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Debate Score:679
Arguments:382
Total Votes:791
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The God Debate: Does he exist?

 Since you guys love these debates and it's been awhile...

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Side Score: 267
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No

Side Score: 412
7 points

I firmly believe God is a belief. And there has to be faith. I believe that the rightness and the conscience to do the honest way is God! You just define God the way you like. But, a super power does exist. It might even be the Aura around you!

Side: yes
7 points

I know there is a God, but religions and books are created by man to create who he wants God to be. I don't believe in any specific religion, but I support people who rely and need these religions in their lives.

Side: yes
1 point

morality changes from nation to nation, culture to culture and even individual to individual based on our collective and individual experiences and does not support the idea of a universal god or universal morality.

stick 100 priests in 100 closets and have them answer 100 moral dilemas (Just war, abortion to save the mother, etc.) and you will get many different answers (and a couple of molested alter boys).

Side: No
92nida(1410) Disputed
2 points

What I spoke of was the God that lies with in us. It wasn't theological... It was rather philosophical. Yes, Morals differ. But, there has to be one universal moral accepted by all. I do not define God as per the scriptures. That is also a belief that you like holding on to. They might have different views, but there is a commonness. You and I will agree with a lot of common ethics as human nature. Things like abortion, sometimes even war tend to bend a little with the high confusion of their existence. But, if I said that the kid is being aborted at one of the grown stages due to it being a girl. ( It is very common in certain 3rd Worlds) You will agree with all of us that it is a wrong thing and not ethical. It will be a universal belief.

But, nonetheless I was referring to God who resides subjectively in you as a guide.

Side: yes
5 points

God exists as a term. As a rule poorly defined, inarguably and absolutely authority centric, hence as divisive a term as there is, but existent nonetheless.

Side: yes
4 points

It said in the first chapter of the Bible Genenis Chapter 1 verse 1 In the beginning God created the Heavens and earth.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
7 points

It says in the Poetic Edda in Völuspá, that Odin created man and earth out of the slain Giant Ymir.

Because it is written, it must be true, correct? This is what you are saying, yes?

Side: No
Srom(12206) Disputed
3 points

No that is not what i am saying. I am saying in the Bible that God created the Heavens and the earth. If there was no God we would not exist and there wouldnt be a earth

Side: yes
2 points

I have to appreciate a man who reads the Eddas.

Side: No
1 point

if the bible didn't contradict itself

and the laws of physics (e.g an earth with water and plants and trees and night and day, before there was a sun)

then you would at least have one old book to support you - mediocre at best.

Side: No
2 points

first off the bible says that god first said let there be light (aka the sun) and there was light

Side: yes
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

The Bible might be old but it can tell you stuff that you didnt know about and the Bible is the most accurate book. Everything that is in it is correct all the other books says someone else created the earth was wrong.

Side: yes
3 points

You know you guys if you want to know that God exist go to a church and ask the pastor or read the Bible it has many answers for you that God truly exist or ask a Christian.

Side: yes
imrigone(761) Disputed
5 points

You are making some broad assumptions here. You have no way of knowing how much time I have spent in church, how many pastors/priests etc. that I have talked with, how many apologetics books I've read, how many Christian friends and family members I've listened to, how much time I've spent on Christian sites.

And its not just Christianity. I have checked out all the world's big ones to some extent, as well as many lesser known or non-local religions, and a few dead ones. I have a pretty broad view of religion.

..read the Bible...

Why should I not read the Koran, or the Bhagavad Gita or the Pali Canon, or any other religious book? The followers of these books all claim that theirs is right. Most of their view is simply based on the environment in which they were raised. Not too objective, huh?

...ask the Pastor..

I've talked to a few. They haven't said anything I haven't heard before, and the arguments they make don't get less illogical or incomplete just because a pastor is saying them. Ultimately, when I start to challenge them, they resort to telling me that I just have to have faith. But faith should never be used as a substitute for inquiry...so I walk away just as convinced that they don't know anymore than I do concerning the veracity of God.

Side: No
1 point

well think about this the diciples followed jesus with all their hearts and were willing to die and they knew him yet they still put their lives at risk so they were either stupid or had enough proof to belive in him also you cant exactly say anything since your belief also calls for faith and the world is so beutiful it cant be created by chance which means that ur relogen is just as shady as ours ps i just want to debate please no mean comments

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
4 points

This assumes that the pastor is correct, or that the bible is true. There are many religions, how is it that you came to the conclusion that yours is the correct one?

Side: No
4 points

if you happen to ask an atheist instead - does that make the bible false?

Side: No
Srom(12206) Disputed
0 points

Did you know that the Bible is one of the accurate books on the earth. When archeaologists wanted to study where Jesus went they went to the Bible and they found answers. Also a lot of people back then thought that the world was flat but Christopher Columbus went to the Bible and found that the earth was round not flat

Side: yes
2 points

ha. I think your post might be satire - if so, you are hilarious!!!

Side: No
3 points

Yes, though people may call him/her by a different name it doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. Also, there's a difference between believing in God and taking part in an organized religion.

At any rate, it isn't something that's worth arguing over. You either believe or you don't.

"I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is here [points to head] and here [points to heart] and what you decide to do every day, you will be a good man - or not."~Hospitaller (from 'Kingdom Of Heaven')

Side: yes
3 points

I would challenge anyone to show me proof that there is no God. An atheist makes a factual statement.......THERE IS NO GOD. In order to do this, they would have to have all the knowledge in the universe. That is impossible.

So give us proof that there is no God, that everything was created by random change...that life came from NOTHING.

We are not claiming that we can prove...there is a God, we just have faith in the things we have seen and through our experiences and the evidences of the Bible that have been verified. We believe by faith, something God values. You who say He does not exist are making a faith judgement...the same thing we are doing.

Einstein said that mankind grasps less than one percent knowledge mankind possesses. of total knowledge. If we have only one percent of total knowledge, would it not be possible for God to exist in the other ninety-nine percent?

At best you can only say that you don't know if there is a God or if there isn't.

Side: yes
imrigone(761) Disputed
5 points

I would challenge anyone to show me proof that there is no God.

An essentially impossible task, and most atheists understand this fact. However, you are misrepresenting what is philosophically at the core of atheism.

An atheist makes a factual statement.......THERE IS NO GOD.

Some do, but that is not a prerequisite of atheism, and I think you will find that most modern atheists don't make such a statement. Atheism refers to our lack of belief in God. We're not looking for evidence that he doesn't exist. If something does not exist it cannot provide evidence. However, if something DOES exist, it WILL have evidence. What most atheists are saying is that we find the evidence provided to us to be faulty. Without said evidence we choose not to believe.

a)So give us proof that there is no God,

I already addressed this. Give us proof that there IS a God. That is how these things work.

b) that everything was created by random change...

First off, let me assume you meant "chance" not "change", although I can deal with both. There are two basic definitions of "random." The first is without design or intent, without a guiding intelligence. No guiding intelligence is apparent or necessary for virtually any natural occurrence: rainclouds, crystal formations, biological processes, formation by accretion, degradation by friction; all things that observable causes, reasons why they happen. Close examination and careful experimentation has revealed these causes, but never was intelligence needed or apparent. By this definition of random, change can easily be random.

The other definition of random, the one you would be using if you said "random chance", is that all things have an equal chance of occurrence, which is most certainly not what we are saying at all. Study any science, and you will quickly learn that cause and affect dictate what the likelihood of an occurrence is. Certain things will never happen in certain situations, certain things must happen in others. It is practically the antithesis of random. Physics and chemistry are outstanding fields to demonstrate this concept.

c)that life came from NOTHING.

Not at all, that's what you are saying. You are saying that things just poofed in out of thin air because an immensely powerful being wanted them to. What we are saying is that the building blocks for life, at least life on our planet, have been around for billions of years. And we keep tracing it all back, reverse-engineering the universe, and keep seeing how THOSE building blocks formed, etc..

We are not claiming that we can prove...there is a God,

Than why say there is?

we just have faith in the things we have seen and through our experiences and the evidences of the Bible that have been verified.

Such as? Most evidence I have seen has either been incorrect or an incomplete thought process. Most of this "evidence" has been a matter of changing your observations to fit your notions, and a fear of changing those notions. A fear that is fueled by unshakable faith, a weakness.

We believe by faith, something God values.

Why would our creator value something that flies in the face of rationality, the tool that would allow us to know him? Wouldn't it be more realistic to assume that the limited founders and leaders of religion would have far better need of your faith than a being who has no weakness?

Einstein said that mankind grasps less than one percent knowledge mankind possesses. of total knowledge. If we have only one percent of total knowledge, would it not be possible for God to exist in the other ninety-nine percent?

Yes, it is possible, but it is just as possible that the concepts of religion and deity were created to fill the gaps in our knowledge when we knew much less about our surroundings. When we were young and afraid. Again, faith is best at helping us not be afraid, but it does not help us learn anything. And knowledge can help conquer fear too.

At best you can only say that you don't know if there is a God or if there isn't.

Precisely. Rarely do theists make that admission.

Side: No
churchmouse(328) Disputed
2 points

They can't make the statement that there is no God because they look riduculous. It can't be proven. What you talk about is what agnostics believe. They admit that they don't know. Atheism says there is no God.

You talk about providing evidence.....you would have to know everything to say for certainty that there is no evidence for God. The answers to lifes complicated questions...seem to be unanswerable...Science can't address the first cause so we are left with what? How did we get here.....intelligent designer or random chance, life coming from nothing? Can something come from nothing? So how did we get here? You look at the solar system...the universe and how it works perfectly and....how could that possibly be by something random. The peacocks tail, the miracle of birth, the working of the eye....the chicken and egg. And no life anywhere else that we know of in our solar system.

It takes faith to believe that something comes from nothing. Is that possible?

I already told you that I have no proof that I believe by faith in what I see and have experienced....and especially what science CANT ANSWER.

So what was the very first cause...the one that most atheists refer to as the Big Bang. What caused the energy to cause it?

And do tell me how peacocks tails appear the way they do....randomly? That the beautifullness of the tail, just evolved....that the eye just evolved perfectly...in appearance and function. Physics and chemistry cant answer those questions.

I am not the one saying that things poofed into mid air, you are. If a creator didnt do it...and you exclude one, then what happened?

You said, "Why would our creator value something that flies in the face of rationality, the tool that would allow us to know him? Wouldn't it be more realistic to assume that the limited founders and leaders of religion would have far better need of your faith than a being who has no weakness?'

