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Yup, he certainly does! Seriously man, are you serious
Debate Score:89
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"The Devil wants you to be an atheist"

 

do you agree or disagree and why?

Yup, he certainly does!

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Seriously man, are you serious

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now. to say that the devil wants you to be an atheist, you must have some way of determining that the devil actually exists, and of determining his desires.

you have no way of determining or demonstrating the existence of the devil, satan or lucifer, and you have ignored that fact and gone on to state what the devil desires and your statement is based on a book of old writings indistinguishable from folklore and mythology.. hence there is no reason to take you seriously. because you haven't given any reason why anyone should hold this book or your naked claims, as truthful or authoritative? until you do, your arguments qualify only as special pleas and appeals to belief. both logically fallacious.

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2 points

Yep he does because he is trying to get as many believers away from Jesus Christ. Also the reason why there is so many religions is to confuse everybody from going to Christianity. Also the devil tempts people into doing things but he can only be at 1 place at 1 time.

Side: Yup, he certainly does!
Apollo(1606) Disputed
3 points

the reason why there is so many religions is to confuse everybody from going to Christianity.

Ok. Let me get this straight.

The Devil created religion to detract people from joining a religion that wouldn't exist for thousands of years?

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1 point

"the reason why there is so many religions is to confuse everybody from going to Christianity." all kinds of fallacy there.

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Srom(12201) Disputed
1 point

Well all the other religions are wrong and so the reason why there are so many religions is because the Devil doesn't want anyone to go to Christianity and go to other religions where the religion is wrong

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nahga(81) Disputed
1 point

so thats why everyone is born an atheist? then the devil must be more powerful than all powerful god, because atheism is the null hypothesis. the default position.

awaiting your reply, but think it through this time.

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Srom(12201) Disputed
1 point

so thats why everyone is born an atheist? then the devil must be more powerful than all powerful god, because atheism is the null hypothesis. the default position.

Not everyone as soon as they are born are a atheist. They have a choice to be an atheist or not because we have free will and choice to pick. Actually the devil is not that powerful. God could wipe him out right now but he is waiting for as many as his believers to follow him and the world to get corrupted and keep sinning until God will have enough of it and pour His wrath on the earth.

Side: Yup, he certainly does!
1 point

No get your point going to the right path man God is sovereign He lets people choose who they want to worship He doesn't make you do anything it is by your choice to follow Him when He is pulling at your heart.

Side: Yup, he certainly does!
Tiger9265(1) Clarified
1 point

Are you serious with this bullshit? I mean really, "Also the reason why there is so many religions is to confuse everybody from going to Christianity" Do you really think that you just so happened to get so goddamned lucky as to be born in to the ONLY TRUE RELIGION, AS THERE ARE FUCKING THOUSANDS. Do you really think you got that lucky?

Side: Yup, he certainly does!

technically, he wants you to deny very compelling evidence if it existed, denial out of self-pride is the actual sin because you would have known he existed.

Side: Yup, he certainly does!
Saurbaby(5579) Disputed
1 point

Basically what I got from this is, you might as well admit there's a God because it's the easy way.

I don't know if that's what you meant, because your words seem to be a little jumbled.

Side: Seriously man, are you serious
1 point

No, I said that he wants you to deny compelling proof which will lead you to not believing, I said deny, denial is one thing we both agree is stupid, he wants to do it out of self-pride and not wanting to believe you are a weakling compared to God.

Side: Seriously man, are you serious

of course he does. it amazes me how many people are so under the devils thumb and cant see it.

i mean people seem to just want to make it harder for christians, i mean the other day i heard that they were banning prayers at the begining of council meetings and thats such a shame, im not saying people should be forced to live my way of life and if people dont want to come to prayers thats fine by me. but why do people feel the active need to make it harder to pray with others. i mean from a christian perspective i can understand that they want to save people spirit into eternal life. but answer me this, why is it that many athiests feel the need to try to convert people to their faith??? i get so many people who unprovoced just start to argue about atheism. the funny thing is they cant explain why and i can. it isnt them who wantto convert me, but the devil. and they are so under his thumb and dont even know it

now im not saying every athiest is controled by the devil. but i would argue that the devil wants people to be athiest because it opens them up to more temptation.

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Tiger9265(1) Clarified
1 point

Are you serious, no atheist is trying to get you to stop believing we are just saying that religion and government need to be separate.

Side: Yup, he certainly does!
1 point

He also likes the colour purple, and fire.

The 'devil' is actually a mix of two gods- Herne and Hades, Just like the goddesses of life and earth were mixed to make the 'goddess of fertility'. It must be terrible having to share identities.

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3 points

The devil probably doesn't exist. Regardless, it's a silly premise anyway. Everyone is born an atheist, so we are all the whores of the devil then.

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nahga(81) Clarified
2 points

srom seems to have some trouble grasping that fact. but that doesn't matter. as he's so far failed to demonstrate that which the devil desires or that he exists to desire anything.

