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The MSM Has Become Dangerously Anti-China
While Russia gets most of the attention on the news when it comes to our perceived enemies, China and Iran come in at a close second and third. Every day, I see more and more headlines condemning China for this and that. I say it's nonsense.
Take Hong Kong. I will not speak to the legitimacy of the motivation for protest, for it seems rather nebulous just what they wish to achieve. There are reports of people being killed in protests in Chile by security forces, as well as hundreds of deaths total in protests in Iraq; Bolivian protests have seen 32 deaths total, according to Wikipedia, while three protesters and three security forces have been killed in protests in Iran. Hong Kong's been going on for almost half a year, and the police have yet to kill anybody (though there may be something fishy about the boy who fell from the third floor during a police operation). The protesters have been quite violent and incredibly destructive, yet watching the videos of the police encounters on BBC is almost startling in the restraint the security forces have shown. Most American media I've read or watched that mentioned the pro-Chinese man being set on fire by protesters merely glossed over it.
Why does Hong Kong get orders of magnitude more coverage than the far more violent incidents in other nations, with no opportunity let by to condemn China in the strongest of terms, while the coverage of the other incidents is generally more fact-based, cold, disinterested?
Whether or not one supports China, which I don't imagine many people on here do, surely one can see, given America's shoddy record in the last few decades of war, that it is in nobody's interest to magnify and exaggerate the threat posed by China.
China is one of the safest countries in the world, with a homicide rate of 0.62 per 100,000 people according to the UN numbers for 2016. America's rate was 5.35.
China has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of extreme poverty in the last few years and plans on eliminating extreme poverty entirely by the early 2020s.
America has as many surveillance cameras as China, despite having a billion fewer people. This to preempt accusations that they're a surveillance state (which they probably are, but it should be seen in a comparative perspective lest we judge more harshly than is warranted).
The Western world is content with their fantasies that China is nothing but a hellish totalitarian dystopia. But is it true? We only hear the bad stories. When every single action is viewed through a lens of bigotry, fear, and with an expectation of utter inhumanity, then we are prone to taking moderately negative or even neutral developments as the pinnacle of evil.
No. Says every single person concerned with civil rights and privacy in the world. The only nation worse than China in that regard is certainly their puppet state of North Korea. Third place is probably Iran.
No. Says every single person concerned with civil rights and privacy in the world. The only nation worse than China in that regard is certainly their puppet state of North Korea.
As per usual you couldn't be more wrong. According to the United Nations, which is the international body responsible for collecting data about civil rights, Israel is the single worst violator on the planet.
You, on the other hand, simply make up reality as you go along to suit whichever personal/political bias you happen to have on any particular issue.
The official representation that Palestine gets to the UN is Hamas. I somehow don't think that that their ambassador's biased version of events is ever going to end up with less accusations to Israel than the very oppressed and censored Chinese news and ambassador can ever let out or expose about the Chinese government.
The official representation that Palestine gets to the UN is Hamas
And the official representation Israel has is a man who has just been charged with three counts of corruption, who has the worst human rights record in UN history, who has been caught telling barefaced lies on numerous different occasions, and who the UN has tried several times to investigate on suspicion of war crimes.
Israel's appalling human rights record is not the fault of the victims. Nor is it the fault of Hamas. It is the fault of Israel.
Your double standards are nothing short of goddamned extraordinary. You are perfectly prepared to condemn China for its human rights record, but you have the precise opposite reaction when Israel's human rights record is on the table. Congratulations on firing a nuclear torpedo into your own credibility.
Actually he is not the UN ambassador of Israel but I am curious what exactly you think Hamas would get in terms of indictment and corruption charges if the terrorist Mafia in charge of Palestine who force it to be part of Israel while masquerading as liberarionists was exposed to the world and held up to justice ('liberationists' as if the Iranian government who would take over would be anywhere near liberal to the people).
Until China has better human rights, they deserve their reputation. I'm not saying they are the worst nation on Earth. I'm saying they are a dictatorship denying human rights.
Would you disagree that their anti-terrorism policies, if they are as you describe, seem significantly more human-friendly than America's? They may deprive people of their rights, which is not a good thing, but America's deprives people of their lives, many thousands of people, many completely innocent. Additionally, the destruction of infrastructure in places like Iraq and Afghanistan severely punishes so much of the population, the vast majority of whom are innocent. Contrarily, China is working to economically develop Xinjiang.
You call people who house and protect Terrorists as being innocent?
Terrorists are cowards who hide behind their women and children skirts!
Democrats had no stomach to go into the areas these butchers hide, so the terror went on and on and on. Do you know how the people in these communities were treated by the Terrorists? You make it sound like they had good lives.
Trump took them out, and I'm sure there were some innocent casualties. That is war!