I look to no leader of my faith other than Christ. Everyone else is fallible. I give to my church to help the poor and for missions work. My pastor is not rich....he lives modestly and not lavishly like you are saying that all religious leaders do.

I know a lot of evil has been done in the name of religion. But if you follow what Christ said, and you center your life around Him....you would treat people with love and respect. People of faith do a lot for humanity.

Tell me.....without God, who gives moral law........do we just all live according to what we think is right, what society says is right?

You are a relativist. And from all you have said here, you believe that what is true for one person or group is not necessarily right for another. Your brand of relativism says that no truth is universally or objectively true or false. Example..... in the case of abortion ….you are saying that one persons truth, (me-antiabortion) which really amounts to opinion, can conflict with anothers (anothers-proabortion) truth, and still be valid. You basically challenge the very existence of truth. Your views contaminate your entire worldview and what you call your brand of morality. For you no religion is truer than another.... NO MORAL ABSOLUTES, no objective ethical right or wrong. So if I sleep with someones husband, its ok because I think, he thinks its ok, even though spouses might think differently.

I am sure you oppose slavery and in America you can't own a slave even if you wanted to. But how about the countries that do have slavery, are they wrong? Cultural relativism says the same thing…….what is immoral in our culture may not be immoral in another culture. No one, can judge another cultures moral values. We can’t then condemn then slavery in America, genocide in Africa or infanticide in China. It is a crap shoot for the person who lives without God…they make up the rules as they go along. The rules and players change as does the game.

If truth is truth, it must exclude something-falsehood. If you correct me, you assume error exists. And if you assume error exists, you assume that truth exists. Yet truth for you changes because you try to live without God.

Side: yes
casper3912(1581) Disputed
2 points

Technically atheists just lack a belief in god, they don't necessarily believe in the non-existence of god.

Also, a god in general is too ambiguous, in order to state weather some god exists one must know which god one is speaking of.

Many atheists have no problem with pantheists, even with the gods of modern pagans, yet they do with the god of the 3 Abrahamic religions.

Well I can't speak for all atheists, I can say that the god of the abrahamic religions appears to posses several logical contradictions in its definition. Also If a being is supernatural, then by simple logic it is unknowable. If it is unknowable, then its true, or objective, meaning to humanity is unknowable and thus its existence is rather a meaningless point.

Well some atheists do make unverifiable claims concerning god, the same as every traditional theist, not all of them do.

Side: No
Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
2 points

"Technically atheists just lack a belief in god, they don't necessarily believe in the non-existence of god."

The trouble is that atheist don't just use this meaning, they act upon it. They attack God and religion, making atheism a religion. They don't lack a belief, they just have a different one.

Side: yes
2 points

I have a question if you guys think that there is no God then who made the earth? Who created us? If we didnt have a God then there would be no earth and all of us wouldnt be here today. All there would be was darkness and nothing would be there.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
3 points

I have a question if you guys think that there is no God then who made the earth? Who created us?

Why do you assume there is even a "Who" involved? When it rains do you angrily demand to know "Who is responsible for this"? Not everything that happens has an intelligent being as the cause. Some events occur because of non-intelligent forces.

Side: No
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

i know who is doing it. Its God because He made the earth and He exists. No other gods exist like budda allah and all those other gods are fake.

Side: yes
silentseeker(20) Disputed
1 point

I have a question for you. Who came first Adam and Eve or the Dinosaurs.

It is a proven fact that Dinosaurs evolved 200 million years before humans existed and they dominated the earth for 150 million years and we have the fossils to prove it. How long has humans existed? Adam and Eve" were a mythical invention of ancient Hebrew priests who wrote the books later to be edited and assembled by christian scholars as the christian bible.

Side: yes
imrigone(761) Disputed
2 points

if you guys think that there is no God

If you clearly read the arguments on the other side, you will see that most of us are saying that we don't have proof of God, not that we "think there is no God." There is actually a difference. It is one of certainty, and the majority of us are saying that certainty in either position (there is a God vs. there is no God) is impossible. Given this lack of certainty, we argue that a standpoint of skepticism is the more logical path, at least until better evidence is provided.

then who made the earth?

There is no proof that any persona was responsible. Simply some conjecture that has no basis in fact. We do, however, know that many things on Earth and in our universe form via aggregation, and it is entirely possible and likely, given the evidence that we have, that the Earth did exactly that. Also, there is a vast body of evidence that the Earth is FAR younger than the rest of the universe.

Who created us?

Again, there is no prerequisite for a "who". Its all about cause and effect. Abiogenesis still has some holes to work out, but by testing and observing we can fine-tune our theories until everything fits the observations and current base of knowledge. Sometimes it takes a while, and its possible that some questions will never be answered, but these are not reasons to call off investigative inquiry and anthropomrphize everything we don't understand.

If we didnt have a God then there would be no earth and all of us wouldnt be here today.

"We exist, therefore God" is just an excuse to stop questioning, and not a valid logical statement.

Side: No
2 points

C'mon people! Is it really that hard to choose? God is real and the only way to eternal life. Seriously, whoever chose "NO" should re-evaluate what they chose. Do you want eternal life, or the other? (ETERNAL LIFE IS THE PERFECT CHOICE.)

Side: yes
imrigone(761) Disputed
4 points

C'mon people! Is it really that hard to choose?

C'mon people, is it really that hard to expect some raw information when it comes time to make a decision? Especially since the being we are talking about can supposedly do anything?

God is real and the only way to eternal life.

A lot of modes of spirituality make claims such as these. None can make an objective claim properly identifying them as being more true than the others.

Seriously, whoever chose "NO" should re-evaluate what they chose.

Seriously, whoever chose "YES" should be able to easily and convincingly provide answers to those who chose "NO", without having to resort to a singular, questionable source (the Bible) or their own emotional pleas.

Do you want eternal life, or the other?

Assuming there is no boredom in Heaven, sure I would take eternal life there if offered. But my emotions don't dictate truth. My emotions don't help me find truth. Evidence does. Without proper evidence, I am not inclined to think that desire is any more likely than my desire to become invisible at will.

(ETERNAL LIFE IS THE PERFECT CHOICE.)

(How do I know it is a viable choice?)

Side: No
chimchimney(168) Disputed
1 point

Gosh! You only need faith to know that God exists! Apparently imrigone doesn't have any...

Side: yes
Srom(12206) Disputed
-2 points
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
1 point

It is a question over what is probably true, not a question of what you would prefer to be true.

Side: No
1 point

"What has your God done for you that you couldn't have done for yourself?" -Jordan T. McQueen

You need to understand something: YOU ARE AN ATHEIST!

You don't believe in Zeus, Acuecucyoicihuati, Centeotl, Poseidon, or Brahma.

Why don't you believe in these perfectly legitimate religions? Why did you choose yours out of the MILLIONS to choose from?

I'll tell you why: because you're mommy and daddy told you to believe in your god, or you happened to have been at the right place at the right time and now you believe in your god. There is no logical reason to believe that your god is good and everyone else's god is illegitimate.

Side: No
2 points

I'm a pantheist.

I didn't used to believe in God because I didn't understand what it could be. I started to learn about philosophy and realised I'd spent my entire life being so ignorant about it -- the answer was obvious all along.

God is our human understanding of the Universe. God is basically life and existence itself. Life, the Universe...- it is omnipotent (in the sense that it can do anything within the realm of possibility), omnipresent (it is everywhere and everything), omniscient (because it IS everything there is to know), the 'creator' (in the sense that it is the source of everything), it's perfect (in the way that it is perfectly complete), it is eternal (even if restricted to a tiny atom, it's still existing), it is good (in the way that it is good AT existing and good FOR existing). A Barbie doll, for instance, is not life -- but it's a product of life. A stone is a product of the Earth. We, as humans, are the only rational AND sentient component of God's nature. To talk of God being rational and good and evil, we are talking about ourselves. If there is evil in the world, it is the fault of people. I don't believe in an anthropomorphic God (one who has human characteristics). That's why I personally prefer to refer to God as 'It' not 'He'. I believe God is only anthropomorphic through us.

I say it's our 'human understanding' of the Universe/life, because without humans, the concept of God would disappear, but God would still continue to exist -- but just as a stone would continue to exist, only it would not have the name of 'stone'. We call life/the Universe 'God', because it is the meaning of life/the Universe, just as being a 'stone' is the meaning of the stone. It is faith and morality and recognition of what is there -- and in ways it is a product of us, yes, but also our perception of what pre-exists us.

I accept athiesm in the sense that people choose not to have this faith. But these people do still believe in 'God', only they call it beauty, love, chocolate, beer, family, friends, trees, xbox, passion, work, books, art, cinema...whatever they want. Everything that adds an aspect of meaning to your life is essentially what believers are doing with the Universe -- they are seeing it as an overwhelmingly wonderful reason to live.

PS. I am not religious, but do accept religions... I basically accept any belief -- relativism exists because of a fundamental source: people, culture...etc, - all the result of evolution, which is a result of the Universe.

You just have to see it differently and not judge too quickly. If you find yourself still disagreeing, I'd recommend to just try looking at life this way and thinking about the world this way for a month and see how fulfilling it can be. And read yourself some Spinoza.

PS (again). I think there are so many sceptics in the world because of the common misunderstanding that God is some giant guy with a beard, or some invisible creator far beyond the Universe... people start to see how ridiculous it is and don't look for a logical answer. Others think 'we have no proof', but they say this because they are, again, trying to find proof of the interventionist bearded man, or the celestial teapot. Of course we're not going to find that. If we did...then...bloomin' 'eck, forget all I've said! But I really don't think that exists and what DOES exist is what is here and now and gone and soon to be. You are God! I am God! Your pet is God. Your coach is God. But don't call it 'God' if you want to avoid the confusion ... just call it life, nature... Bill...Bob...your reflection. Whatever YOU want.

Well, God has spoken. And God has things to do...

;-)

Side: yes
2 points

Oh... wow.

Thank you.

You just told me the word for my faith.

I never had a word for it. But you just plainly defined it in one comment.

I never thought it would even have a word... I thought it was just me being me. But considering there are 6 billion people on this planet, mathematical probability would show that there are probably thousands of people exactly like me. Silly me, abandoning logic.

So thank you, now I know what to call myself. Dunno if that's good or bad. Dunno if I'll remember the word 24/7, but... it was still delightful having an epiphany.

Side: yes
1 point

While I respect the pantheist position, why not just call it nature? Calling it God gives a false impression, I think.

