Thanks for your time.

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Democrats live in a confused state when it comes to religion. They love Muslims and see them as no threat but when it comes to Christians now that is different. Democrats blindly follow the narrative spoon fed to them by the government they adore.

Codsworth987(8) Disputed
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Good job you changed an argument about religion into a political one how does that make you feel?

DBCooper(2194) Disputed
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Democrats love Muslims but Muslims don't hold the same views of homosexuals as Democrats do. So what is it the Democrats see in the Religion of Islam ?

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The orthodox nature of the people in religion is the biggest problem.Although,it is good but they are doing it all wrong.they don't know what is the actual meaning of it and are doing what they want from humans.we creatures should believe in 'vasudev kutumbkam' which means 'all the lives on this earth is like a family'.According to this no religion is bigger than one special,humanity.However,a community can decide to make their own rules in order to follow their specific religion but they should virtue one religion i.e.humanity.They can not force anyone to take his/her religion from their own.

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I am supporting you tho I am unsure if your argument agrees with me. If people used Christianity like it is ment to be then there would be no violence, or hate. Religion is not the problem it is specific peoples actions are. These "religious" people can do whatever they want and use the guise of religion to cover it. Makeing the original goal to help people loose power.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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They don't loose power, they lose it, but good comment anyways. The problem is the evil in the hearts of people. Atheistic communism and evolutionists such as the Japs and Germans who both thought they were the superior evolving race is the number one killer through wars and mass murders against their own people. Religious war in the name of God is number two. Of course atheists and evolutionist like to say Hitler was a Christian but that is silly.....Hitler was into the occult, in bed with the Pope, a homosexual, and a firm believer in evolution in which he thought to lead the evolution of mankind into a super race of people. The Japs also believed in the evolutionary idea that they were the superior evolving race and they look at others as animals to be subdued.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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The supporters of the OP here are blowing hot air smoke screens. Their real problem is that they are guilty of breaking the law of God and they know Biblical faith is the only faith which teaches eternal damnation of sinners in fire. For that reason they do all they can to trash Christians, trash the Bible, and trash God who would give them eternal life through his Son but they prefer the pleasures they get from breaking God's law and they love their evil more than their own lives. Choosing death over life, trying to deny God they deny themselves of God's goodness and end up in the fire of Hell.....if they won't repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ before their dying is finalized at the end of their time here...then they will be dying forever in Hell. That is what their "Big Problem" is. They simply hate the truth.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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You seem to be very orthodox in your opinions, like you have some kind of guidelines written in stone which you follow, and by which you judge others and determine that you are better than God.

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I don't know what year you are living in, but I've never seen any religious people force you to believe in anything (other than the islamic extremists).

Nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to eat their words. If anything, the advertisement world is MUCH MUCH WORSE at forcing everyone to believe in what they want you to believe. You are constantly bombarded with ads, tv commercials, and their propaganda than any religious group. Tell me the last time you browsed the internet without being forced to watch ads. It's impossible.

I think your title should be, "The Big Problem with Advertisements and Consumerism"...that's the world's biggest regime and dictatorship right there.

SlapShot(2608) Disputed
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Nobody putting a gun to our heads?

What the fuck year are you living in?

Ever heard of ISIS? Or the radical Islamists?

The Mujaheddin?

What do you thing they do do those they call infidels?

What do they want done to Israel?

To us?

We have been called "the Great Satan" by them.

They want you dead, pal.

History is rife with religious wars. Millions have been killed for simply worshiping the wrong gods. In Islam, they freaking Sunnis and the Shias kill each other for simply having different ideas on whom should govern. In the SAME religion of Islam!

You need to read a newspaper once in awhile.

No question about it: the world would be a far more peacful place, and far less would have been killed if it not were for religion.

Codsworth987(8) Disputed
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He specifically said except for Islamic extremists. You are being xenophobic and negating your own argument by putting an entire group of people into one categories as murderers.

sylynn(626) Disputed
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but I've never seen any religious people force you to believe in anything (other than the islamic extremists)

So you've never seen it happen except when it does. Not much of an argument you have there.

As far as advertisements, there's a big difference. I will agree ads on the internet are getting insane, but when you consider the cord cutters out there, it makes sense for companies to find other means of advertising their products. To compare them to the religious right however, is crazy. Yes, commercials are designed to get people to believe the product, but no one, including the companies themselves will look down on you for doing your own research. These companies also realize no one will buy the product without some type of evidence that the product does what they claim it to do. Religion wants you to believe in their product without any evidence their product works, much less even exists; and if you decide not to buy it you are condemned to hell.