Guess what, much fewer terrorist bombings, TAKING INNOCENT LIVES, are happening today thanks to Trump who had the intellect to do the hard things for the greater good.
People like you would allow dictatorships to go on for centuries out of fear that some innocent people might die when stopping the evil dictators.
Bleeding heart has proven to allow evil to grow, not the other way around.
Why don't you go and live in China, see what the human rights, animal rights and environment protection is like there? Then come back and tell me you want to defend it in any shape of form.
I'm glad somebody is able to see that there's a difference between defending a country's human rights abuses and saying that our extreme hostility towards that country should be tempered by considerations of the planet-destroying consequences of that hostility getting out of hand.
Such extreme hostility. Nobody seems capable of understanding the nuance of this debate. I don't give a fuck what China's like. I'm concerned about the media trying to start a war with China, a war which cannot be won.
China has geniuses of war strategy, I do not deny that. That has nothing to do with whether or not they are a moral and decent nation.
There's no such thing as a decent or non-decent nation. A nation is an abstract concept which in reality is comprised of many millions of different people, all with very different personality traits and beliefs. You can't lump everybody in China together and say they are bad simply because they are Chinese. That's racism 101.
You curse regularly, you very recently had 12 or so topics deleted due to how insanely vulgar and gory you go with your abuse. Wouldn't sit on a high horse of politeness or etiquette if I were you.
As for the accuracy, I will repeat but in more blatant terms so someone of your IQ can cope:
How can I be racist to the Chinese for being horrified at what is done to them by their government?
I'm saying it's idiotic to be demonizing China as rabidly as we are.
The hyper-capitalism of the United States doesn't work unless there is an enemy to distract people away from the fact they are little more than slaves. Either a slave to the clock or a slave to the dollar.
The Little David'' which is Hong Kong is fighting for its freedom from the big bad Goliath as represented by the repressive, totalitarian state of the Republic of China.
Your post sounds suspiciously like a subtle form of fake news as the aspirations of the Hong Kong protesters is common knowledge throughout the world and has been for months. The people of Hong Kong enjoyed all the freedoms and benefits of Democracy which we in the west take for granted, ( like making this point openly and without fear of a knock on the door) and they want a return to that form of government.
China's communist regime has an ambitious expansionist agenda which was only curtailed by the robust stand adopted by President Trump.
China's appropriation of territories which hitherto were sovereign states such as Tibet and the seizure of vessels which were in international waters but claimed by China have made their neighbours such as Japan, South Korea and The Philippines very nervous and has seen these nations increasing their defense capabilities.
The threats to the freedoms enjoyed by the Democratic nations of the Free World are under definite threat mainly from Russia, China.
Which of these despotic regimes represents the greater danger to our way of life is, at this point, difficult to call.
At first they said they want the extradition bill to be tossed. That happened. They weren't happy.
Wikipedia has a list of five other demands they've made. I've watched a lot of videos from various news sources - none Chinese, other than SCMP - and the thing that seems to be uniting them is a common sense of frustration against China. How can that end? Have China step back and give Hong Kong independence? What do they actually want to see? I've read dozens of articles and watched many hours of video, but I'm not entirely clear what solid aims they have other than to voice their discontent as much as possible.
I hear so many anti-China people calling China "expansionist". What justification do you have for that? It is strutted about as if it is just plain obvious, everybody wants to conquer the world. That seems to me to be a very Western mentality, one which I've not seen reflected in any of the Chinese history or literature I've read.
But at the end of the day, discussing whether or not China is worthy of condemnation is not what I'm interested in here. My issue is whether or not it is wise to continue provoking one of the most powerful countries on earth with a never-ending onslaught of extremely one-sided claims, some false, some true, seemingly designed to create popular hostility against them to the point where war could easily become palatable to the broader public. This especially given that America can't even win a war against Afghanistan or Iraq, small, powerless third-world countries.
You're selfishly expecting the Hong Kong people to accept a life of standard communist repression and state control over their lives and the lives of all future generations.
These people have experienced the freedom which is an integral part of a democratic society and they're struggling, ( in vain I fear ) to retain their lost way of life.
If you do not know of China's expansionism then you must have been living on the moon, or maybe even Pluto for the past 30 years or more.
It is a congenital characteristic of the human psyche' to be free to follow their heart and pursue their dreams.
It was this free spirit that spawned the pioneers and entrepreneurs that made America the greatest nation on earth.
People the world over will always strive for freedom of political and religion expression and it is wholly wrong of you to expect people to lie down and roll over so their masters can stamp their Jack-Boot on their throats.
If you do not know of China's expansionism then you must have been living on the moon, or maybe even Pluto for the past 30 years or more.