Side: yes
1 point

Myself and most pantheists do call it nature. When I have the choice I refer to God as 'It' (not He) or 'the Universe'. I dislike using the term 'God' because it causes confusion and people think you're referring to the traditional Christian idea (which I would say is mythical/analogous of the Universe)... In this particular argument we were discussing the existence of God, so I was making it clear that by nature I meant God. I even advised that people don't call it God! It can be whatever you want it to be, since it is everything!

But at the end of the day, it is what God is (we believe) and if people want to call it God they can. Apparently 'God' traditionally meant 'I am', so it is the same concept (that I am God, you are God...and so on). God is a synonym for nature, the Universe, life, matter... If nature is never referred to as 'God', people won't begin to realise they are the same thing.

Side: yes
atypican(4874) Disputed
1 point

I support the pantheist effort to redefine god. But what do you think about the nature of worship and it's seemingly inexorable relationship with the word god and non-pantheistic or ordinary theism?

Side: No
Tazmani(11) Disputed
2 points

Well, religion and worship (as we know) is something that derives from a fundamental concept of God... whether people choose to create a system of ethics AND worship this concept (as Christians do, for example) is up to them and has nothing to do with God itself -- religion and worship is just a way of choosing how to live. Therefore, I think people are entitled to live in what way they choose when it comes to religion/worship, as long as it causes no harm and doesn't enforce its beliefs on others, as some churches do... but I myself don't think public worship is necessary... I think God is personal and the best way to 'worship' is just to live in relation to what we think we know is good for the planet and good for people. Worship should be about appreciation and regard for life itself.

In terms of 'redefining' God, it's more 're-re-defining' God, since this initially was the concept of God anyway, until people mythologised it!

People may choose to worship a non-pantheistic concept of God, but I think if a religion were to worship this concept, or any concept of God... they would need to be open to the possibilities of perhaps being wrong... I don't think it's ever fair to say 'this is absolute fact, so you must live your life this way and believe that god is this' -- in other words, religion shouldn't take an authoritative role in people's lives, as it's merely a way of living, not the absolute way of living... I would say. It's not necessary and it should be there out of choice, not force.

Side: yes
2 points

Question: "Does God exist? Is there evidence for the existence of God?"

Answer: The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved. The Bible says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists: “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. “Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed’” (John 20:29).

That does not mean, however, that there is no evidence of God’s existence. The Bible states, “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world” (Psalm 19:1-4). Looking at the stars, understanding the vastness of the universe, observing the wonders of nature, seeing the beauty of a sunset—all of these things point to a Creator God. If these were not enough, there is also evidence of God in our own hearts. Ecclesiastes 3:11 tells us, “…He has also set eternity in the hearts of men.” Deep within us is the recognition that there is something beyond this life and someone beyond this world. We can deny this knowledge intellectually, but God’s presence in us and all around us is still obvious. Despite this, the Bible warns that some will still deny God’s existence: “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’” (Psalm 14:1). Since the vast majority of people throughout history, in all cultures, in all civilizations, and on all continents believe in the existence of some kind of God, there must be something (or someone) causing this belief.

In addition to the biblical arguments for God’s existence, there are logical arguments. First, there is the ontological argument. The most popular form of the ontological argument uses the concept of God to prove God’s existence. It begins with the definition of God as “a being than which no greater can be conceived.” It is then argued that to exist is greater than to not exist, and therefore the greatest conceivable being must exist. If God did not exist, then God would not be the greatest conceivable being, and that would contradict the very definition of God.

A second argument is the teleological argument. The teleological argument states that since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a divine Designer. For example, if the Earth were significantly closer or farther away from the sun, it would not be capable of supporting much of the life it currently does. If the elements in our atmosphere were even a few percentage points different, nearly every living thing on earth would die. The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10243 (that is a 1 followed by 243 zeros). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein molecules.

A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” cause is God.

A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?

Despite all of this, the Bible tells us that people will reject the clear and undeniable knowledge of God and believe a lie instead. Romans 1:25 declares, “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.” The Bible also proclaims that people are without excuse for not believing in God: “For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—His eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).

People claim to reject God’s existence because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once they admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from Him (Romans 3:23, 6:23). If God exists, then we are accountable to Him for our actions. If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us. That is why many of those who deny the existence of God cling strongly to the theory of naturalistic evolution—it gives them an alternative to believing in a Creator God. God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence.

How do we know God exists? As Christians, we know God exists because we speak to Him every day. We do not audibly hear Him speaking to us, but we sense His presence, we feel His leading, we know His love, we desire His grace. Things have occurred in our lives that have no possible explanation other than God. God has so miraculously saved us and changed our lives that we cannot help but acknowledge and praise His existence. None of these arguments can persuade anyone who refuses to acknowledge what is already obvious. In the end, God’s existence must be accepted by faith (Hebrews 11:6). Faith in God is not a blind leap into the dark; it is safe step into a well-lit room where the vast majority of people are already standing.

Side: yes
catticus90(360) Disputed
1 point

Why am I struggling to believe that this isn't a copy and paste job....

Side: No
2 points

Because it is a copy paste job. That, and the fact that nobody uses semicolons correctly.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Does-God-exist.html

Side: No
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
1 point

I can't expect everybody to have original thoughts but at the very least you could cite your sources.

The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved.

See my post above, which addresses this issue.

The Bible says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists: “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6).

And without the proven existence of God, why should we trust what the bible has to say about the matter?

If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists.

All the more reason we should doubt his existence.

But if He did that, there would be no need for faith.

So?

There is not a single advantage of Faith over evidenced belief, not one. The only reason Faith is considered important because it is the only way "holy men" could convince us to believe their unproven nonsense.

A Benevolent God would value human life above faith.

That does not mean, however, that there is no evidence of God’s existence.

This is Christians wanting it both ways. If you have evidence, then you don't have faith. If you have Faith, then you don't have evidence. Faith by definition is belief without evidence or proof. So you cannot claim to have both faith and evidence, you would be contradicting yourself.

The Bible states, “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands.

The bible says it, so it must be true, right? With arguments like this, you don't need counter-arguments.

In addition to the biblical arguments for God’s existence, there are logical arguments. First, there is the ontological argument.

The ontological argument is bullocks and philosophers have known this for hundreds of years. Using the concept of something as proof that the concept is true, just smells like fishy logic. The argument just falls apart when you remove all the elements of equivocation that's going on.

A second argument is the teleological argument. The teleological argument states that since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a divine Designer.

This is even worse than the ontological argument. To even call what we see in nature "design" you must first prove a designer. You can't prove there is a designer by assuming there is one. This is what is called "begging the question".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

Furthermore if the complexity of the universe requires a designer, then surely the complexity of the designer must require yet another designer and so on.

A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?

Evolution by means of natural selection.

Societies that cooperated survived, and those didn't, didn't survive.

A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause.

This is laughably easy to refute. If every effect requires a cause, then what is God's cause? If God has no cause, then not every effect requires a cause thus your statement is untrue.

Arguments for the existence of God are generally very weak arguments.

How do we know God exists? As Christians, we know God exists because we speak to Him every day. We do not audibly hear Him speaking to us, but we sense His presence

With what other sense? Sense of taste? Sense of touch? Sense of sight? Sense of smell?

Side: No
2 points

The God I believe in is a universal spirit. I also believe that man is divine and immortal and is rencarnated until he perfects himself into a loving, limitless and spiritual creature, which is what he is supposed to be. jesus was not divine, he discovered this truth and worked tirelessly to teach it. He said " He that has seen me hath seen the father" Of course! It's that way with everyone. God is Life and wisdom! Anything living has God, "the father", in it! Affirm yourself to be divine and claim your power and infinite wisdom that comes with it.

Side: yes
imrigone(761) Disputed
1 point

It is all good advice. Indeed, you are verging on sounding like a Buddhist, which is one of the religions I tend to have no qualms with (indeed I was a Buddhist for a couple years)...but I have a question...

Why does it have to be God? God implies...something...existing beyond observable means...why does the beauty of the universe have to be that? What is your evidence/rationale for such a thing...why can't the beauty and majesty that exists around us simply be..that which has happened...? Why imply that it has a consciousness...?

Side: No
1 point

The Beauty and majesty is one thing, but God is another. God i spirit and love and feeling and we are a projection of that.

Side: No
2 points

Until someone can explain how the chicken came first or where the egg is positioned, there is an order to the multi-verse. Big bang, M theory.. what came first...we are all star dust, created out of a super nova billions of years ago, thats provable but what contained the original bang or what houses the membranes. I side with consciousness, we are all god, hence from god and will return to god because we are all unique, yet completely the same!

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
1 point

What happens to your computer programs when you destroy your computer? The programs are the result of the processes of the computer. Consciousness is the result of the processes of the brain. The brain is essentially a biological computer. End the computer and you end it's processes.

Side: No
2 points

Yes God does exist. When you die you go to Heaven. It's simple logic! I mean where else do you go? We wouldn't be here if it weren't for God! Of course this is just my view, and you can feel absolutely free to choose your own religion and beliefs.

Side: yes
catticus90(360) Disputed
1 point

You say others can feel free to choose their own religion and beliefs yet you claim that simple logic means you go to heaven and that God certainly exists. To respect others views you must only view this as a personal belief and not the absolute truth until proven other wise.

Side: No
2 points

Ok honestly srom I don't even disagree with you but you aren't debating you just keep spouting out scripture and ignoring any arguments people bring up, unless you decide to spout more scripture disguised as an argument. Either way this entire argument is pointless, virtually no headway has ever been made on it because whatever their belief on this topic, there is not enough evidence to overturn either side. I really wish people would stop making these...

Side: yes
2 points

This world is waaaay too beautiful to be created by anything other than a Divine Being. And only Someone with powers beyond our belief could design and create something as complex as the human body.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
2 points

Beauty is not inherent, you see things as beautiful because that is what you perceive them to be. Does the repulsiveness of maggots, cow feces, or vultures disprove God? So why would beauty prove him/it? It's a nonsense argument.

Side: No
2 points

Even so the evidence of God's existence is right in front of you. Nothing else could create life and the perfect place for It to live upon.

Side: yes
2 points

In my opinion God lives in us, rather in every, who believes in him. Faith in God gives us the confident and strength.Each thing has its creator, each house has its own architect, each book has its own author, each person has their own parents: his father and mother. Please show me a thing, which itself was formed? Tha is why I think that Creator of our universe is God. And why the belief in God exist in human consciousness?

Side: yes
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

So a belief in causes lead you to believe in an ultimately uncaused cause?

Does god have a parent?