Codsworth987(8) Disputed
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Some religious people try and force you to believe what they want. Its no different then what secular people try and do with topics such as gay marriage ( I have no problem with). In reality everybody is trying to get their point across, its just some people are far to direct and pushy.

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At one time...oh, I dunno, up till a couple decades ago. religious freedom and religious rights were all about, well, just that: the believers simply wishing to have the right to practice their religion as they see fit. Without any fear or oppressio

This statement is an example of not understanding American Rights and Freedoms.

It's the age of the rude! No boundaries by the virus of man spreading into their neighbors yards, with total srlf centered rights that force no fences, no boundaries. Where rights of others are seen as a block from the spread of selfish decay!

Where rights of some have come to be definef as a total disregard and loss of rights and freedoms of others. As in what occurred in slave trading. It's just a turning of it into a self justified direction. Delusions of justification, as man plummets further into their depravity.

Violence, all day, every day!

Society looks like Gotham, even penguin running for office, and the power of Mooney rioting in purpose of group takeover. It's society, with some TV flair, but the picture is about right.

You can call it progress of mankind.

But I'll call it straight, it's self interest and self expansion to self annhilation inclusive of all, over progress resulting in the raising of all, and fairness to all, from the popularized inspired militant protestor, to the knights, and bishops, and castles, and queens, and kings on the backs of dispensable pawns.

This same callousness is what defines people today Profit in modern day is just squeezed out in a deceptive version of passion for rights of others. Good men stood without a self seeking purpose, you have groups screaming for their own rights, no regard for trampling others.

Where are the men standing for those who can't exalt them in their causes?

I know of one, those who risk to save an unborn face. Where empty men benefit on the back of slaved women, given rations at best for support of the heavy heads, at the cost of the voiceless.

Even the suffering baby murdered barbaricly in billions of abortions and made to suffer through botched abortions.

The pain of nerve endings of a human carried on the dangerous slave ships of their mother's womb.

And they are commodities that benefit from casualty and demoralization of dignity of human life.

Nine months is to much to ask to carry someone. Selfishness, prevent pregnancy then. Nine months Is too much of a price to pay of a woman's precious time.

The inconvenience of the lives of others is a burden, even the baby is a target while in the safe place of a mother uterus.

Story, There were two women who fought custody of a baby in Solomons day. The lieing woman was fine with cutting the baby in half! Sounds like women today. The real mother would rather sacrafice her joy, to give her child life, at any cost. She would rather give her child to another to raise and save him, than murder him for her own self centered life , and her own self importance.

I think this story is a prophetic word about abortions.

A woman and a people who would cut an infant in half for their own convenience. Horrible! And then there are mothers of compassion who values the life of thier babies.

SlapShot(2608) Clarified
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I was hoping you would weigh in between glasses of vino.

Speaking of "violence, violence, violence..."

Take a gander at this list. I dare you. Spend five minutes to read it...............

http://addictivelists.com/10-biggest-religious-wars-ever-fought/

KNHav(1957) Clarified
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If you want to bring up slaves in the law, in the Bible. First you don't know or understand the law, or know why the law.

The law answers and condemns man. It cannot save man, it's a tutor leading to Jesus. You can't keep it! It is there to condemn you. It has already judged you a law breaker.

The law addresses a look through time, that says if this unfair, this is wrong, or do this, this is right, like if you treat "a slave" as an honorable employee, and house them or pay them fairly, and care for them, you are justified.

But if you are cruel and inhumane, and don't give a voice defending the oppressed with compassion, and fight for the man enslaved, then the law condemns you. But regardless, live by the law break one, the whole law condemns you. Because you were born under its judgement.

Also Satan's condemnation is on the books. He mistreats the slaves - who is man, man is enslaved. And the law condemns him.

So you don't understand it, so your quotes are meaningless in its regard because of lack of knowledge and understanding.

It's the opposite, God says to defend those who are weak, who can't help themselves.

So don't try to botch the Bible with a total misinterpretation spun in a mind that is clueless on the content.

Man is violent from Cain, every war taken up by God and His people were against the violence of man. Unlike Muslims whose war is against intolerance of moral choices and in promotion of religion.