China's alleged expansionism involves asserting its power over lands and waters it traditionally claimed but which it lost during the period of Colonialist vandalism referred to by the Chinese as the Century of Humiliation following the Chinese loss in the Opium War. But I wouldn't call that expansionism, which implies a movement beyond oneself rather than a reclaiming of oneself.
You'd be better off citing One Belt, One Road. But still that would be a very uncharitable interpretation, precisely what one would be expected not to be able to see beyond following a lifetime of vicious propaganda. I say phooey:
America and Europe have spent centuries exploiting the developing world, holding them down and interfering in their internal affairs whenever they feel like it. China comes by and offers them the resources to build themselves up, to follow China's example, quite frankly, and hopefully rise out of the poverty which is a consequence of the centuries of neglect and resultant lack of infrastructure.
It is a congenital characteristic of the human psyche' to be free to follow their heart and pursue their dreams.
Thought-terminating cliche.
It was this free spirit that spawned the pioneers and entrepreneurs that made America the greatest nation on earth.
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
Thought-terminating cliche.
Rank nonsense.
People the world over will always strive for freedom of political and religion expression and it is wholly wrong of you to expect people to lie down and roll over so their masters can stamp their Jack-Boot on their throats.
At no point did I expect that. Are you daft? My argument is not that Hong Kong should surrender, I've made absolutely no comment whatsoever on the legitimacy of the protests. What I have argued is that the MSM is far too harsh on China, seemingly working to effectively, if not by intent, turn the American populace in favor of going onto the path of war with China. Is there a person on CD who thinks war with China would not mean the end of the human race?
The Hong Kong Issue
Why does every attempt at a discussion about the MSM anti-China propaganda machine turn into a discussion about the merits of Hong Kong? They've been in the streets for months and China has still not "cracked down", despite claims of a crack down for months in the media. It's still going on, growing more and more violent by the protesters, while the police keep firing tear gas and ink and a grand total of 11 bullets (as of Oct 31, see here.) This contrasts quite significantly with the many deaths reported in other protests currently active (see this report from Washington Post). And even though the one death immediately attributable to anybody was a "murder" (as the Chinese reportedly identified it) committed by protesters, they are still shown in the most sympathetic of lights.
I think China is our biggest existential threat, more so than Russia. China threatens not only on the military front, but they also are becoming an economic juggernaut that has prospered at our expense via corporate espionage and stealing our technology and ignoring patents.
Yeah, your unhinged hate is boring. I've noticed that loonies on the far right tend to be very brave on the internet. Not so much in real life. Not unless you count walking into schools and shooting kids. Jog along now, my infantile little friend.
So says the brave one, hiding behind your computer in mommy's basement. Just make sure you clean up your room as per mommy's request before watching cartoons.
So says the brave one, hiding behind your computer in mommy's basement.
My mommy doesn't have a basement and, even if she did, I would still be living over 400 miles away from it. Please spare me your childishly generic far right comments about "mommy's basement" and "snowflakes". You say the exact same things to everybody who has a problem with you being a moron. Is it my fault that I have a problem with you being a moron? Or is it your fault that you are a moron? I would be willing to debate the issue with you if you can illustrate that you are capable of something other than lazy smear campaigns and erroneous language.
Me thinks thou dost project your moronic behavior too much. You have a habit of exuding nastiness with every post. Is it any wonder why you get some of it back? Cause and effect, sonny boy. Because you're a moron, I effectively don't have to prove your moronicness; you do it for me.
Although they're still up to their tricks the game is up for China on the industrial espionage front.
President Trump has 'called time on the ridiculous negative imbalance of trade with China and this has had an impact on the hitherto seemingly unstoppable upward trend of their economic performance.
In this trade war the U.S., economy will suffer a little in the short term but it will be China which will bear the greater economic agony both short and long term.
In this trade war the U.S., economy will suffer a little in the short term but it will be China which will bear the greater economic agony both short and long term.
You are delusional. It's amazing to actually meet people who think America is going to remain the strongest economic force on Earth forever. I'm tempted to inquire how you rectify that viewpoint with the facts of history, but I'm fairly confident you either ignore history or make up your own version of it anyway.
Your argument is wholly flawed as it is no more than a blustering of hysterical anti-American emotional rhetoric.
Why not just have the courage of your conviction and openly express your blanket, deep seated hatred for the United States of America and all things American.
That would save a lot of time wasting making embarrassingly silly remarks.
If the Yanks discovered a sure fired cure for all forms of cancer and announced they were going to distribute the drug worldwide free of charge YOU WOULD FIND SOME WAY TO CONDEMN SUCH AN ACT OF HUMANITY.
War is a time honored tradition going back thousands of years. If 2 groups can't find common ground, then they duke it out. Winner takes all. Why change now? ;)