Side: No
1 point

In the Word of God the Bible it says in John 3:16 it says that God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son that who ever belives in him shall not die but have eternal life.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
4 points

Preaching what you believe does not in any way persuade us for why we should accept it as true.

Side: No
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

Yah it can change peoples lives and someone of the stuff in there are true

Side: yes
tryreason(7) Disputed
2 points

It's more probable than not that a man named Jesus lived. My problem with him being more than a man is the fact that he did not know how to write. It seems to run in the family. We gods can create everything... but don't know how to write.

It just seems unreasonable.

Side: let's us reason
1 point

Jesus also said I am the Way the Truth and the Light. Jesus is the only God and there is none like him. God already proved himself that He is really by coming down on this earth to die for our sins because we were all dead in sin. So He proved himself by dying on the cross for our sins and by raising from dead after 3 days. There you go He proved that God exists

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
2 points

Jesus is the only God and there is none like him.

A statement of faith, not fact. That you believe something does not constitute evidence that it is true.

God already proved himself that He is really by coming down on this earth

We don't know that he ever did this. You must trust that the written accounts of this are true. What most likely happened is a man claimed to be the incarnation of God. People make such claims all the time. You simply assume that in this case it is true.

Side: No
1 point

Genesis 1:1 says God created the Heavens and the earth and he saw everything that was good.

Genesis 1:27 And God created man in his own image

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
2 points

Genesis is wrong about a lot of things.

Side: No
101kakashi(381) Disputed
0 points

and how would you know that genesis is wrong about alot of things? ;)

Side: yes
silentseeker(20) Disputed
1 point

Perhaps it would be simplistic to point out that 'cavemen' fossils have been dated to hundreds of thousands of years old, while the story of Adam and Eve is supposed to have taken place around six thousand years ago. Let's seperate science from religion; a scientist would say that Adam and Eve never existed and the cave men really exist, and some theologians may say that the world is only 6000 years old, and therefore Adam and Eve were the first cave dwellers (although this conflicts with the biblical story of their son, Cain, building a great city in the land of Nod).

Side: No
1 point

Uh huh. Of course he exists. There are over 42 Churches in my town alone. Don't see that many Bhuddists churches. ._.

Side: yes
imrigone(761) Disputed
3 points

So your logic is: Because you live in an area where Christianity is the dominant religion, it must be right?

So somebody who lives in country where Buddhism is the most common religion can say that Buddhism must be right because they don't see as many Christian churches as Buddhist temples?

Or a person in Saudi Arabia, noting there are dozens of mosques but only 1 church in their community can say that obviously Islam is correct?

None of these statements are very useful, because truth isn't a popularity contest.

Side: No
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
3 points

Uh huh. Of course he exists. There are over 42 Churches in my town alone. Don't see that many Bhuddists churches.

Yes, it is a good thing you have internet in your town otherwise we would be forced to conclude that it doesn't exist.

Side: No
1 point

Still, I'm guessing that most of you are americans, so that doesn't mean you live in India. You see churches all the time. About 3/4ths of my town goes to church. How do I know that? Over 2000 people go to my church every day. And that's just 1/42 churches. My town population has only around 10,000 People.

Side: yes
imrigone(761) Disputed
3 points

Which doesn't change what I said before:

Truth is not a popularity contest. Once upon a time almost everybody thought the world was flat and that sun revolved around us. Turns out they were wrong.....

Side: No
Zenos184(74) Disputed
2 points

Well, looks like you're gonna regret not believing in god in your After Life. Oh, and say "Hi" to Osama for me after you die, would you? Thanks. >_>

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
1 point

This is the most idiotic argument I've ever heard. The existence of God cannot be true in one area and false in another. How many people believe in something has zero bearing on whether it is actually true or not.

Side: No
1 point

@imrigone There is a hell because people died and came back on this earth. There is a book called "A Divine Revelation of Hell" by Mary K. Baxter. She goes with Jesus to hell and explores it with him. He talks about what someother people did that was wrong like people who like darkness more than the light and served Satan more than Jesus and also there was servants of God or belivers and then they didnt believe in him and then they went to hell. Jesus also said in the book that she wrote "My Word is true" He also said repent of your sins and He will cleanse you even if the sin is really bad or a mistake. If you dont repent you will be in a place of suffering for eternity and there is no escape!

Side: yes
imrigone(761) Disputed
1 point

Srom1883, I will give you credit for your passion and tenacity. However I must take away some of that credit for your tendency to ignore my points and just move on to something else. I try to respond to your points, but you keep avoiding mine. That being said:

There is a book called "A Divine Revelation of Hell" by Mary K. Baxter. She goes with Jesus to hell and explores it with him.

There is a huge problem with "divine revelations" and personal testimony. A few problems, actually. One is, we can never know whether to trust someone when they are the only ones with access to that specific experience. They could be lying, they could be deluded, they could be misunderstanding what they are being exposed to, etc. That is why objective evidence is better. If I had an incredible experience that is unbelievable, it would go a lot farther to convincing people if I could show them, recreate the event, provide incontrovertible evidence, and so on; than if all I could do was tell them about it. Which leads us to the next problem: an omniscient being would understand this. And an omnipotent being could do something about it. Why not give a dream of heaven and hell, one that could not be refuted in any way, to every person on the planet, whether they had read the Bible or not? Why not have a one-way gate to hell, say in Death Valley, where every person could go in once in their lives and see it for themselves, know exactly what it would be like? You could have one for Heaven in the Himalayas too. These wouldn't have to be true passageways, mind you. Just a quick tour, and every one would get only one chance to see each destination, and continue on with life after. And people who didn't want to go wouldn't have to, but people who did would always find a way, no matter how poor or unhealthy they are. Doing it this way would simultaneously allow us to have free will AND have irrefutable, objective evidence. Why is God so intent on not letting us make a truly informed choice, if he is omnibenevloent and wants us to love him?

He also said repent of your sins and He will cleanse you even if the sin is really bad or a mistake.

And yet we are told that repenting doesn't just mean learning your lesson and striving to make up for it, trying to make the world a better place after. It also means casting aside your rational judgment and giving yourself to something that does not choose to reveal itself fully in ways that would convince anyone. That doesn't sound like something that an all-powerful/all-knowing/all-compassionate being would do. It does, however, sound like something that people who wanted power and control over nations of superstitious folk would come up with...

Side: No
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

The person is not lying Jesus told her in the book to write a book about so that people coul understand that there is hell and to prevent people going there and have people go to heaven with God.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
3 points

An atheist says they do not believe in God and an agnostic says that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not. The positions are not mutually exclusive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

Side: No
1 point

Despite this, the Bible warns that some will still deny God’s existence: “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’” (Psalm 14:1)

Side: yes
1 point

I don't like the bible, too much violence, twice as much as the Quran in fact. Care to explain why what I read in the Quran is any less credible then your ridiculous bible? And I mean an explanation outside of what you read in the bible. One source does not a valid argument make.

Side: No
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

You just got mad because i put that something from the Bible. Its the Truth but no offense the Truth hurts and the Truth will set you free

Side: yes
1 point

God is real but the major religions have it all wrong. He is not physical, he does not control your life.

Side: yes
1 point

Of course God exists. Who do you think created everything?

Side: yes
imrigone(761) Disputed
1 point

I don't think that "anyone" created everything. That's the point. Why would I make such an assumption?

Side: No
1 point

i believe in God because how can we explain why we even exist, how can we explain the scriptures, how can we explain why people are people, why would you deny that something if that something really doesn't exist

Side: yes
imrigone(761) Disputed
1 point

how can we explain why we even exist

Thorough investigative inquiry is generally quite useful. "Why we even exist" is a pretty big question with lots of individual questions wrapped inside of it. A significant amount of these questions have already been well answered and are available for your perusal online, in libraries or any good college. Of course there are several questions left unanswered, but why just jump to a conclusion that was formed thousands of years ago by people with virtually no understanding of science?

The thing is, we do exist, and we will continue to do so just fine without knowing the "why", or even if there is a "why". There is no race here. We doing things thoroughly and methodically and allow technology and other investigations pull it all together. There is no reason to give our sense of curiosity a false answer just because we are impatient.

how can we explain the scriptures

Again, you have a broad topic here, but there are plenty of explanations. Be more specific, and I bet I have an answer to your question.

how can we explain why people are people

The simple answer is because we aren't something else. Yet again, if you would like a specific answer, you need to ask a specific question.

why would you deny that something if that something really doesn't exist

The same way we deny unicorns, leprechauns, the X-Men, etc. It is actually very easy.

Side: No
1 point

Science tells us to accept all possibilities and analyze each. Because it has never been ruled out as impossible, it must be left in the pool of the possible.

Side: yes
1 point

You know you guys just because you dont see God doesnt mean he is there. Todays society you have to see to believe. We can feel God's presence. How? We sometimes feel like we are light headed and also we feel dizzy. Its faith that determines God exists. Stop bringing evoultion into this debate it had nothing to do with God. There are some flaws in evoultion. Jesus said to his disciples you have seen me and yet you believe but bless it are those who didnt see me and yet have believed. You guys are all angry about this situation and you dont want to know the Truth. Sorry guys but sometimes the truth hurts whether you like it or not. And the truth can set you free. You guys think that the Bible is a man made thing but actually Jesus told the people to write it through the Holy Spirit. In the Bible it also says that a fool one says in his heart that God doesnt exist.

Side: yes
catticus90(360) Disputed
1 point

You know you guys just because you dont see God doesnt mean he is there. Todays society you have to see to believe

Then do you believe in unicorns, leprechauns, fairies, the Loch Ness monster? There is logic behind 'seeing is believing'.

We can feel God's presence. How? We sometimes feel like we are light headed and also we feel dizzy

How is being light headed or dizzy God's presence? Dizziness can be caused by a mass amount of things to list a few: stress, low blood sugar, standing up to quickly, being on a round a bout.

Its faith that determines God exists. Stop bringing evoultion into this debate it had nothing to do with God. There are some flaws in evoultion. Jesus said to his disciples you have seen me and yet you believe but bless it are those who didnt see me and yet have believed

Obviously an opposition argument is going to bring evolution to the table as evidence since it has more proven credibility than an higher being. There are flaws in religion too you know. You don't know Jesus said that. It's not proven.

You guys are all angry about this situation and you dont want to know the Truth. Sorry guys but sometimes the truth hurts whether you like it or not

There is no evidence to suggest that Christianity or any other religion is the truth. It could be the truth but it's by no means definite. Perhaps the truth may hurt you when you die and there is no heaven. Or maybe you'll just cease to exist and will never find out.