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What you don't understand is the purpose, as well as the entirety.

Jesus said, if you live by the law the whole law will judges you.

So if your goodness is your merit, your highest goodness has already been judged, and sentence is death. The decree is already put a measure, only One Man fulfilled. And He fullfilled it in the Spirit of the law, love, against love, God's love, there is no law. God's love is Love God, ... love Neighbor. In this all the law is fulfilled.

We were already born under its judgement, and because of judgement our nature is held captive under the serpent, as the prison guard for judgement. Immorality is already a judged action. Death is already it's penalty.

God "wrote the law to lead us to Jesus Christ, who ransomed us and paid life for life, His blood for cleansing, and His Spirit for new life as Born again, and as teacher and helper to empowered us through the gift of His Holy Spirit, and then also feet washing, for when we get our feet dirty! "

The law is a tutor to His grace, and to know we are judged in our own strength.

So, how does it work, and what does it mean?

Satan is known as "the accuser" you can say Satan is our prosecutor, and our case is already a slam dunk open and shut case.

The law Jesus fulfilled, cleaning all things that are outside the body and enter in, because His righteousness, His ways He writes on hearts that are His, and with His Spirit within us, the Spirit of the law within us is strengthened against the judgement of the law that is letter of law without the Spirit of the law.

The law is fullfilled by love God with heart, soul and mind, and strength! And love Neighbor as yourself. If you love God with all, as it says then you will seek things of the Spirit, not things of the flesh.

Jesus said whoever wants to follow me, pick up your cross ... the way is only through the cross, and deeds of the flesh must die on the cross, and His Spirit must raise us up out of the flesh, and the Spirit continues in a new birth new creation process against the enslavement of sin and flesh nature.

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1 Corinthians 6

14 Now God has not only raised the Lord, but will also raise us up through His power.

15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? May it never be!

16 Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her? For He says, “The two shall become one flesh.”

17 But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 18 Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body.

19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?

20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

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The "Knowledge of good and evil," is where both exist and are at war in us because of flesh nature. Jesus walked in our flesh for our benefit, and Salvation.

He sends the Holy Spirit to fullfill the Spirit of the law in us, and transfer us in the Spirit from under the law to a place of Eden. Where all the trees we eat should be life giving trees. The equal verse would be -

Genesis 3

6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.

[ Curse of fall!! ]

And then the equal comparison

1 John 2

15 Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.

17 The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever.

[ Curse reverse alert!! ]

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And not of the world, which produces every law broken within the flesh, that is weak without will, and the law of condemnation runs it's course like a disease ending in death, as like by stoning.

Speaking of stoning, Jesus says He is a stone of offense. Jesus says if the stone falls on you, it will crush you, if you are crushed a pillar of dust is all you will be, but if you fall on the stone, then you will be broken, as He was broken. And you will be like incense, a sweet aroma to God.

All things need to be cleansed, and God through instruction of the law is preparing His people in every generation to be one people, one body, one bride, one church, one nature, one image.

And even Jesus and Paul and other decipher continued removing immorality from His elect.

Paul says remove the immoral from you, one bad fruit will spoil the bunch. As people of God we are to "be our brothers keeper" which good brother among us would let our brother fall into destructive lifestyles without helping him stand up and walk toward a life that will be good for him?

Gods word is multidimensional, a double edged sword.

Stoning and death sentences in the law are both a decree of judgement and instructional.

Choose life and fall on the stone, be broken so your Spirit is free in Him, and His Spirit will lead you to live according to the Spirit. But if you are stoned by the law, the law delivers the sentencing of the judgement that was already decreed.

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Galatians 5 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

2 Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.

3 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.

4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness.

6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

7 You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?

8 This persuasion did not come from Him who calls you.

9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough.

10 I have confidence in you in the Lord that you will adopt no other view; but the one who is disturbing you will bear his judgment, whoever he is.

11 But I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted? Then the stumbling block of the cross has been abolished.

12 I wish that those who are troubling you would even mutilate themselves.

13 For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

15 But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.

16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.

17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.

18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,

20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,

21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

26 Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Are you legitimately retarded? Like do you really have mental problems? I won't hold it against you, I just won't be as harsh if you are. It would explain so much though.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Why would you understand it? Your generation will be our finality.