Side: Yup, he certainly does!
2 points

Logically, wouldn't Satan want you to be anything but Christian (Satan is only from Christianity, I think?). Doesn't mean the statement is wrong, just that it's not complete.

Side: Seriously man, are you serious
nahga(81) Clarified
1 point

Logically, would satan want anything if he doesn't exist?

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BenWalters(1513) Disputed
1 point

Well, it depends on how you use the world 'would'. I used it dependent on the condition that he did exist. But I personally don't believe in him, so of course you couldn't say he did or did not want a or b without using the premise that he does exist, it would be a pointless debate.

Side: Yup, he certainly does!
1 point

i know hes not exactlya religious figure but i love this c.s.louis quote

"the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didnt exist"

Side: Yup, he certainly does!

That is exactly what I was getting at. Also people can't prove to me that Satan doesn't exist.

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nahga(81) Disputed
1 point

no one claims, 'a nonexistent demon wants you to be a christian". because there is no reason to believe that a demon never proven to exist 'wants' anything.

there is nothing riding on proving satan doesnt exist. but a lot is riding on the belief that he does. billions of dollars are at stake, so is political power. there are those who benefit from your belief in satan. thats why fear is cultivated through religion. it increases tithes sevenfold.

Side: Yup, he certainly does!
2 points

Hypothetically here... If the devil is suppose to be the ultimate evil, wouldn't the Devil want you to be a theist for the devil? Atheists do not choose the Devil, they're on the neutral playing field here. But wouldn't it be more hurtful to God that not only are you not on his side, but you choose the ultimate evil over God?

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1 point

my post explains that.....................................................

Side: Yup, he certainly does!
riahlize(1573) Disputed
2 points

No it doesn't .

Side: Seriously man, are you serious
1 point

Well, I do not believe in the Devil. At all.

However, allow me to play....ahem....devil's advocate here.

The devil supposedly wants people to turn away from God. But he also has a reputation for being a sneaky trickster who uses deceit to get what he wants. It seems that he might be able to be a more effective devil if he could sew corruption within the ranks of Christianity. Contort its meanings in a way that would lead the Christians he had corrupted to do horrible things in the name of God or of their faith. Things like, say, launching the occasional crusade, burning a witches here and there, convincing people that it is rational to believe in witches.

And hey, it seems he would be a heck of a salesman. I wouldn't really be surprised if he could, say, write a book that supposedly portrays a history of God's actions and claims to explain what God wants and doesn't want; and then convince everybody that this book is in fact the word of God! Imagine all of the bigotry, misunderstanding, warfare and murder that would emerge if he did that....

Side: Seriously man, are you serious

Quickly you do realise that the devil is not asupernatural being but is sin right? Satan means adversary and so does not mean there is a red demon thing with hors and a spiky tail. Also in kings it says that God oppposed David in a battle but in the paralel account in chronicles says that Satan opposed David so yeah God cannot turn into an evil incarnated thing...

Side: Seriously man, are you serious
1 point

an atheist is believing in neither, if without believing in GOD there's no DEVIL, and without believing in the DEVIL there's no GOD.

Side: Seriously man, are you serious

First off, if your an atheist than you dont believe in anything, and wouldnt satan want you to be satanic rather than sticking to your personal set of morals? The answer is yes for all those ignorant people.

Side: Seriously man, are you serious
1 point

i think yes satan would want you to be satanic. however i think its quite difficult to convert people to the belief in satan and praising him. so i think in most cases he settles for just turning them away from god.

Side: Yup, he certainly does!
1 point

if the devil existed then he would be against atheisim, as in order to exist he needs people to believe in him, so my answer is no

Side: Seriously man, are you serious
1 point

why does he need people to believe in him?

if i didnt believe a chicken was an animal. would it cease to be an animal?

surely if the devil exists you would be more open to his ideas if you werent prepared for him to attack

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1 point

hell will freeze, over before, i turn atheist.............................................................................................................

Side: Seriously man, are you serious
1 point

Okay it looks like we need to set premises for religious debates because almost all of them turn into the same debate of "does God(or satan) exist". So it would make more sense for atheists who enter religious debates to be hypothetical.

The religious section of this site is kind of a joke because the majority are atheists who don't seem to mind having the same debate over and over again. )))))X

Anyways. The answer is no. All he has to do is get you to not live your faith. He doesn't care what you call yourself.

As a Christian I wouldn't be as intolerant as to say atheists are satanic. I think atheists are in such defensive mode that they might think something like that. Whoever made the debate is probably an atheist being facetious.. right?

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1 point

According to the Christian bible I seriously doubt the devil cares one way or the other. Does his power grow with numbers? Either way, until Christianity came along, there was no satan or a place of eternal damnation.

Side: Seriously man, are you serious

This quote sounds like something from Paul Harvey. I will opine that this quote is not a valid one.

Side: Seriously man, are you serious