And the truth can set you free. You guys think that the Bible is a man made thing but actually Jesus told the people to write it through the Holy Spirit

There is no proof that Jesus told people to write the Bible especially through a supernatural entity. Regardless it is man made even if it is Jesus' word he is a man and made it and thus the Bible is man made. Even if it was Jesus' word there is no proof that Jesus' word is the truth.

In the Bible it also says that a fool one says in his heart that God doesnt exist

Well it would say that, it still doesn't prove anything. If I wrote about the life and times of a giant rubber duck who traveled the world in a hot air balloon and said you'd be a fool not to believe it since it adds up historically would you think it was the ultimate truth?

Side: No
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
1 point

You know you guys just because you dont see God doesnt mean he is there. Todays society you have to see to believe. We can feel God's presence. How? We sometimes feel like we are light headed and also we feel dizzy.

If you are feeling light-headed and dizzy, that's not God it's severe dehydration. Although I can see how you might confuse the two.

You guys are all angry about this situation and you dont want to know the Truth.

You are not in a position to even know what "The Truth" is, nonetheless to dictate who desires it.

We may only ever have a close approximation of truth. A semblance of truth. Anyone who claims to have "The truth" is nearly always full of shit.

You guys think that the Bible is a man made thing but actually Jesus told the people to write it through the Holy Spirit.

And those people who wrote the bible, did they happen to be men? If Jesus wanted people to write the bible, why didn't he write it himself? Am I to believe the son of God is illiterate?

Side: No

"I think therefore I am." God exist in our minds and so he exists .

Side: yes
imrigone(761) Disputed
1 point

a) your quote and your statement are unrelated.

b) God exist in our minds and so he exists .- If you've even heard of the Transformers or the X-Men, or leprechauns or tooth fairies, they exist in your mind. Do any of these things exist in reality? To the best of my knowledge, no

Side: No
Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
1 point

Everything is related, it just takes one bright enough to know this.

Who said anything about reality? The title just ask, if God exist. I said he does. I did not say on what level he exist. I do believe God exist.

Side: yes
1 point

NOTE:What I am about to tell you is true. I did not copy and paste this off a website this is my speech. This is proof that God exists.

Question: Why cant I see God? How Do we knw He is real? Answer:There are a number of things that we cant see yet,know theryre real. We know the the wind is real because we can feel it in our skin and see it blowing leaves off a tree. Because God is a Spirit, He's invisible ,but unless he chooses to reveal himself. In some way for some special occasion(look at theses examples God revealing himself in special ways in the Bible, Exodus 3:4-6 says When the Lord saw Moses take a closer God called to him from the middle bush "Moses!,Moses!" "Here I am!" Moses replied. verse 5: "Do not come any closer", the Lord warned. "Take off your sandals for you are on holy ground. verse 6: "For I am the God of Abraham,Issac,and Jacob.

Matthew 3:16-17 says After his baptism as Jesus came out of the water,the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and settling on him. Verse 17: And a voice from Heaven said,"This is my dearly beloved Son, who brings me great joy.)

Only a few people in history have met God in these ways. For the rest of us,there are ways we can "know" God exists even though we dont see him.

First we know by faith that God exist the Bible says hes real. So people who believe in the Bible believe God is real. Hebrews 11:6 says And it is impossible to please God without faith.Anyone who wants to come to hom must believe that God exists and rewards those who seek him. Second, we know God exists because of the impact he has on our lives. Just like we know the wind is real because we can see what it does ,we know God is real because he changes our lives. He lets us know when we do wrong. He comforts us when we are sad. He answers our prayers and list goes on and on. Those who have faith know that God is real because he really is active in our lives.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
0 points

Question: Why cant I see God? How Do we knw He is real? Answer:There are a number of things that we cant see yet,know theryre real. We know the the wind is real because we can feel it in our skin and see it blowing leaves off a tree. Because God is a Spirit, He's invisible ,but unless he chooses to reveal himself. In some way for some special occasion(look at theses examples God revealing himself in special ways in the Bible, Exodus 3:4-6

And your proof rests upon uncorroborated anecdotal stories written thousands of years ago?

First we know by faith that God exist the Bible says hes real.

You can never "Know" anything by faith. Faith is belief not knowledge. I don't expect that I must explain the difference between knowledge and belief.

The is no relationship between what is believed upon faith and what is actually true, none at all.

Second, we know God exists because of the impact he has on our lives.

Something mustn't be true to have an impact on people's lives. Deception can affect lives just as well as truth.

Those who have faith know that God is real because he really is active in our lives.

Is he? What events you attribute to divine intervention can just as easily be attributed to the normal occurrences of life.

Side: No
1 point

Am I to take it Srom, that you believe downvoting is an alternative to an actual counter-argument? It isn't. This only tells me that your arguments are too weak to withstand critical thinking.

Side: No
1 point

Question is all of the Bible true?

Answer:Absoulutely! The Bible is the very Word of God and God cant lie. He cant make mistakes ethier. You and I might be tempted to lie sometimes ,but God never does. God is perfect,which means he never did anything wrong. He's given us the Word because he wants us to know the truth about some important stuff-like who he is,how muche he loves us,and how to get to heaven.

Question: Who wrote the Bible

Answer: The Bible is inspired by God. He inspired Moses for example to write the first 5 books of the Bible. That means Moses was guided along so that he wrote exactly what God told him to write.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
0 points

Question is all of the Bible true?

Answer:Absoulutely! The Bible is the very Word of God and God cant lie. He cant make mistakes ethier. You and I might be tempted to lie sometimes ,but God never does.

"That God cannot lie, is no advantage to your argument, because it is no proof that priests can not, or that the Bible does not." ~Thomas Paine

Side: No
1 point

This will happen to athiets if they don believe in God. Hope you enjoy the Video! :D

An Athiest Meets God
Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
5 points

You realize this video is a satire, correct? I must question the authenticity and sincerity of your beliefs. You are either very naive or a troll. Due to Poe's law I cannot determine which.

Poe's Law: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe's_Law

Side: No
imrigone(761) Disputed
2 points

LOL. Are you serious? That was an atheist video. Its almost five minutes of calling God petty and irrational. Its not even that thinly disguised.

Side: No

I believe he exists :)

I started to believe becasue of personal experiences in my life. At one point you really hit a certain rock bottom point when you're really forced to look at life, and think about it. Anyway, I DO believe in God, and nothing can really shake my belief in that. (Beliefs on other stuff like biblical interpretation of morals and stuff I'm still developing opinions of)

Side: yes

How about this: If God DOES exist, then he does and all these happy Christians can go to heaven and live with Jesus in peace and happiness forever, while those who don't believe in him will be sad.

And if he doesn't then at least we Christians died happily thinking we were going to heaven, while those who don't believe will also be happy. --> if there is nothing else after our death then ah well for both.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
0 points

What if Judaism were correct, then would you go to hell for worshiping Jesus as a God?

Side: No
Animegirl300(26) Disputed
1 point

Then either way I would be going to hell for not being a Jew period :o

But at least I could say I tried instead of just sitting back and doing nothing.

Side: yes
1 point

go ahead guys believe in atheism and all that nonsense. i am done with this debate because u r brain washing me with all this stuff . i did my part to persuade u guys and all u did was say it wasnt true. i pray for u athiests to believe in God. Hopefully i will see u in heaven 1 day. if u dont believe in God u will go 2 a place of suffering . AKA hell

Side: yes
3 points

feel free to come back when you can provide a challenge :)

Side: yes
1 point

I believe he exist.

Recently Stephen Hawking admits that there is a "ultimate being".

There is no way to actually prove that he exist. People can only have faith.

Side: yes
catticus90(360) Disputed
1 point

I thought Stephen Hawking claimed God definitely did not create the universe?

Actually I'm right.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11161493

There is no place for God in theories on the creation of the Universe, Professor Stephen Hawking has said

Side: No
Sulith(508) Disputed
1 point

Hmm, interesting. Your post is from 2010. I am speaking of recently.

LONDON (Reuters) -- God DID

create the universe, says the man

who is arguably one of the world's

most famous living scientists.

Noted astrophysicist Stephen

Hawkins now admits being a horse's

arse for writing a book, The Grand

Design, in which he emphatically

stated that God is a boogeyman

who does NOT exist.

In i t, he had erroneously argued

that the Big Bang, instead of occurring following the intervention of

a Divine

Being, was inevitable due to the law

of gravity.

In his 1988 book, A Brief History

of Time, Hawking had seemed

to accept the role of God in the

creation of the universe. But in

The Grand Design, he stated that

new theories showed a Creator is

"not necessary."

Side: yes
1 point

I will believe god doesn’t exist when you guys can prove to me that we walked on the moon and the Holocaust really did take place…… MAKE ‘ME’ BELIEVE!!!.....it takes nothing to dismiss something as untrue....... it takes a lot to really believe in something..... it is very easy to not accept evidence..... just try me....

Side: yes
1 point

The things that I listed below was on a book called What if Jesus has never been born? by Dr. James Kennedy

These are the positive contributions Christanity has made through the centuries:

-Hospitals,which essentially began during the Middle Ages

-Universities,which began during the Middle Ages.In addition, most of the worlds greatest universities were started by Christians for Christian purposes.

-Literacy and education for the masses

-Capitalism and free enterprise.

-Representative government,particulary as it been seen in the American experiment

-The seperation of political powers

-Civil liberties

-The abolition of slavery,both in antiquity and in more modern times

-Modern science

-The discovery of the new world by Columbus

-The elevation of a women

-Benevolence and charity;the good Samaritan ethic.

-The elevation of a common man

-The condemnation of adultery,homosexuality,and other sexual perversions.This has helped to preserve the human race,and it has spared many from heartache

-High regard of human life

-The civilizing of many barbarian and primate cultures.

-The codifying and setting to writing of many of the worlds languages.

-Greater development of art and music. The inspiration for the greatest works of art.

-The countless lives transformed from liabilities into assets to society because of the gospel

-The eternal salvation of countless souls

The last note is a primary goal for Christanity

This is what we have today. This proves the God exists. If Jesus Christ the Son of God was never born or didnt exist then we would not have the all of those things I listed above.

Did you know that are Founding Fathers believed in God too.