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Catholicism and Atheism and Conspiracies, Greed, Power, Illuminatie, Jesuits, and Luciferianism and Islam etc ... were in the background of many wars. Many blame religion, the Bible says the kingdom of Heaven is taken by force , by violence of evil men.

So duh! History proves what the Bible says.

The evil of man seem to go around the Bible like the earth goes around the sun. The Bible, Jews, and true Christianity has been the focus of the whole world. Look at Israel!

If you read Revelations and other prophetic words concerning the church you would realize, the spirits in the workings of it all.

The Bible is clear about all the oppression a conspiracies and violence against the true church.

Millions of Christians were martyred. And the Catholic Church Islam and Atheism etc... have been armies of Satan, against the Word and God's people, Israel and Christians, the sheep, not the goats.

Prophesy tells of much of it in plain text, and tells even more of it in Bible coding. Jesus was clear, history is clear, and the Bible is clear.

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Although you and I don't always say things the same way or with the same voracity I agree with you.

I believe in freedom of religion, and freedom of speech, and other constitutional civil rights. Implicit in that is no right reigns supreme above all the others, which is why I always speak out when people cite religion as their basis for legislation and policies. Whether it's gay marriage, science curriculums, or abortion, I don't mind if someone religious states their case for opposition, but I definitely mind and speak out when they want to assert their religion for the reason an atheist or Muslim or Hindu etc can or cannot say or do something.

The big problem with religion is the people who want to make it bigger than everyone and everything else. If you live in the USA or a comparable country with freedom of religion, then you need to respect and tolerate the beliefs and practices of people who are not like you. And that includes not standing in the way of science.

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I can see where you are coming from but my issue with this is the generalization. People should be free to practice what they wish so long as no harm is done. It's a dream I'm sure, humanity has never shown the greatest face when it comes to differences in others.

Not all religious mock science and knowledge, just the loud extremists and the loud ignorant. And it's that extremism (and that ignorance) that is found in every sect, including Atheism, Muslim, Buddhism. I believe in a God, but I also believe in science, the big bang, evolution.... And I am in no way the only one. We just don't get noticed as much because we aren't the loud mouthed zealots (again those can be found in any belief) sqwaking up a storm whenever someone disagrees with us. That doesn't mean I won't get passionate about something (I'm not a saint) but I respect people's opinions even if I don't necessarily agree with them.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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You're a sanctimonious pomp acting like you are better than everybody who disagrees with you....and of course you will make this accusation against me even though I repeatedly state I know nobody who is a worst sinner than me because I know myself better than I know others and I know I deserve to burn in Hell for being a sinner.

It's amazing that you sound serious with this stuff. You really are Hell bent on proving you get out of suffering in death without punishement for your sin, aren't you? If you want to believe life emerged out of non-life and consciousness arose from mindless matter, go ahead and believe it, and if you want to make a career by begging the question to bend "science" in support of your beliefs, go ahead...and I have to say your teachers are very good at manipulating you to follow their instructions. But how can you expect your "science" to not be mocked when you believe such nonsense? It's your beliefs which are a mockery, laughable. There is no dispute of observable science. You place your beliefs above true science and then claim everything in nature will prove your beliefs and all data observed must conform to your beliefs and other possibilities cannot be considered. That's backwards logic, a logical fallacy called "begging the question". You start with life emerging out of non-life and intelligence rising from mindless matter, you insist your belief must be true and therefore everything you observe in science must be interpreted to fit your belief. That's backwards, it's not true science. True science investigates nature. You have reached a conclusion prior to investigation so you must bend interpretation of data to fit your preconceived notions.

Of course you will deny all of this up and down because you cannot deal with the idea of being held accountable by God in judgement for your personal history.

Mint_tea(4647) Disputed
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How interesting, what's with the personal attacks? The only reason why I could see such a......."passionate" response from you is maybe you thought- when I was talking about extremists or the loudly ignorant, or zealots- that I was referring to you, or maybe you identified yourself as one.

Or, oh...did you think when I said "I'm not a saint" that I was actually talking about you?

Regardless, I don't need to make any accusations, the evidence is in the way we speak to one another.

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Wars taken up by God were for others, and to rid society of violent men in self satisfaction and self totalitarian exaltation. But not the wars of zealots, but actually murdered at the hands of zealots.

If you knew the difference between sheep and goats you'd discern the difference between motive of men.

Progress of man would be to have true tolerance. But true tolerance doesnt exist in the popular modern issues, Militant atheism, LGBT, Black Lives Matter, screaming for social justice that encourages more division.

The more divisive society grow, the more violent and militant run over people to exalt their rights and freedoms on others.

Men of God brought passion to causes like slavery, and worked tirelessly in passion for the cause, not for gain. Men who wept at atrocities because their hearts were called by the One who created all men equal. The value of man and life doesn't come from within man.

Each man is an animal, when is the last time you saw a pride of lions look out for lions in other prides?

Animal of man, Mr Evolution, is void of God's higher consciousness.

If slavery were being abolished in today's generation, which men among militant atheists would stop their own lives and betterment to dedicate to defend the one held in bonds of slavery.

What calls this social justice among you all on the Internet, especially the generation under 30? Is it passion of cause from within the hearts, or popularity of cause?

Popularity from supporters in pursuit of support of agendas trading steering of media, in trade for power and personal gain.

They feed each other.

Clinton's billions meant for charity to restore lives, 10% used for good, 90% to feed the "greedy good will" of charitable passion.

So where are the men who were full? And if all men were empty, as today, then how many would have risen at their own expense?

Once an issue is popular, it cost little to ride on the band wagon! But to birth it, what does that cost?

And what manner of man is willing to put up that initial costly investment.

So we have men of God's character and nature conceiving unfairness, and having passion for God and His compassion, moving against the evil of men's intolerant greedy sin cursed violent hearts, and then we have modern leaders who have passion for their pockets and power.

Many men, exceedongly prevalent in the hearts of most men who serve men, they are most important and willing to manipulate causes to be used as weapons, with no regard for the cause, or the bondage of men for which the cause is, and the passion for the oppressed men held under the cause.

Men who pioneered equality and fair treatment were men who were touched and influenced by the hand of God, moved by the Spirit of God. But entropy of society is be like entropy in evolution. The dominant gain for dominance, and the higher intelligence blessed to man, exploits on the backs of causes, without compassion on the individual man.

So you can scream with the mob, and feel self justified. But would the cause have been birthed in you, burning in your hearts? Those men moved by inalienable rights by God, conceived passion of cause by walking in another man's skin, and feeling their bonds each faceless oppressed man.

Goodness doesn't come from man. Man has violently oppressed for 6000 years. God kept order till now. He made right, wrongs men smeared the world with. He rose men of cause and purpose and passion, thoughts that went against popular.

Watch the movie "Amazing Grace"

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And if you want to bring up slaves in the law, in the Bible. First you don't know or understand the law, or know why the law.

The law answers and condemns man. It cannot save man, it's a tutor leading to Jesus. You can't keep it! It is there to condemn you. It has already judged you a law breaker.

The law addresses a look through time, that says if this unfair, this is wrong, or do this, this is right, like if you treat "a slave" as an honorable employee, and house them or pay them fairly, and care for them, you are justified.

But if you are cruel and inhumane, and don't give a voice defending the oppressed with compassion, and fight for the man enslaved, then the law condemns you. But regardless, live by the law break one, the whole law condemns you. Because you were born under its judgement.

Also Satan's condemnation is on the books. He mistreats the slaves - who is man, man is enslaved. And the law condemns him.

So you don't understand it, so your quotes are meaningless in its regard because of lack of knowledge and understanding.

It's the opposite, God says to defend those who are weak, who can't help themselves.

So don't try to botch the Bible with a total misinterpretation spun in a mind that is clueless on the content.

Man is violent from Cain, every war taken up by God and His people were against the violence of man. Unlike Muslims whose war is against intolerance of moral choices and in promotion of religion.

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Goodness doesn't come from man. Man has violently oppressed for 6000 years. God kept order till now. He made right, wrongs men smeared the world with. He rose men of cause and purpose and passion, thoughts that went against popular.

Watch the movie "Amazing Grace"

These men were pillars, each moved by God. Tell me one movement that was conceived in the heart of an atheist, that had zero strings of self benefit, or self exaltation. Men who took a stand for compassion of other men, before popular by the masses.

The men of seed, who birthed passion for causes of other men, did so at loss and sacrafice, opposite of gain and notoriety. They went in both eyes open knowing the cost, and went anyway. And not for benefit of a group, or party, or a select group.