I am going to read a couple of quotes of what they said from Americas God and Country by William J. Federer

"I have examined all religions,as well as my narrow sphere,my straightened means,and my busy life,would allow;and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen." -John Adams

"I believe in Jesus Christ as the great Helper,Comforter and the Saviour of humanity,and the Holy Bible as bearing to us the story of his mission,the rules of duty, the revelation of Ethernal Life,and and also the conditions under which the attainment of that life are possible. No Book contains more truths,or is more worthy of confidence then the Bible;none brings more joy to the sorrowing,more strength to the weak,or more stimulus to the nobly ambitious;none makes life sweeter,or death easier or less sad." -David Josiah Brewer

"If you love,you will suffer,and if you do not love,you do not know the meaning of a Christian life." -Agatha Christie

"Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown ups. The theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless." -Professor Louis Bounoure

Studies show that 94% of our Founding Fathers quotes are derived from the Bible

Before you start talking about evolution this is what Hank Hanegraff (AKA Bible Answer Man) said in the The Complete Bible Answer Book he said this: Dr Louis Bounoure former director of research at the French National Center for Scientific Research calls evolution " a fairy tale for grown ups" I call it a cruel hoax . In fact the arguments that support evolutionary theory are astonishly weak. First, the fossil record is an embarrassment to evoluionists. No verifiable transitions from one kind to another have as yet been found. Charles Darwin had an excuse ;in his day fossil finds were relatively scarce. Today, however we have an abundance of fossils. Still we have yet to find one legitimate transition from one kind to another.

Furthermore in Darwin's day such enormously complex structures as a human egg were thought to be quite simple-for all practical purposes, little more than a microscopic blob of gelatin. Today we know that a fertilized human egg is among the most organized,complex structures in the the universe. In an age of scientific enlightenment, it is incredible to think people are willing to maintain that something so vastly complex arose by chance. Like an egg or the human eye, the universe is a masterpiece of precision and design that could not have come into existence by chance.

Finally, while chance is a blow to the theory of evolution, the laws of science are a bullet to its head. The basic laws of science including the laws of effects and their causes -energy conversation and ethropy-undergird the creation model for origins and undermine the evoutionary hypothesis. While I would fight for a persons right to have faith in science fiction we must resist evouluionists who attempt to brainwash people into thinking that evoultion is science.

Most of the invention we have today like the lightbulb by Thomas Edison and the techology we have would not be here because if God never existed then some of things i just mentioned would not be here today.

God does exist. Look we have rainbows and the reason why we have rainbow is because God promised Noah that He would not flood the entire earth ever again. Did God ever flood the whole earth again? No because God kept is promise and that means that He exists. Also if God didnt exist the United States would not be here today because our Founding Fathers were Christians and they thought that this was a Christian nation. And if God never existed you could kiss the United States and all the inventions good bye. Thats why we have on our dollor bills in God We Trust because one of our Founding Fathers put that.

Before you reply to this I suggest you read all of this because this is detailed information about how God exists

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
0 points

The things that I listed below was on a book called What if Jesus has never been born? by Dr. James Kennedy

These are the positive contributions Christanity has made through the centuries:

Most of these examples are exaggerated and oversimplified. The influence of many of these 'contributions' were neither here nor there. Some of them are downright false or moot.

I also find it somewhat amusing that 'Modern science' is even listed here considering the Christian church has been the principal opponent of science since Galileo was excommunicated for insisting that the Earth Revolves around the Sun and not vice versa.

This is what we have today. This proves the God exists.

I find this to be insulting to my intelligence.

>Christians have done good things

...Therefore

>God exists

This is fallacious logic. Firstly it ignores all of the negative contributions of Christianity, secondly it blatantly disregards the Gods of other religions. If God exists who is to say it's not the God of some other religion, why do you assume it must be YOUR God? Most importantly, there is absolutely no link between how many good deeds a person or persons has done and the veracity of their beliefs.

You could list a thousand more positive contributions of Christianity and you would still be no closer to proving the existence of God. The probable truth of a proposition rests on the strength of it's evidence, not on the good deeds of it's advocates.

On another note I find it interesting that you dedicate a substantial amount of your post attempting to refute Evolutionary Theory, as if to say that God could only exist if he possessed the particular characteristics ascribed to him by your Doctrine.

No verifiable transitions from one kind to another have as yet been found.

LIST OF TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

God does exist. Look we have rainbows and the reason why we have rainbow is because God promised Noah that He would not flood the entire earth ever again.

This bears more resemblance to myth than to historical reality. Especially considering that there is no evidence of any Global Flood ever. Entire civilizations have flourished uninterrupted during the period for which the deluge is said to have occurred, nor do we find a universal layer of silt across the world within the geologic record which we would expect if there we to be a global flood. The physical evidence renders such stories as mere myths, a proposition unlikely to be accepted by those who consider the bible to be an infallibly true literal record of past events.

Most of the invention we have today like the lightbulb by Thomas Edison and the techology we have would not be here because if God never existed then some of things i just mentioned would not be here today.

http://www.answers.com/topic/begging-the-question

Interestingly enough, nothing has been invented via divine revelation, or through any supernatural means. Inventions are made using critical thinking.

Finally, while chance is a blow to the theory of evolution, the laws of science are a bullet to its head. The basic laws of science including the laws of effects and their causes -energy conversation and ethropy

Entropy has nothing to do with Evolutionary theory. Entropy is the movement of heat in a closed thermodynamic system. Please elucidate how in anyway that would disprove evolutionary theory, I would love to know.

Nor does causation in any way refute Evolutionary theory. Natural selection, Sexual selection, Artificial selection, Genetic drift....that is your causation.

Science doesn't dispute Evolutionary theory, it supports it. The scientific evidence for the Theory of evolution is so overwhelming the vast majority of scientists and especially biologists are forced to accept it. Most of the vocal advocates of Evolution come from the scientific community, whereas most of those who oppose it come from the religious community.

Side: No
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

I can tell you didnt read the whole thing about what I said because you just skimed my argument and fixed the things that were wrong. What about the quotes of our founding fathers? They were serving the Christian God. That is how we became a nation so if you think God doesnt exist then you mine as well kiss the USA goodbye because thanks to Columbus we are here and our Founding Fathers too. If God didnt exist then we shouldnt have Christmas holiday to celebrate Jesus's Birth. We shouldnt have Easter if God didnt exist, or Thanksgiving if God didnt exist. Most of those holidays we celebrate today. So there is a God now please read carefully to what i had to say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: yes
1 point

I am done with this debate because who know how long this debate might last but I did my part and all you athiests do is reject my stuff and say we dont know he did and that. And you try to brain wash me with false teachings but I am not going to fall for those stuff you say. In the Bible its says ignore the false teachers(you athiests) I will pray for each and everyone of you to know God and believe in God. If you still dont accept him then you are going to a place of suffering and you will not like it thats what i am trying to do is save you from going to hell. But you reject it so there is no point of saying any stuff anymore. Enough said IM DONE! Jesus will decide where your going to go but looks like most of you athiests are going to hell while im in Heaven.

Side: yes
1 point

one question for the non-believers: if God doesn`t exist, then how were we created?

Side: yes
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

I have one question for the believers: if you are hungry, what do you wear?

Side: No
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
1 point

We weren't. We evolved.

Side: No
MrAshish(13) Disputed
1 point

We Evolved from a single cell organism to this stage, before that all i can say is i don't know yet. More research is needed to answer this question. Now with that said it doesn't mean if we don't know an answer to a question it is just to make up stories and fabricate your own groundless answers.

Side: No
1 point

I would say yes. Let my list of reasons start. First one if the earth was any closer or farther away from the sun we would all die that points to intelligent design which points to God. How come the bible is yet to be proven wrong? How come the bible goes along history book so well? The bible that have been found from when the bible was still being written ( some time in ad) match up with new translation almost word for word in ones being printed today. If science is so great how come we font Evan understand are own bodies. Yesterday another proven for intelligent design. How come the great flood that is written in the bible is also found in many other religions? For those of u who say that the bible is contradicting I vet u haven't read the bible from cover to cover yet u still claim to be all knowing on it.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
2 points

First one if the earth was any closer or farther away from the sun we would all die that points to intelligent design which points to God.

This is a nonsense argument for a number of reasons:

1) The habitability zone within our universe is about 211.575 million miles wide and it is growing.

2) There are 70 sextilllion stars or about 7.0x10^22 stars that we know of so far. And each of these stars have it's own habitability zone (some larger and some smaller). When you look at it that way, one water-bearing planet is bound to fall within one of those zones.

3) This is all assuming all potential life would require the same conditions that earth-based life requires.

How come the bible is yet to be proven wrong?

It has:

Bats are not birds.

The sun is older than the earth.

The moon is not a light nor does it produce light.

How come the bible goes along history book so well?

Perhaps for the reason the film Saving Private Ryan goes along with history so well.

If science is so great how come we font Evan understand are own bodies.

Science is a process, it is not a cognizant thing, it does not understand things but it helps us to understand things. Through science we have been able to learn a great deal about our bodies and the bodies of many other living things. Science has made modern medicine possible.

Yesterday another proven for intelligent design.

What? This is not even a complete sentence.

How come the great flood that is written in the bible is also found in many other religions?

Many cultures have a flood story because many cultures have at one time or another experienced excessive flooding. It may very well be a fictionalization of flooding which occurred at the end of the last glacial period.

Side: No
Raider(40) Disputed
1 point

I will give u the earth one. The sun is older than the earth it says do in the bible. What is this about the bats not being birds where did that come from? The moon being a light who said any thing about that we all know it's not. Some if the Bible was written before to tell of things to come and those things that we written a hundred years before came true. It was supposed to say yet another prove of intelligent design but it should have said yet more prove of intelligent design. I was talking about the great flood as in the whole earth. And tell me have u even read the bible from cover to cover?

Side: yes
1 point

I sorry don't know what I was think. The sun was after the earth. And please tell me hoe u think u can date the sun? It never Sayers the moon makes light. Yes a bat is not a bird but during the time when the bible was written the did not have a clear definition of what was a bird so to them any thing that flies is a bird. Yes I have read the bible. I continue to do so.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
1 point

I sorry don't know what I was think. The sun was after the earth

No it wasn't. The sun is older than the earth. The earth orbits the sun, without the sun there are no days. Without the sun there is no light, and without light there can be no life.

The story that you read within the bible is just that-- a story. It does not reflect our physical reality. People invent myths to explain what they do not understand.

And please tell me hoe u think u can date the sun?

I cannot, but astronomers can. The age of the sun is determined by it's stage in stellar evolution, by knowing how much fuel (Helium & Hydrogen) remains and how quickly it is burning this fuel.

So yes, we do know that the Sun is older than the earth.

Yes a bat is not a bird but during the time when the bible was written the did not have a clear definition of what was a bird so to them any thing that flies is a bird.