As example, if Obama had a vindication for "his people" But these men that fought against slave trading did so in pain, with only hope of pain to victory for the man they fought for. That comes from God not man.

Where men asked what measure of man is a right over another in oppression, sacrafice of everything a cost counted and paid, the empty man is moved by popularity and inspired indignation used in the hands of crafty men for notariety and gain.

I can't see Hillary sacraficing her own money and power and political status for oppressed men in Haiti, actually ask the Haitians. They are on their 2nd devastation without much relief. But the goodwill of empty men make a showing, first lining their own coffins with the plushest velvet, and filling their own agendas which exalt themselves.

And the masses follow ... because they can't discern what is born out of compassion and humility, and what he is born out of self exaltation and self benefit.

I don't expect anyone here to know the difference. You all equalize what is not equal and compare what's not comparable. Empty arguments of perception without knowledge, and character.

The Golden Rule is this, walk in a man's shoes and treat him the way you would want to be treated.

That is religion to the void empty modern day man. Nothing within to birth passion for the things that make man different than animals and evolution to survival and dominance.

Men in God's image, who is willing to hurt and cry for the pains of other men, without "whats in it for me"

Not men in the image of the animals, whose animal instict is god, and to whom self related survival and benifit comes first.

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Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

How the fuck did God keep order if He let men violently oppress for 6000 years?

KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

Because He put a boundary on the sea and said here is your boundary. Because He put a boundary on darkness, and said where light ends, dark begins.

And His grace and compassion, His Word says He rained on the righteous and unrighteous. David says how long Lord will the wicked thrive?

What you don't understand is 6000 years is barely a notable fraction in light of eternity.

To you 6000 years is many lifetimes, to God is a breath!

KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

Because He put a boundary on the sea and said here is your boundary. Because He put a boundary on darkness, and said where light ends, dark begins.

And His grace and compassion, His Word says He rained on the righteous and unrighteous. David says how long Lord will the wicked thrive?

What you don't understand is 6000 years is barely a notable fraction in light of eternity.

To you 6000 years is many lifetimes, to God is just a breathe!

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

How do you keep your teeth in your mouth ?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
0 points

You're a fart mouth punk, Fartman. Blow it out the other end where your teeth won't get in the way.

1 point

Wisdom cries without; she utteres her voice in the streets:

She cries in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she utters her words, saying,

How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear comes;

When your fear comes as desolation, and your destruction comes as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish come upon you.

Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:

They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

But whoso hearkens unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

.............................................................With love from God.

1 point

It's amazing that you sound serious with this stuff. You really are Hell bent on proving you get out of suffering in death without punishement for your sin, aren't you? If you want to believe life emerged out of non-life and consciousness arose from mindless matter, go ahead and believe it, and if you want to make a career by begging the question to bend "science" in support of your beliefs, go ahead...and I have to say your teachers are very good at manipulating you to follow their instructions. But how can you expect your "science" to not be mocked when you believe such nonsense? It's your beliefs which are a mockery, laughable. There is no dispute of observable science. You place your beliefs above true science and then claim everything in nature will prove your beliefs and all data observed must conform to your beliefs and other possibilities cannot be considered. That's backwards logic, a logical fallacy called "begging the question". You start with life emerging out of non-life and intelligence rising from mindless matter, you insist your belief must be true and therefore everything you observe in science must be interpreted to fit your belief. That's backwards, it's not true science. True science investigates nature. You have reached a conclusion prior to investigation so you must bend interpretation of data to fit your preconceived notions.

Of course you will deny all of this up and down because you cannot deal with the idea of being held accountable by God in judgement for your personal history.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

You really are hell bent on proving you don't practice what you preach.

1 point

Religion is similar to capitalism. It can be great, as long as it is kept in check by its own leaders. What we have today is BOTH striving for unreasonable levels, and the leaders (many of them), wanting FULL CONTROL over the rules! Y'all must do what WE want ....control over the people ... and their money and their minds!

3 points

I agree with this: http://images.memes.com/meme/1001324

A person has every right to believe what they want, it's when they use that belief to oppress and persecute others that they are in the wrong.

1 point

That meme is why I would always outlaw circumcision of a minor.

1 point

People like you are what gives religion a problem at all. You don't allow people to have their own beliefs. Why should it matter even if we believe that the earth flat. Does it cause any harm on you? No. So why should it matter? Also, you can't base miracles on science. Miracles are made from the power of God not science.