Assuming there was no word for flying animals, nor a word for feathered animals, how can you possibly consider the bible inerrant if it is so crippled by the limitations of ancient human language? What else might be incorrect due to linguistic limitations?

Side: No
Raider(40) Disputed
1 point

Yes with out the sun there is no way that life would exist on earth that'd why man was after the sun. These Astronomers are the same people who thought the earth was the center of the universe. These scientist also thought the earth was flat for thousands of years, thing scientist say and have been excepted has fact have change multiple times over the course of time. read on this website if u read a little u see where it explains the bats, it also explains about the sun/earth which was first argument. http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/contradict.htm

Side: yes
1 point

look GUYS,First, this topic is irritating me, Second, what is the religion of person, who created this debate? If he believed to religion, he wouldn't write this issue, and it is impossible to get conclusion from this site. I advise to him to discuss this kind of issue seriously. If he really wants to know about God, he should ask this question from experts, which are involved in this issue. My point of view to this issue: I believe, believed, and will believe to the existence of God. I am a Muslim. I believe, because something inside of me is telling this. Atheists and materialists think that human is created by chance. But, such branches of science as paleontology, genetics, biochemistry, and molecular biology have proven that it is quite impossible for life to come about as a result of chance and to emerge by itself from natural conditions. For that reason, the complex design in just one cell clearly shows that God created life. This is one of billion reasons, which shows that God exists!!!

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
1 point

look GUYS,First, this topic is irritating me, Second, what is the religion of person, who created this debate?

The creator of this debate, does not submit to any religion. I posit that no religion adequately explains reality. Islam as well as Christianity and Judaism, are comprised of various archaic texts containing numerous myths, parables, and fables. The issue of the existence of God has been discussed innumerable times both formally and informally. Nor is there any way to establish who is or isn't an expert on the existence of God, we have only experts on various dogmas.

I believe, believed, and will believe to the existence of God. I am a Muslim. I believe, because something inside of me is telling this.

You interpret this 'something' as confirming your conviction because you want it to. The same religious experience can result in different interpretations to different people, which is influenced by whatever socialization one has undergone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helmet

Atheists and materialists think that human is created by chance.

There are both probabilistic as well as deterministic causes to nearly everything including the origin of mankind.

But, such branches of science as paleontology, genetics, biochemistry, and molecular biology have proven that it is quite impossible for life to come about as a result of chance and to emerge by itself from natural conditions.

There is no such thing as 'proof' in science, at least not in the sense lay people understand the term 'proof'. Science instead relies on evidence. Chance and probability play a role at nearly every level of science.

Scientists have already observed the formation of self-replicating organic molecules under controlled conditions, in the lab. Conditions which are believed to be present on early earth.

http://www.livescience.com/3214-life-created-lab.html

For that reason, the complex design in just one cell clearly shows that God created life.

The complexity of even one skin cell is the result of billions of years of trial and error thus there is no reason to posit the existence of God to explain what can already be explained without invoking the supernatural.

Side: No
pkl728(28) Disputed
1 point

The creator of this debate, does not submit to any religion. I posit that no religion adequately explains reality.

I would argue that Christianity best explains reality. With the Bible you get a comprehensive historical account, a lot of it standing up to archaeological scrutiny. I've seen a lot of confirmations for the information that exists in the Bible but I don't recall seeing any refutations. Keep in mind, "There is no evidence for that" is not a refutation. I have not heard says/teachings from anyone else that are still applicable 2000+ years after they were first said. Jesus truly knew what made up human hearts and how to communicate that message.

The same religious experience can result in different interpretations to different people, which is influenced by whatever socialization one has undergone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helmet

Your link to the God Helmet is very misleading, considering Nature News of December 2004 updated the story and found that a double blind study using Persinger's experiment was not able to reproduce his results.

There are both probabilistic as well as deterministic causes to nearly everything including the origin of mankind.

Actually if you take into account the argument for fine-tuning then the probability of life springing up basically becomes 0.

Scientists have already observed the formation of self-replicating organic molecules under controlled conditions, in the lab. Conditions which are believed to be present on early earth.

Your link here is misleading as well. The article itself says that this is not life as these things do not gain novel, new functions.

The complexity of even one skin cell is the result of billions of years of trial and error thus there is no reason to posit the existence of God to explain what can already be explained without invoking the supernatural.

That is not fact, that is currently an opinion. There is still no evidence that life can spring from non-life. More importantly, one needs to explain where the complex information in DNA came from. DNA is a code that contains instructions telling the cell how to make all of its proteins.

Side: yes
1 point

you cannot see wind or gravity..but you can detect them right? well you can detect god as well...every time a baby is born..every time a plant grows..every time a human dies..every time you breathe ask your self how am i alive? if there was no god then we would not exist..how do you think you are living every day?

how do you think we were brought to this life? if you think we used to be monkeys then who created those monkeys..if you say they were small organisms then i say who made those organisms? and i can keep going forever! the answer is simple...there is a god! ;)

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
1 point

you cannot see wind or gravity

Both are measurable and testable.

well you can detect god as well

If that was true, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

how do you think we were brought to this life? if you think we used to be monkeys then who created those monkeys..if you say they were small organisms then i say who made those organisms? and i can keep going forever! the answer is simple...there is a god! ;)

Then who created God? The proposition of infinite regress is of no advantage to your argument.

if there was no god then we would not exist

Human existence can be explained without positing any sort of Deity.

Side: No
101kakashi(381) Disputed
1 point

there is only one god...he created humanity...and you ask who created god? i dont think tht is the question he is god he created us...how could the one who created us be created? the creator of all! ;) that particular question is of no advantage to your argument ;)

Side: yes
1 point

I believe that anything in the universe will exist depending on our degree of belief therefore anyone who believes in god he exists there is no possible evidence against it. Think of this as a twist of I think therefor I am. I think therefore it is.

Side: yes
1 point

This is an utterly disgraceful misinterpretation of "I think therefore I am". When Rene Descartes proposed this idea, he was speaking of whether the "self" exists. This statement is simply saying "since I am able to think, therefore I must exist. And thus, I think therefore I am."

This is by no means a way to prove that another being other than the self exists.

Side: No
1 point

Well, if you think that evolution was able to morph individual elements into life (single cell organisms, viruses, multi cell organisms, all the way to the most advanced life form of today), then I beleive you have to dig a little deeper.

Certainly evolution can take human life forms and over time selectively weed out undesireable traits, but I have a hard time believing that evolution could have caused single cell to human evolution.

Side: yes
1 point

Ok I am way too lazy to read this crap, so can I ask someone who is not lazy to sum up the best 10-15 arguments on each side and i will evaluate and correct both sides as best I can ^^.

Also to note I have no intention of ever 100% proving or disproving the existence of God, that is impossible. I believe in God because I believe that the probability of his existence is high enough to warrant belief ^_^.

Side: let's us reason
1 point

Hmm. The biggie. Well, I suppose atheism is pretty logical. However, I believe God is real - but not a person. It is some scientific entity perhaps.

Side: Yes
1 point

May be but there is not a single way know, God is more of a figure that is known for the all knowing full potental and everything as the universe is all everything all knowing all prudocts miricles and all god is the universe god is all life death alive not alive elements and light the universe is all for god is are place

Side: Yes
1 point

Well even though there is no phsyical evidence that a God exists. And even though I have previously made a statement on a similar debate about my opinion on whether Gods exist, I like to think he does because then everything doesn't seem pointless. Besides the Bible says we have to believe. You cant believe everything you see. The mind plays tricks on you. But just as well you can not not believe everything you dont. I've never seen the most top secret Government base that has no evidence of it existing but i believe it exists. Theres no hard evidence it does but I believe its there. So i like to keep my faith the he does exists just like I know that base exists. Besides whatever is on the base is powerful so if we ever were attacked, im glad its there you know.

Side: Yes

I believe God exists. I believe in evolution too. One of many reasons I believe in him is reproduction. It just seems too odd that life consists of reproduction, specially the first micro-organism. Did that tiny creature know it was going to die and had to reproduce so life can go on?

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes of course. The mere fact that you printed the word gives life to the concept. Does beauty exists? Hatred? Love? Jealousy? Why is not god an equally believable entity. Atheism is facile and childish.

Side: Yes

It is up to the beholder. If someone is a believer, then God does exist.

Side: Yes
0 points

You know all the Athiests who say that that God doesnt exist is wrong. You can think all you want that God dosent exist but when you die you will be right in front of God and He will said you said on the Internet that God doesnt exist and He will say thats me. Then you will say I believe in you right now and then Jesus will say that its too late and He will send you to hell. Thats all I am going to say its your opion whether God exist. You will regret that you said God doesnt exist.

Side: yes
imrigone(761) Disputed
4 points

Are you sure? Have you died before?

Do you actually have any arguments that aren't rooted in mindlessly rehearsing what you hear every week in church? Have you ever bothered to challenge your faith?

Side: No
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

No I havent died yet. But it says in the Bible that there is a Hell.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
1 point

If you cannot demonstrate that this even has the slightest possibility of being true, then why should I be afraid? I love when people threaten me with fiction...

Side: No
-1 points

@Bohemian In the Divine Revelation of Hell Jesus spoke to the person that He said my Word is true. I also have another question for you you said that everything in the Bible is wrong well I guess when Jesus is going to take his people away from this earth and leave the nonbelivers on this earth called the Rapture isnt true? And if the Bible wasnt true then there would be no earth and no humans and no God if the Bible wasnt true. And I guess when Jesus comes back on this earth to put his kingdom down its not true? All of these things will happen there is even signs happpening that its getting close to His coming.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
4 points

@Bohemian In the Divine Revelation of Hell Jesus spoke to the person that He said my Word is true.

Divine revelation can only be considered true by the person receiving it, to everyone else it is hearsay. Because we were not there to see it, and because there is no evidence of it having ever occurred, we cannot be certain it is true. The more fantastical the event, the less likely it is true. In my experience, if someone is telling you of some amazing event that only they saw, there is a very good chance they are making it up or exaggerating.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I also have another question for you you said that everything in the Bible is wrong

I didn't say everything in the bible was wrong. Even a broken clock is right two times a day. I conceded that many of the places and some of the people in the Bible were real. I contend that all of the supernatural/magical aspects of the bible are false, if not complete misrepresentations of normal events.

when Jesus is going to take his people away from this earth and leave the nonbelivers on this earth called the Rapture isnt true? And I guess when Jesus comes back on this earth to put his kingdom down its not true?

If the rapture was/isn't true then the above described events wouldn't occur. You're essentially asking me if you're right, would you be wrong...this is a nonsense question.

All of these things will happen there is even signs happpening that its getting close to His coming.

People have been saying that we are "seeing the signs, we must be close" for over a thousand years. Everybody thinks End Times is going to occur in their lifetime, just like 80% of people think they are above average drivers. It's ego.

Side: No
-1 points

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Side: Yes
7 points

I hate to sound like a one-debate-topic-pony, but I must admit that the relative dearth of religious debates lately may have played a secondary contributing factor to my lower activity on this site. So I guess I must respond :)

My answer- unknown

The two best methodologies for objective inquiry I know of are science and logic. Modern naturalistic science has rules about accepting unfalsifiable claims and the supernatural as answers to inquiry. This is simply due to the fact that method cannot be used to verify such claims.

Logic? Well both sides have long presented logical attempts to verify their claims, but when we are talking about an all-everything being who is above and beyond every rule of the universe, it is difficult to ascertain if our understanding of logic is complete or accurate enough to make strong claims about such a being

Side: unknown
2 points

Why was this down-voted I wonder?

Side: No
3 points

This appears to be our friend's M.O. I don't think srom actually cares for debate...

Side: No

I agree that it is logically difficult to prove a negative, but there are many facets of evidence that dispute the existence of god. Just because someone came up with the Flying Spaghetti Monster and it is hard to prove a negative, doesn't mean FSM exists.

You can look at the origins of the idea. Probably no one believes in the early gods man came up with. We take for granted that man has made up thousands of false gods for thousands of years.

You can look at the beliefs themselves. Man has used gods to enforce order and morality and to explain unknown phenomenon - lightning, asteroids, comets, earthquakes, volcanoes, sickness, childbirth, etc. As humans have learned the truth behind these phenomena, the scope of god has always been diminished until we are now left with a near powerless god existing basically to kick off the big bang.

You can look at the material itself for contradictions. Not only does the bible contradict all science, right down to the speed of light and answers only by saying god doesn't care about physics; It also contradicts itself on what would seem to be important issues: the order of creation, Jesus' grandfather, Jesus' last words, etc.

Side: No
3 points

Given the following:

-There is no evidence for the existence of God.

-There is no evidence against the existence of God.

Due to the fact that there are an infinite number of false premises, and only a limited number of true premises, it is better to err on the side of skepticism. This is why the burden of proof rests on the believers. Until such time this burden of proof is satisfied, the logical position is the position of skepticism.

I cannot say with absolute certainty that God does not exist, but I will live my life as if that were the case until proven otherwise.

Side: No
Spoonerism(831) Disputed
4 points

I cannot say with absolute certainty that God does not exist, but I will live my life as if that were the case until proven otherwise.

I cannot say with absolute certainty that God exists, but I will live my life as if that were the case until proven otherwise.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
2 points

I cannot say with absolute certainty that God exists, but I will live my life as if that were the case until proven otherwise.

Why? I gave a reason for why I came to my conclusion. What is your reason?

Side: No
Srom(12206) Disputed
2 points

I have a question for you can you see the wind or gravity

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
6 points

Is visual observation the only form of evidence? Can we measure wind and gravity? Can we test it? Can we produce repeatable effects?

Side: No
2 points

did he say he has to see God? he said there is no evidence for - can you say the same for wind or gravity?

Side: No
1 point

I have a question for you can you see the wind or gravity

No, but it is possible to perceive the effects of both.

One can feel and hear the passing of the wind, and occasionally smell any odours it may carry. It is also possible to see the effects of wind on treetops, flags and all manner of flexible bodies.

One may actually observe gravity, or rather, observe its effects, with eminent facility. If one were to grasp a small object, suspend it above the floor, and release it, an acceleration of ~9.8 metres per second squared would be observed.

Side: No
Logicalend2e(36) Disputed
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Yes we can easily see wind and gravity, sir. Isac Newton showed us the way, as far as gravity is concerned. The wind is measured by any simple device that fluctuates when air is applied upon it, weather vain, balloon, streamer.

Can you see farther then 1,000 feet, yes as long as you use a telescope, which is only focused photons/light. This isn't an argument for the belief in God.

Side: No
gcomeau(536) Disputed
1 point

You can DETECT the wind and gravity, and there is overwhelmingly conclusive evidence for both. Trying to pretend like that's not the case based on lack of direct visual observation of the forces themselves is ridiculous.

(Also, ever seen a tornado?)

Side: No
2 points

Wow, this was up to 6 points at one time. Down-voting it without a rebuttal surely refutes it.

Side: No
woteverrrrr(6) Disputed
1 point

Problem is, us believers don't feel a need to try to prove the existence of god to you. We'll let you do that or not do that for yourself. Funny how that is....even though non believers DO want to try to dis-prove it so much. LOL

Side: Yes
BenWalters(1513) Disputed
1 point

Problem is, us believers don't feel a need to try to prove the existence of god to you.

Really, you don't think that any theists in the world try to convert people to their religion? You are massively out of touch with almost every religion in the world.

Funny how that is....even though non believers DO want to try to dis-prove it so much. LOL

Actually, few atheists are actively trying to disprove God, as it's already happened (assuming you're talking about the Jeudo-Christianic God). The Problem of Evil proves that God cannot exist in the form that Christians claim him to be, among with other arguments.

Side: No
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
1 point

Problem is, us believers don't feel a need to try to prove the existence of god to you.

Then please explain the purpose of apologetics.

Side: No
3 points

I come from a family of Christians, and I go to catholic school and I am still Atheist. I have never prayed because i don't believe God exists. At my school, we are taught that God is omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient. Surely, if he was real and omnipotent, he would use his power to overcome all the evil in the world. Surely, if he was real and omnibenevolent, he would insure the world was always as good as him. Surely, if he was real and omniscient, he would have been able to stop all this evil. A 'God' wouldn't allow people to suffer. I don't believe that god exists purely because science can explain most things, and in the future as science matures, there will be no room for God. At school, we seem to be expected to believe in something that we can't see. My friends talk about unanswered prayers and this only makes me more and more sure he doesn't exist. I respect that my friends at school are catholic and have the right to believe in God. They are aware that I don't believe in God, and never try to force me to believe in God. There is never any tension because in this society, I think people are becoming aware that this argument will always be a controversial one. No one can prove an answer so everyone should learn to respect each others views.

Side: No

Why won't God heal amputees?

Just proved he's not real in a sentence.

Side: No
101kakashi(381) Disputed
2 points

if god didn't exist...who do you think created us? do you think that humans were monkeys that evolved as well? well then if you do..then who created those monkeys?...if you say small organisms i'll say who created those organisms?..and so will we continue arguing.. you say why won't god heal amputees..ill say no one knows but if you that this is the reason you believe god does not exist...i'll have to say you have no reason at all...no proof..no evidence..but here is a thing...ever thought maybe..just maybe...why aren't you an amputee? huh? how come you are safe? how come do you wake up everyday breathing? how come are you capable of walking without dying in an instant...are you an amputee cause if you are then how come lots of others aren't? amputees are amputees for a reason...a reason only god knows...everything happens for a reason! and god does not leave anyone oppressed..they might be amputees but don't think they are oppressed...;) anyway take care fellow friend...:)

Side: yes
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I don't think you understand. I'm simply curious, why do cancer victims get response to prayer and amputees don't? Because scientifically, amputees CANNOT regenerate limbs, not because god hates them. Your logic is so flawed and childlike I'm genuinely becoming depressed because you really show how mentally RETARDED a human can be.

Let me ask you this: What religion do you think you would practice if your were born in India? In Denmark in 1500? Exactly, your religion depends STRICTLY on where you were brought up.

Side: No
2 points

It is not percievable with the human senses to tell whether or not he exists.

So for the sake of taking a side, despite my nuetrality, I'm going to say no.

Every religion has sprouted from human imagination. All holy books were originally written by men and all prophets were imperfect men themselves.

I support people believing what they want, but to take the idea that there is an old muscular man in the sky with a beard who is older then the universe and who guides us all is... well, it sounds like a fairy tale, to be honest.

Side: No

WOW, what a original debate?

When are the God exists debates going to end? There has been numerous.

Pick one and give your opinion.

There are 8 to 10 of these.

Side: No
4 points

When are the God exists debates going to end?

When the world ends.

Side: No
2 points

I know a posted this as a support to someones reply opposite a minute ago but I'd like to share it here too.

Believe in the Bible all you want. But don't for a minute think you know everything or that nothing else is possible other than what is written in scripture. Don't impose your beliefs on others.Answer questions when asked. But don't tell everyone they're going to hell. Jesus didn't walk around pointing at people, going "You're going to hell, you're going to hell, you're going to hell... you're cool... and you're going to hell". So why do a lot of Christians do that? What the hell to do they think can be gained by condemning

other people? It's certainly not going to make me want to listen to your beliefs, let alone accept them. All it breeds is hatred and negativity. And if telling someone about hell gets them to convert, then they're converting for all the wrong reasons, and they are spiritually dead anyway.

The heaven and hell concept breeds self-righteousness and arrogance (I'm going to heaven and you're not). It also leads to badgering and hurting other people (You're going to hell). Shouldn't following the path of Jesus and having faith change your life for the better now, on earth? Shouldn't it fill you with joy and love and acceptance so that you can be a good person? That should be reward enough in itself. Yet there are

so many Christians who are hypocritical and treat others like dirt! But I guess it doesn't matter how horrible they are to people on earth, because they're saved and going to heaven. And then if you don't believe in Jesus (whether or not you're the most loving, self-sacrificing person on the planet) you're going to burn in hell for all eternity. What kind of cosmic justice is that? If God is going to rule his universe like that, then

I'd rather be an atheist (I'm not an atheist, but you get my point)

Side: No
Srom(12206) Disputed
3 points

1. The Christian job is to save souls and change peoples lives

2. Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven

3.The reason why we say your going to hell is because since you didnt accecpt him and you say there is no such thing as God.

4. Satan is telling you that there is no God

5.I will pray for you so you can accecpt the truth about God.

6. If you rather be a athiest then rather serve the Christian God then go ahead I am done with this debate and everyone else athiests like you brain wash people into thinking that there is no God

7. If you dont change you ways you are going to be in a place of suffering that is hell for all eternity and you dont want to be in there it is horrifying and once people like you go to hell you will be screaming and saying I believe in God and then Jesus will say its too late because you decided that there is no God and now you had one chance and your chance was up. So if i were you i would start thinking about the descion you are making!

Side: unknown